 Perkalicious11 says: the original link has a great chart on the percentage of a workers' income that comes from tips too. That's really interesting! (I thought many were on the low side.) I do not tip. I log what I would normally tip, 20%, and add it to my charitable contributions. I started this about 6 months ago. May your server spit in your food. You should try working for next to free sometime. You should try working for next to free sometime.I did try it. I didn't like it. I moved on. The pay a server receives is an issue with the employer and the server. If the server gets a raw deal from the government in regard to filing taxes based on the fact that a large portion of their salary is tips, then that is between the worker and the govenrment. I will not subsidize either crooked practice. Neither of your points have validity. There are tax cheats in ever occupation. You can make the arguement that tipped employees under report their income, and that is valid, but you penalize everyone whether or not you know about the honest of the individual serving you. The other part about the server and his employer is simply ridiculous. You will pay either way. If the owner is forced to pay the full wage and have a no tipping policy he simply slaps a 20% surcharge on the price of your meal. You pay regardless. You are just being cheap and making a decision to donate the servers deserved wage to a charity the server may not approve of. Basically your just being cheap. My comment about taxes had nothing to do with cheating. My comment is based on the assumptions the IRS makes about gratuities for service workers. That is an issue between the server and the government - not me. You can call me cheap if you want. I don't care. It just shows your penchant for making ignorant comments. I will gladly pay 20, 30, even 50% more to establishments with no tipping policies. You are just being cheap and making a decision to donate the servers deserved wage to a charity the server may not approve of.The "deserved wage" is the wage the server negotiates with their employer. Tips are gratuities and are NOT "deserved". They are given out of the... That's your interpretation. I'd bet handsomely that the rest of society would more label you a thief and a cheap one at that. If I was still in my serving days and you frequented my restaurant I'd make sure your entree got a good swipe across the restroom floor. Cheapskates who don't believe in giving a gift for a service provided should either stay at home or limit themselves to buffets. Waiters have ways of paying back and any stingy scrooge that doesn't think so is foolish and of course....ignorant. And THAT comment is one of the reasons I no longer tip. BR, I will just ...add that you are quite possibly one of the most disturbed clippers I have come accross. By the way. I GIVE away more money than you earn. I guarantee you! It's the internet, you can say whatever you want. You have no way to verify your beliefs. For that matter the topic isn't about charitable giving it's about whether you steal the waiters income, which you do. You should consider my comments educational. You want to go to some restaurant and puff out your chest, be stingy, as if your making some sort of big point while you put the rest of your family at risk of having some waiter with who knows what, hepatitis, leaving a surprise in your plate. Your a fool. Your a fool.Thanks for your brilliance and example of superior education. You're an idiot! Oh I'm so hurt. My uncorrectable typing error discovered. Way to go Einstein. Enjoy your next dining experience thief. I wasn't remarking about your typing mistake. It happens all the time. Cordially, Einstein Whatever, your waiter buddies are looking forward to serving you up something special. Bon Apptit. I do, however, tip my caddy. And my hair stylist. And my car detailer. Big Deal. You're still a thief. I also give bonuses to my yard man. Does that count? Big Deal. You're still a thief.Then why have I not been arrested? I am required to leve 20% to someone that cannot even speak in an educated manner, make eye contact, and does not even care to be at work? It's your meal. Conduct yourself as you see fit, thief. Just don't go back to the same place twice. Hope you have plenty of restaurants in your town. All they do is carry my plate to me. For that I am supposed to leave them 20 bucks. Sounds to me like you are the idiot. Just think if everyone quit tipping. Business would actually have to pay their employees. It's a well understood social contract. The waiter also helps to support a busboy, bartender, and possibly cooks. When you steal from him you steal from all of them. In some countries (France) they have decided to be done with cheapskates like you and incorporate the tip into the price of the meal (20% markup). The owner is going to pass along that wage cost regardless. However you are to ignorant to realize that tipping is a better method for the patron because if there is a legitimate complaint about bad service he can adjust the tip. But your just a cheapskate and a thief. In some countries (France) they have decided to be done withNow that is an idea I can support. If you can rationalize paying 20% on top of the meal which the owner will turn right around and give to the waiter then you should be able to rationalize tipping. However you are to ignorant to realize that tipping is a better method for the patron because if there is a legitimate complaint about bad service he can adjust the tip. If you can rationalize paying 20% on top of the meal which the ownerThat is not my rationalizion. My rationalization is to pay a fair price to the establishment for food and service. The management can be responsible for the level of service. If there is a problem with the service then I will notify management. If enough perople notify management about a particular employee, then the employee will either be corrected, trained, or terminated. This way the establishment is directly responsible for product and service, which ensures both will be better. I, as a patron, should not be... This reminds me of this, http://www.illwillpress.com/tipz.html Do not view if easily offended (or not an adult). @willhelm You maintain a ridiculous position. Just because the waiter receives a gratuity (at least from those who aren't cheapskates and thieves) doesn't keep you from making a complaint to the management. What an idiot you are. You maintain that you tip your stylist. Stylists aren't fully compensated by their employer. The expectation is that they will make tips. You are just an angry scrooge. You are going to be responsible for that employees income one way or another just as every customer is responsible for a company's cash flow that is used to pay their employees. Time for you to stop arguing as you are maintaining a ridiculous point. Just look out for that extra runny sauce on y... |
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