It seems obvious to me and many others that there is an orchestrated campaign to destroy the president.

It is not based on reason. It mocks the idea of compassion. It will bully and abuse and prides itself for doing so.

Aided by our corrosive and toxic media, every action the president takes has vile criticism thrown at it even, most recently, his planned speech to school children -- a campaign condemning this warns of the president spreading his socialist ideas and urges parents to keep their kids home from school.

Facts don't matter. There is no intention to "be nice," or be fair. It's the classic Republican politics of personal destruction.

We just have to remember to keep defeating t...

It seems obvious to me and many others that there is an orchestrated campaign to destroy the president.

It is not based on reason. It mocks the idea of compassion. It will bully and abuse and prides itself for doing so.

Aided by our corrosive and toxic media, every action the president takes has vile criticism thrown at it even, most recently, his planned speech to school children -- a campaign condemning this warns of the president spreading his socialist ideas and urges parents to keep their kids home from school.

Facts don't matter. There is no intention to "be nice," or be fair. It's the classic Republican politics of personal destruction.

We just have to remember to keep defeating this vile political party, the warmongering, corrupt capitalist cronies, the Republicans need to be driven into extinction -- then, maybe it will be a point that future politicians will remember - you can't rule fueled on hate, fear and lies.

Liberals, progressives or whatever who oppose this must be strong, get stronger and we need to stand up and -- if threatened with being shouted down -- Shout Back!

Shout back if someone attempts to shout you down. "Post" ideas that refute this growing vile behavior.

Pure racism, many see, certainly is adding fuel to the fire and the warmongering politicians and toxic media feeds it with attention. There ARE skin-color hating racist and a black (half-black), Afro-American president is too much for them to tolerate --- too bad. It will take 'em time to adjust.

Corporations and their bosses also want to keep their excessive profits. Once big bosses would make 40-50 times more than the workers; now they make 400-500 times more than the workers.

The USA now has the greatest income-disparity in the world.

We are also involved in the most wars in the world, made easier by no longer obeying our own Constitution and following it's procedures for declaring wars. And, we know, starting wars with deliberate lies.

We got a lot of correcting to do

All I see is that both sides are doing it and the left is quite organized in doing so. The guy in that video seems to think the media belongs to just their side and not to everyone.

I don't mind it when the people are shouting down the politicians. The politicians get to do the talking all the time. The town hall meetings should be for the people to speak out about their concerns and the politicians to listen to those who hired them. But when it comes to other people speaking, you can be a bit vocal if you don't agree just like you can make yourself heard if you do agree without cutting off the person's right to be heard. If someone starts filibustering it's one thing, but everyone on both ...

All I see is that both sides are doing it and the left is quite organized in doing so. The guy in that video seems to think the media belongs to just their side and not to everyone.

I don't mind it when the people are shouting down the politicians. The politicians get to do the talking all the time. The town hall meetings should be for the people to speak out about their concerns and the politicians to listen to those who hired them. But when it comes to other people speaking, you can be a bit vocal if you don't agree just like you can make yourself heard if you do agree without cutting off the person's right to be heard. If someone starts filibustering it's one thing, but everyone on both sides should be allowed to speak and people should actually listen to those concerns instead of instantly dismissing them.

I was in a wheelchair for 9 mos. This in the early '70s. There were no special parking spaces, sloped curbs, ramps to access any public (libraries, courthouses, etc.)or private shops, cafes and so on. If you didn't bring your own assistant with you, you were screwed!
There was no one that cared enough or had enough compassion in them to help. In fact, I'd venture to say that people actually looked frightened, if it looked like I may want to say something to them. It was our wonderful Vets, that made people look at a problem they didn't want to see. In fact even now in 2009...some curbs are just now being converted to accommodate motorized and non-motorized chairs. Even though bicyclers thin...

I was in a wheelchair for 9 mos. This in the early '70s. There were no special parking spaces, sloped curbs, ramps to access any public (libraries, courthouses, etc.)or private shops, cafes and so on. If you didn't bring your own assistant with you, you were screwed!
There was no one that cared enough or had enough compassion in them to help. In fact, I'd venture to say that people actually looked frightened, if it looked like I may want to say something to them. It was our wonderful Vets, that made people look at a problem they didn't want to see. In fact even now in 2009...some curbs are just now being converted to accommodate motorized and non-motorized chairs. Even though bicyclers think that those curbs are for them, even though they got their bike lanes decades before any thought of the handicappers problems came into view.
To get to the point, people in this country don't give a damn about anyone else. They are selfish, insecure and rude!! To expect more is an exercise in futility. As John Lennon put it "I be mine, I me mine, I me mine".

I suspect that the YouTube video is edited to distort the intention of the HCAN organizer (as in beginning of the conversation edited out). He is instructing people on how to respond to those who disrupt the meeting. Simply, if you are in the same area in which disruption occurs, stand up and chant. Hopefully, the person or persons will give up and sit down so that the the meeting can continue in a civil manner.

If you want to know what HCAN is doing, just read their memo (pdf link)
Responding to Right-Wing Attacks in the Field - August 4, 2009.. The memo is a reasonable response and action plan for dealing with right-wing...

I suspect that the YouTube video is edited to distort the intention of the HCAN organizer (as in beginning of the conversation edited out). He is instructing people on how to respond to those who disrupt the meeting. Simply, if you are in the same area in which disruption occurs, stand up and chant. Hopefully, the person or persons will give up and sit down so that the the meeting can continue in a civil manner.

If you want to know what HCAN is doing, just read their memo (pdf link)
Responding to Right-Wing Attacks in the Field - August 4, 2009.. The memo is a reasonable response and action plan for dealing with right-wing extremists who work at the behest of health care industry lobbyists and related. Ya know, the ones who started all this shite in the first place.

I've have attended and helped organize public meetings. All were civil. All points of view were heard and respected. What is going on now is bizarre.

Did anyone read the video comments at YouTube?. Democracy is socialism? It's time for the US to breakup? Wow. I didn't know we were dating.

2sooners

In your clip you show a rational means of protest. He even stated "be respectable"

He said be respectful as you shout the person down nonstop until they get so frustrated they quit trying to speak. Is it even possible to be respectful while you shout someone down? Is this a method that meets with your approval? You think it is okay to shout someone down at a town hall meeting as long as you are 'respectful?'

So what you are saying is. You are the only ones who can act like fools. The left should bow down and be quite. We wont do that anymore. Were tired of your loudmouth shit. And we are not going to take it anymore. And this next e...

2sooners

In your clip you show a rational means of protest. He even stated "be respectable"

He said be respectful as you shout the person down nonstop until they get so frustrated they quit trying to speak. Is it even possible to be respectful while you shout someone down? Is this a method that meets with your approval? You think it is okay to shout someone down at a town hall meeting as long as you are 'respectful?'

So what you are saying is. You are the only ones who can act like fools. The left should bow down and be quite. We wont do that anymore. Were tired of your loudmouth shit. And we are not going to take it anymore. And this next election we are going to vote more progressive Democrats in. And hopefully they will take some seats from Republicans.

I suspect that the YouTube video is edited to distort the intention of the HCAN organizer

In what context could someone telling someone else to shout people down who stand up to ask questions (his words) until they get so frustrated they take their cookies and .... (couldn't quite hear that part)? Is there any time in your view where it is okay to shout someone down who is asking a question at a town hall meeting? Go watch it again. Look at exactly what he is saying. He wants to frustrate people who dare to ask questions at a town hall meeting.

So what you are saying is. You are the only ones who can act like fools. The left should bow down and be quite. We wont do th...

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I suspect that the YouTube video is edited to distort the intention of the HCAN organizer

In what context could someone telling someone else to shout people down who stand up to ask questions (his words) until they get so frustrated they take their cookies and .... (couldn't quite hear that part)? Is there any time in your view where it is okay to shout someone down who is asking a question at a town hall meeting? Go watch it again. Look at exactly what he is saying. He wants to frustrate people who dare to ask questions at a town hall meeting.

So what you are saying is. You are the only ones who can act like fools. The left should bow down and be quite. We wont do that anymore. Were tired of your loudmouth shit. And we are not going to take it anymore. And this next election we are going to vote more progressive Democrats in. And hopefully they will take some seats from Republicans.

I'm not saying anyone should act like fools. It is those here on the left trying to condone their own foolish actions while at the same time condemning it when the right does it. Can't have it both ways, and if you read what I said instead of what you wish I had said you would know that.

And secondly, who has been screaming down who for years and years? The left has been using these methods against conservatives for many years. And they even go so far as to use physical force and violence to shut up conservatives.

n2sooners - I stand by my opinion. If I thought that the HCAN organizer was encouraging people to disrupt meetings I would call bullshit. I have no vested interest in covering for this guy: the left are not angels, the right are not devils and I'm not trying to have it both ways. After carefully watching and listening I wanted to understand the strategy which is why I did further research. In the video, pay attention to the entire scene, which looks to me like a conversation in progress. We don't see the beginning. We don't see the organizer walking up and starting the conversation or the people stopping the organizer to ask him a question. And that is what made me suspicious of the video....

n2sooners - I stand by my opinion. If I thought that the HCAN organizer was encouraging people to disrupt meetings I would call bullshit. I have no vested interest in covering for this guy: the left are not angels, the right are not devils and I'm not trying to have it both ways. After carefully watching and listening I wanted to understand the strategy which is why I did further research. In the video, pay attention to the entire scene, which looks to me like a conversation in progress. We don't see the beginning. We don't see the organizer walking up and starting the conversation or the people stopping the organizer to ask him a question. And that is what made me suspicious of the video. Either the very beginning of the conversation was edited-out to manipulate public opinion or the person recording the video was not in position to capture the beginning of the conversation. Either way the result possibly misrepresents what actually occurred and distorts the intent of the organizer.

Watch the video. Read the memo.

willhelm

So far all killings have been perpetrated by right wing nutjobs.

Um, which ones are those?

Scott Roeder, the man being held in custody for the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller, was a member of the anti-government group, the Montana Freemen, according to an interview his father granted to the Topeka Capital-Journal after the arrest.

And on Wednesday, Stephen Tyrone Johns, who worked as a guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., died after James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist and military veteran, reportedly opened fire. Police are questioning von Brunn, and his motivations are yet unclear. But on his Web ...

willhelm

So far all killings have been perpetrated by right wing nutjobs.

Um, which ones are those?

Scott Roeder, the man being held in custody for the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller, was a member of the anti-government group, the Montana Freemen, according to an interview his father granted to the Topeka Capital-Journal after the arrest.

And on Wednesday, Stephen Tyrone Johns, who worked as a guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., died after James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist and military veteran, reportedly opened fire. Police are questioning von Brunn, and his motivations are yet unclear. But on his Web site, van Brunn touts a book he wrote as "a new hard hitting expose of the JEW CONSPIRACY to destroy the White gene-pool."


And you dmoonme1.

What is this?
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/8E369809-57CE-47B3-832F-705C571CC03B/

You are just a pure racist troll. And you have no brain in your little peanut head.

We wont do that anymore. Were tired of your loudmouth shit. And we are
not going to take it anymore. And this next election we are going to
vote more progressive Democrats in. And hopefully they will take some
seats from Republicans.

Exactly. In general, liberals, "leftist," progressives or whatever tend to be more "nice," and respectful -- but it's good they realize they can not be bullied or shouted down by thugs.

It just caught some of us by surprise, starting this the thug mob protest by paid Republican agitators during the 2000 elections.

Once we became aware of that, and suffered through eight nightmare years on the road to deeper and deeper fascism, many realize the...

We wont do that anymore. Were tired of your loudmouth shit. And we are
not going to take it anymore. And this next election we are going to
vote more progressive Democrats in. And hopefully they will take some
seats from Republicans.

Exactly. In general, liberals, "leftist," progressives or whatever tend to be more "nice," and respectful -- but it's good they realize they can not be bullied or shouted down by thugs.

It just caught some of us by surprise, starting this the thug mob protest by paid Republican agitators during the 2000 elections.

Once we became aware of that, and suffered through eight nightmare years on the road to deeper and deeper fascism, many realize the truth of the quote, above.

Although I can't ID the politics of the killers, I know the names of those who get killed in American politics: John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King....and I'd even add John Lennon to that list since he was directly active in the anti-Vietnam War movement, haunted by the FBI for that.

But -- like most bullies I've encountered -- they are cowards when confronted. They like to whip people who don't fight back and when they realize they are the one who might get hurt, they retreat, looking for more passive victims.

Being nice is nice. But if living in a terrible time where people like Nazi's have seized the government and beating up and killing all opposition, then the name of the game has changed.

Not all Germans were Nazi's....but great evil happens when such thugs are allowed to dominate. You get war based on deliberate lies, secret prisons, torture and killing of POW's, investigation into private citizen's lives, violations of the Constitution, etc. -- all stuff noted in the Bush Era.

That nightmare was overwhelming defeated by a democratic vote and next elections and the elections after that, that democratic vote will be stronger, once again, and the warmongers and racist, neo-cons and blind uncritical zionist extremist will be defea

dmoonme1

You say that I insult you. This is what you said to me.

dmoonme1

One should not use ultimate adjectives when trying to make a valid point. i.e."all killings...".

And if you can't remember the protests from empirical knowledge, as I do, then get a history book and look at all of those timely pictures of rioting, looting, marching (peaceful & violent) then try to defend your idiotic statements.

Egads man! What is that thing on top of your shoulders for, anyway?

Do you really think Erik does not see who the trolls are?
All you have to do is click on a persons comments to get a clear picture of who they are.
And you are far ...

dmoonme1

You say that I insult you. This is what you said to me.

dmoonme1

One should not use ultimate adjectives when trying to make a valid point. i.e."all killings...".

And if you can't remember the protests from empirical knowledge, as I do, then get a history book and look at all of those timely pictures of rioting, looting, marching (peaceful & violent) then try to defend your idiotic statements.

Egads man! What is that thing on top of your shoulders for, anyway?

Do you really think Erik does not see who the trolls are?
All you have to do is click on a persons comments to get a clear picture of who they are.
And you are far from being the kind sweet person you want people to think you are.

What is even worse is you say you are disabled. But instead of defending this clip.Because it is about a thug talking down a disabled person. You side with the thugs.
And then you have a clip that is totally racist. Do you not see who you really are?