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6-26-2008 6:35 PM
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I'm asking for help here from my friendly clippers. Is England considered a country? Is the United Kingdom considered a country? Is Northern Ireland considered a country or a province?

This Wikipedia entry is confusing. The UK includes Northern Ireland, whereas Great Britain (or Britain) does not. Right?

Thanks for helping me understand this better.
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6-26-2008 11:39 PM
merrie
It's so completely complicated, but I suppose there are
people who think we're not educated enough to know
which is which. Wouldn't it be designated by each country's government? (Prime Minister, etc.)
6-27-2008 12:08 AM
jmjoness
Mm, the union of Britain is a little different then the union of the US. England, Scotland, and Wales were independent nations at one point... And Northern Ireland was split from the south... They're all supposed to be provinces of the UK now, but England is seen as more dominant. At least that's the way I understand it.
6-27-2008 4:10 AM
JohnWaterman
OK - right, hold your breath - here goes....

England, Wales and Scotland are countries (but not legal nation states), England and Scotland are/were kingdoms, but Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland is a province... put England, Scotland and Wales together and you get Great Britain (or is that just simple ordinary, mediocre Britain - I forget.) Add Northern Ireland - Oh and the Isle of Man I think (where the Queen is Lord) and you get the UK (sort of)........ Oh I give up!

It is ridiculously complicated and I think you'll find very few of us Brits who completely get it!

[url=http://alt-usage-english.org/whatistheuk.html]This site...
6-27-2008 4:16 AM
JohnWaterman
You have to understand that some things (like this and cricket) just aren't meant to be understood
6-27-2008 4:18 AM
mona
You have to understand that some things (like this and cricket) just aren't meant to be understood
coudln't have said it better myself
6-27-2008 4:38 AM
carrerinyes
Well said John!
6-27-2008 6:00 AM
JohnWaterman
Got me thinking. More things that aren't meant to be understood:

Quantum mechanics
Mornington Crescent - here and here
My ex-wives

Any more
6-27-2008 10:36 AM
bignosemousie
but if I were you I'd just call us all English because that really annoys the Scots and the Welsh which is always fun
Ha! Thanks for clearing it up for me. I feel a little better knowing that it isn't easily understood by most.
6-27-2008 4:27 PM
abailart
Britain is somewhere vaguely in the British Isles, and also includes the Crown dependencies of the Isle of Man, Jersey and other Channel Islands. However, a complication noted by Wiki is:
"The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland,[4] where many people may find the term offensive or objectionable; the Irish government also discourages its usage.[5]

There are two sovereign states located on the islands: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and Ireland.[6] The group also includes the Crown dependencies of the Isle of Man and, by tradition, the Channel Islands, although the latter are not physically a part of the archipelago.[7] There are other common...
6-28-2008 10:53 AM
bignosemousie
Thanks abailart. I really appreciate any clarity I can get.
6-28-2008 12:45 PM
ratilfar
Also the United Kingdom may disappear if Scotland declares independence and undue the Act of Union, which curiously enough also means that the UK may lose its trademark flag, which is a fusion of the Scottish and English Flags (Blue on White for Scotland X style, Red on White cross for England).
6-28-2008 1:04 PM
Socratoad
Please pay close attention as there will be both an oral and a written exam at the end of these lessons
6-28-2008 1:06 PM
ratilfar
hard to shut down my history prof side!
6-28-2008 1:12 PM
bignosemousie
Ahhh! I don't understand things clearly as they stand now, Ratilfar. You must stop!
6-28-2008 10:27 PM
silvanaraihane
the english always were complicated to understand!
6-29-2008 3:15 AM
abailart
England is further divided into North West, North East, South East, South West, North, South, East, West and Central, with Central gradually replacing the word Midlands. Central England or the Midlands is divided by an arbitrary line so that, for instance, sometimes Manchester is in the North West and sometimes in the Midlands (Central). These divisions have to be understood within the similar division applied to the British mainland, so that, for instance, the North West refers to the Scottish extremities, and the English North West becomes the South. Within a region such as the English North West, even when it is called the Midlands, there are the south, north and east of the rgion but not...
7-3-2008 7:51 AM
valann 47
and if you live north of the Watford gap, you're a foreigner, although to some of us its also north of the Medway. lol....
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