willhelm says: Why do Obama and Biden hate giving money to charity? "But for people who have studied the impressive generosity of the American public, there is news in Biden’s returns. “I’m not going to say he’s a bad guy,” says Arthur Brooks. “My only point is that his values are not typical American values when it comes to charitable giving. Americans in general are very generous.” Those who give, get. Those who take, get taken. What smells in here? 2007 Income Obamas 4.2 mil charity $240,000 McCains 6.4 mil $105,467 source: USA TODAY pardon my error. McCain's total charitable contributions $210,933, read it wrong. In 2007, the Arizona senator reported $405,409 in total income and contributed $105,467, or 26 percent of his total income, to charity. In 2006, Mr. McCain said he had $358,414 in total income and donated $64,695, or 18 percent of his total income, to charity. Mr. McCain’s campaign said he donates his royalties from his books to charities and that “this sum has totaled over $1,800,000 since 1998 when he signed his first book deal.” The campaign said his book income added up to $256,898 for 2006 and 2007. The senator’s campaign also said that Mr. McCain has donated to charity a total of $450,000 since 1991— money he received from increases in his Senate salary — “because he opposed the Con... source: USA TODAYAnother 'source' to scratch off the reputable list. Here's what your source left out n2sooners Mrs McCain made 6 million dollars. It explains why I originally reported your number for charity. Half of their total charity was put through Sen. McCains tax return as they file separately. This is a common strategy for McCain to make it look like he gives a greater percentage of his income to charity when in fact she is doing the giving but he is getting the credit. USA today has the truth. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-biden-financial_N.htm deb2012, 1. The Obama's cannot hold a candle to Mrs McCain's deeds and contributions. 2. Obama gave less than 2% of his windfall book salary to charity and most of that went to the Congressional Black Caucus. ok willhelm if you say so. notice I didn't attempt to defend Biden, which should embarrass him. I just responded to you putting Obama in the same category as Biden which is not factual, as he's closer to the McCain family category except tha he supports black issues, which mcCain doesn't. You are absolutely wrong, deb2012. Obama disdains charity as do most leftists. To them charity should be discouraged and government should be King. Obama is worse than Biden.You are simply attempting to smear. The facts show I am correct. I'm sure glad there are more important issues that will be more significant in determining our future. It's really hard to have a discussion with someone who believes Obama and most liberals disdain charity. It isn't supported by his tax return, it isn't supported by his words, it isn't supported by his actions as a community organizer, or as a volunteer at his church. Disagree with his liberal policy all you want, there are logical arguments to be made there, but one does not preclude the other. Hey, I'll make your argument for you. You could infer that the liberal agenda of increasing taxes on the rich will reduce contributions to charitable organizations. You could argue that federalizing service is a bad idea. You could argue that giving money is charity and giving time is not. I might then respond that reducing taxes on the middle class might encourage them to donate more. I might argue that if a middle class citizen didn't have $200,000 in student loan debts for school, he/she might have donated cash instead of time. My tax return only shows 5% of my income goes to charity, but as a volunteer to Habitat for Humanity, Big Brothers/Sisters, and the American Red Cross, one... I've always made that case, deb. Government does nothing to fix problems. Government creates problems. People fix problems through their monetary gifts, volunteerism, etc. This is NOT what Progressives support. Progressives support organic unity where society works together to solve problems ( Yes we can) and issues that some "philosopher king" says are important. Libertarians support a disarray of individual interests working alone or in small groups to fix problems. One group tells others what they must do while they sit on their ass and do nothing - That is most progressives. I'm sorry you have such distorted view of my opinion or the facts, but they are what they are. It isn't s... I really appreciate it when to stick to explaining the difference in political platforms. You have a case to be made, but I rarely see it any more. I'm glad I was able to get you back to it today. Keep going. We need your wisdom. It's great when you fully vet the reasons the conservatives have a valuable viewpoint, and pointing out the flaws in other viewpoints. I can learn from that. The other stuff you are engaging in is truly below you. deb2012... if you keep 'learning' as you state, you might become a conservative after all You can look at some other 'well off' folks... look at Kerry, for example and compare his donations to Cheney. There are many examples like that. There were some studies that concluded that the left is behind the right in terms of charity... so 'right' is right Typically you see most vocal people on the left do little in real life. But the non-vocal left - those are definitely worth admiration... people like Bill Gates, the Google boys and many others. RecordSage-you might be surprised to learn I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. I tend to look for the truth and have voted Republican many times. I have continually been disappointed with Republican administrations I have voted for. Why? They cut taxes and spend more than the Democrats. They deregulate in a way that harms the country. They have not reduced poverty, crime, or really any of our internal problems. Tax breaks to the rich have not stimulated the economy in the way they hoped. It did promote greed and an industry of financial products that produce nothing in real goods or gdp. Many democrats aren't rich and they give quietly in the form of time instead of mo... Can't argue with you as to how the Republicans wasted their turn at the throne. Unfortunately on many other levels the Democrats are either as bad or worse. Certainly when it comes to the defense - there's no comparison, one of the main reasons I don't want to touch Obama. The personal charity thing is not a significant issue (for me), everyone does what they can, not for me to judge or otherwise. Where Obama miserably fails, IMO, is in his socialist views & approaches. I lived under socialism and I've lived for 30 years here and I can tell you from personal experience - you have no idea what you're getting yourself into. Socialism has NOT worked anywhere. Taking from the rich, by forc... The Democrats have been all looking for JFK to save them. Obama doesn't qualify at all, since his question is 'what can your country do for you? and not what you can do for your country?'. He's got that backwards and pretty much everything else, from defense to foreign policy to... anyway, gotta run to a meeting. You have a nice day! (and I mean that I think the young people in this country are gonna bring a lot of very very cool things to the world, and I look forward to that. Obama won't come close to spending what the Republicans on average have over the last 25 years; he's handcuffed thanks to mismanagement by both parties. There's no where to go unless we get out of Iraq and let the greedy on wall street fail. We may not even get our tax cuts he promises. At least he isn't an oligarch and a socialist. McCain is old paradigm, and old ideas, and reactionary, not revolutionary. Boring. He's had his day. zzzzzzz. Glad to have you as an American citizen sir! And a very proud one! So, McCain reported his contributions on his taxes. Woopty-do. Many people don't report their charity contributions, if they don't care about the tax break. Biden may be one of them. I'm sure that's exactly the deal... yeah, that must be it, what other explanation could there be? I guess it could be that he didn't contribute, but then your guy looks bad and we can't have that, can we? So, McCain reported his contributions on his taxes. Woopty-do. Many people don't report their charity contributions, if they don't care about the tax break. Biden may be one of them.HAHAHAHA! And it "may" have been Aliens that took down the WTC buildings. I mean hell there is even YouTube videos of it. RecordSage, that would be the "may be" part of my statement. And he's not "my guy that can't look bad." I want the microscope to be just as focused on my preferred candidates as any other candidate. If there is wrongdoing, I want to know. Contrary to popular belief, not all voters are sheep. I'm very glad to hear that and couldn't disagree with a single word of your last comment. Well, I'll be you could if you tried really hard. Make that, "I'll BET you could..." sorry oops, sorry again (for the sorry above)... I thought I misspelled and thus apologized, but looking now you my read that wrong. I'll keep in mind your self-sentiments... if anyone - you should know I'll keep that in mind. I'd describe myself as optimist/realist, which sometimes is hard to mix, but I try. My wife had very similar description of herself as you did... so I totally understand why you and I 'spar' here and there... For 2006, the Palins paid $11,944 (LINE 63) in total taxes on gross income of $127,869 (LINE 37), which is a 9.3% tax rate. For 2007, the Palins paid $24,738 (LINE 63) in total taxes on gross income of $166,080 (LINE 37), which is a 14.9% tax rate. Charitable Contributions: 2006 In 2006, Sarah and Todd Palin donated $4,250 to charity in cash/check donations and $630 in non-cash/check donations, for a total of $4,880. This is 3.3% of their adjusted gross income. 2007 In 2007, Sarah and Todd Palin donated $2,500 to charity in cash/check donations and $825 in non-cash/check donations, for a total of $3,325. This is 1.5% of their adjusted gross income. http://www.johnmccain.... deb2012, do you have 5 kids? Not quite. I also don't get $2000 per family member in oil rebates (no wonder she supports drilling and keeps having kids) Are you saying I should be more taxes than her even though I make less income? (It's a pretty glaring difference in her taxes vs mine) Also, on the charity front, she does less than me. I'm just saying, to all of you who blasted Biden.... Also, on the charity front, she does less than me. I'm just saying, to all of you who blasted Biden....The difference is that Palin does not espouse an agenda which seeks to force people to give money to government causes and programs they do not believe in . Biden is the hypocrite. Palin is not. Also, I give a whole lot to church and charity, but some years I do not do as much as I should. There have been years that I have struggled and have not been able to do anything. Fortunately, today I am in a position that I can do more and I do follow through in time and money. The point about Biden's greed was based on long term track record. Best I a can tell, the record on Palin is limited in time. I totally misunderstood that you were reporting that Biden was greedy. Here's where it all started: "But for people who have studied the impressive generosity of the American public, there is news in Biden’s returns. “I’m not going to say he’s a bad guy,” says Arthur Brooks. “My only point is that his values are not typical American values when it comes to charitable giving. Americans in general are very generous.” My only point is that now that all 4 tax returns are out there, having cred in blasting only Biden and not Palin is problematic in my opinion. No, I don't think Biden is greedy. That was a bad choice of words. |
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