The third reason is Israel. To deny that
pro-Palestinian activism in the world is sometimes related to hostility
toward Jews is to deny the obvious. It is not possible that the
unearned preoccupation with the Palestinians is unrelated to the fact
that their enemy is the one Jewish state in the world.

A fourth reason is China. If Tibet had been crushed by a white
European nation, the Tibetans would have elicited far more sympathy.



















A fifth reason is the world's Left. As a general rule, the Left
demonizes Israel and has loved China since it became Communist in 1948.
And given the power of the Left in the wo[b]...

The third reason is Israel. To deny that
pro-Palestinian activism in the world is sometimes related to hostility
toward Jews is to deny the obvious. It is not possible that the
unearned preoccupation with the Palestinians is unrelated to the fact
that their enemy is the one Jewish state in the world.

A fourth reason is China. If Tibet had been crushed by a white
European nation, the Tibetans would have elicited far more sympathy.



















A fifth reason is the world's Left. As a general rule, the Left
demonizes Israel and has loved China since it became Communist in 1948.
And given the power of the Left in the world's media, in the political
life of so many nations, and in the universities and the arts, it is no
wonder vicious China has been idolized and humane Israel demonized.

"The sixth reason is the United Nations, where Israel has been
condemned in more General Assembly and Security Council resolutions
than any other country in the world. At the same time, the UN has voted
China onto its Security Council and has never condemned it. China's
sponsoring of Sudan and its genocidal acts against its non-Arab black
population, as in Darfur, goes largely unremarked on at the UN, let
alone condemned, just as is the case with its cultural genocide, ethnic
cleansing and military occupation of Tibet.

The seventh reason is television news, the primary source of
news for much of mankind. Aside from its leftist tilt, television news
reports only what it can video. And al[b]...

"The sixth reason is the United Nations, where Israel has been
condemned in more General Assembly and Security Council resolutions
than any other country in the world. At the same time, the UN has voted
China onto its Security Council and has never condemned it. China's
sponsoring of Sudan and its genocidal acts against its non-Arab black
population, as in Darfur, goes largely unremarked on at the UN, let
alone condemned, just as is the case with its cultural genocide, ethnic
cleansing and military occupation of Tibet.

The seventh reason is television news, the primary source of
news for much of mankind. Aside from its leftist tilt, television news
reports only what it can video. And almost no country is televised as
much as Israel, while video reports in Tibet are forbidden, as they are
almost anywhere in China except where strictly monitored by the Chinese
authorities. No video, no TV news. And no TV, no concern. So while
grieving Palestinians and the accidental killings of Palestinians
during morally necessary Israeli retaliations against terrorists are
routinely televised, the slaughter of over a million Tibetans and the
extinguishing of Tibetan Buddhism and culture are non-events as far as
television news is concerned.

The world is unfair, unjust and morally twisted. And rarely
more so than in its support for the Palestinians -- no matter how many
innocents they target for murder and no matter how much Nazi-like
anti-Semitism permeates their media -- and its neglect of the cruelly
treated, humane Tibetans."

But the world does not recognize Israel's sovereignty over Israel?

The world does not recognize Israel's brutal actions as legitimate and I do not recognize Israel's so called right to exist. Nor shall I ever do so!
And that is what counts for me.

In any case although Prager is a Jew, he is making the same excuses and distractions I have been hearing from Jews and Christian Zionist propagandist's for many years. And of course World Net Daily has been spewing this garbage since it's founding as far as I know and Prager was and probably still is one of its writers.

It doesn't matter how many people Joe in the next town over is killing; the evil of Josh in my town who is also...

But the world does not recognize Israel's sovereignty over Israel?

The world does not recognize Israel's brutal actions as legitimate and I do not recognize Israel's so called right to exist. Nor shall I ever do so!
And that is what counts for me.

In any case although Prager is a Jew, he is making the same excuses and distractions I have been hearing from Jews and Christian Zionist propagandist's for many years. And of course World Net Daily has been spewing this garbage since it's founding as far as I know and Prager was and probably still is one of its writers.

It doesn't matter how many people Joe in the next town over is killing; the evil of Josh in my town who is also murdering people is still evil.

The reason the Palestinian genocide was more noted is because the USA is nearly as guilty and in some ways more guilty of the crimes Israel commits than Israel is, and only the USA protecting Israel has allowed this to continue for more than 60 years.

A Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis was if not a traitor to this country, a violator of the ethical standards of his position in order to bring American Jews on board the Zionist train.

Yance, Iraq and Jordan were created the same way Israel was created out of WWII. Right?

There was never a country called Palestine. In fact the land was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. So, it seems to me your opinions are based in some animus. The land of Israel was desolate. Yes some people were displaced, but no where near the numbers claimed and Israel has bent over backward to try and reconcile the matter.

Every action that can be viewed as hostility from Israel results from the fact that they think differently than you and believe they have a right to exist as a soveriegn nation as they have for millenia and for that reason they protect themselves from the threats they face on a daily b...

Yance, Iraq and Jordan were created the same way Israel was created out of WWII. Right?

There was never a country called Palestine. In fact the land was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. So, it seems to me your opinions are based in some animus. The land of Israel was desolate. Yes some people were displaced, but no where near the numbers claimed and Israel has bent over backward to try and reconcile the matter.

Every action that can be viewed as hostility from Israel results from the fact that they think differently than you and believe they have a right to exist as a soveriegn nation as they have for millenia and for that reason they protect themselves from the threats they face on a daily basis. In a manner as if Delaware was threatened by the Continent of North America.

Yance, you are 'out there' dude.

Nutshell history lesson: ( I hope this doesn't get you killed)

There was a rgion formed called the Palestine Mandate out of the ruins of the Turkish Empire. "Palestine" was used because it was descriptive of the region. There was never a nation called "Palestine". This region came under control of the British Empire and British promised land to Israel for them to set up a homeland.

Britain gave 80% of the land in the Palestine Mandate to the Arabs. Jordan consisted of those that refer to themselves as "Palestinians". If all the Arabs wanted was a Palestinian homeland, the Jordan is it. But that is not what they want. They want Jews dead.

In 1948 the othe...

Yance, you are 'out there' dude.

Nutshell history lesson: ( I hope this doesn't get you killed)

There was a rgion formed called the Palestine Mandate out of the ruins of the Turkish Empire. "Palestine" was used because it was descriptive of the region. There was never a nation called "Palestine". This region came under control of the British Empire and British promised land to Israel for them to set up a homeland.

Britain gave 80% of the land in the Palestine Mandate to the Arabs. Jordan consisted of those that refer to themselves as "Palestinians". If all the Arabs wanted was a Palestinian homeland, the Jordan is it. But that is not what they want. They want Jews dead.

In 1948 the other 20% of the Palestine Mandate was divided between Israel and Arabs. Israels part was mostly arid desert and unoccupied by a single living soul.

The Jews proceeded to build a beautiful modern nation while corrupt Arab leaders stole the money (billions in US$) that the US and Israel gave to the Palestinians for there own developments.

The fact is Israel worked and Arabs blamed.

So, the entire issue in the Middle East would not exist if Arabs couls accept 92% of the mandate and leave Israel to their 8%.

If I really wanted to nitpick I could offer the fact that there wer NO Arabs in the Palestine region until the Muslim invasions in the 7th century and in the 1300 years since, there was never an effort made to create a Palestinian state.

Arabs are humiliated by Israel, but it is their own fault.

@n2sooners

Jews living in the Diaspora have long aspired to return to Zion and the Land of Israel.[34] That hope and yearning was articulated in the Bible[35] and is a central theme in the Jewish prayer book. Beginning in the twelfth century, a small but steady stream of Jews began to leave Europe to settle in the Holy Land, increasing in numbers after Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.[36] During the 16th century large communities struck roots in the Four Holy Cities, and in the second half of the 18th century, entire Hasidic communities from eastern Europe settled in the Holy Land.[37]

I guess that is where you get your 1100s date.
Sorry, we could be talking about 15 J...

@n2sooners

Jews living in the Diaspora have long aspired to return to Zion and the Land of Israel.[34] That hope and yearning was articulated in the Bible[35] and is a central theme in the Jewish prayer book. Beginning in the twelfth century, a small but steady stream of Jews began to leave Europe to settle in the Holy Land, increasing in numbers after Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.[36] During the 16th century large communities struck roots in the Four Holy Cities, and in the second half of the 18th century, entire Hasidic communities from eastern Europe settled in the Holy Land.[37]

I guess that is where you get your 1100s date.
Sorry, we could be talking about 15 Jews.
The reason Jews had to be smuggled into Palestine breaking British Mandate Laws wasn't because the Jews had established themselves there. Quite the contrary.

What I do know is that the Jews until they began their Zionism project were a distinct minority everywhere except Jerusalem and that they were mostly non productive place holders supported by funds from Jews not living there.

You may assume that, but I'll know better.

My assumption is based on what I know and you give no evidence about what you claim to know. Look, Clipmarks is full of the intellectually light. I don't lump you in with them, but you are going to have to make a rational case to convince me that I am wrong, ignorant or misled.

If you don't know who Joan Peters is and do not know her "nonfiction"
book "From Time Immemorial" then you really know nothing about the
issue, not because what she says is true but because her book was a big
ticket propaganda item much loved by Christian Zionists and Jews as an
apologetic for them.

OK, so I am uniformed because I do not know a...

You may assume that, but I'll know better.

My assumption is based on what I know and you give no evidence about what you claim to know. Look, Clipmarks is full of the intellectually light. I don't lump you in with them, but you are going to have to make a rational case to convince me that I am wrong, ignorant or misled.

If you don't know who Joan Peters is and do not know her "nonfiction"
book "From Time Immemorial" then you really know nothing about the
issue, not because what she says is true but because her book was a big
ticket propaganda item much loved by Christian Zionists and Jews as an
apologetic for them.

OK, so I am uniformed because I do not know about Joan Peters' propaganda? That makes absolutely no sense.

Are you a Christian Zionist (go to a church that pushes that view) ?

Are you kidding? My Chrurch teaches about a relationship with Christ from a Calvinist, reformed standpoint. The modern Jewish state or "zionism" has never come up that I can remember or know about.

I would generally trash anyone that wrote for WorldNet Daily even if they were Martian.

So you trash the person, misrepresent, offer no facts, and lie instead of addressing the thinking, opinion, philosophy or the issue? That is what jklugman, bobbyrutan, debbyski, ratilfar, and many other ignorant loafers do. Since when have you engaged in the very tactics of those with whom you have disagreed for that very same reason?

Willhelm you wrote

In 1948 the other 20% of the Palestine Mandate was divided between Israel and Arabs. Israels part was mostly arid desert and unoccupied by a single living soul.

That is about as close to being true as saying that the first trip to the moon was made on the back of a swam.

I'm not trying to make fun of you but how would you talk to me if I told you the swan story.

This particular quote of yours or idea, where did you get it from? It might help to understand that.

The story you are telling is the Christen Zionist version except you are the first to get the poor Israelis down to recieving the miniscule amount of 8%.

Perhaps a better way to go is to poi...

Willhelm you wrote

In 1948 the other 20% of the Palestine Mandate was divided between Israel and Arabs. Israels part was mostly arid desert and unoccupied by a single living soul.

That is about as close to being true as saying that the first trip to the moon was made on the back of a swam.

I'm not trying to make fun of you but how would you talk to me if I told you the swan story.

This particular quote of yours or idea, where did you get it from? It might help to understand that.

The story you are telling is the Christen Zionist version except you are the first to get the poor Israelis down to recieving the miniscule amount of 8%.

Perhaps a better way to go is to point out that whether it's a 100% is being stolen or only 8% stolen it's stilll stealing and Palestinians are still dead as a result!

That is about as close to being true as saying that the first trip to the moon was made on the back of a swam.

I do not know how can say thay given that it is pretty much true even today. But why niptpick at a fact as obsure as that? OK, then drop that point if you wish.

All I am asking for is your version without so much vitriol thrown in toward Jews.

I'm not trying to make fun of you but how would you talk to me if I told you the swan story.

This particular quote of yours or idea, where did you get it from? It might help to understand that.

The
story you are telling is the Christen Zionist version except you are
the first to get the poor Israelis...

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That is about as close to being true as saying that the first trip to the moon was made on the back of a swam.

I do not know how can say thay given that it is pretty much true even today. But why niptpick at a fact as obsure as that? OK, then drop that point if you wish.

All I am asking for is your version without so much vitriol thrown in toward Jews.

I'm not trying to make fun of you but how would you talk to me if I told you the swan story.

This particular quote of yours or idea, where did you get it from? It might help to understand that.

The
story you are telling is the Christen Zionist version except you are
the first to get the poor Israelis down to recieving the miniscule
amount of 8%.

OK. Characterize my version however you wish. Just give me your version.

Perhaps a better way to go is to point out that
whether it's a 100% is being stolen or only 8% stolen it's stilll
stealing and Palestinians are still dead as a result!

Still, you better supply some facts bcause I'm beginning to believe you do not have any. This line of reasoning can be followed to the point that all land was stolen.

Please reread my comment regarding the history and give me a point by point explanation on what is wrong with it. That is all I am asking.

Why would it be that Palstinians are dead? See my comment. You are making absolutely no sense.

For the record, I do not bear animosity towards Jews and I have never
expressed animosity towards Jews--or any other national, ethnic or
religious group. Willhelm of course is equating criticism of Israeli
policies to anti-Jewish animus. Fortunately, I realize that the Israeli
state does not equal Israelis, who do not equal Jews.

I beg your pardon, JK.

It is hard to notice that you never seem to express a similar outrage toward those protracting the stalemate and denying Israel's right to exist.
I know many that share similar views regarding "criticism of Israeli policies" and many if not all of them express anti-semitism and blatant animosity in their opinions. I am sorry ...

For the record, I do not bear animosity towards Jews and I have never
expressed animosity towards Jews--or any other national, ethnic or
religious group. Willhelm of course is equating criticism of Israeli
policies to anti-Jewish animus. Fortunately, I realize that the Israeli
state does not equal Israelis, who do not equal Jews.

I beg your pardon, JK.

It is hard to notice that you never seem to express a similar outrage toward those protracting the stalemate and denying Israel's right to exist.
I know many that share similar views regarding "criticism of Israeli policies" and many if not all of them express anti-semitism and blatant animosity in their opinions. I am sorry for painting you as one who holds the same views as some of my personal acquaintances. I do not believe you have expressed animosity in a hateful context toward Jews. I read that into your comments.

One of the reasons Israel was created as a state by the UN was to give a homeland not only to those already settled there, often by the honest purchase of erstwhile arid, unprofitable, unwanted land from previous occupiers, but also to provide a home for the thousands of displaced and decimated Jewish communities following the onslaught of Nazism. Communities which had, for the most part, been left to the tender mercies of their oppressors a few years earlier and which had received scant regard from many of the founder member states of the UN.

Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia were established with British influence, amongst that of other colonial and major powers, following the collapse of the...

One of the reasons Israel was created as a state by the UN was to give a homeland not only to those already settled there, often by the honest purchase of erstwhile arid, unprofitable, unwanted land from previous occupiers, but also to provide a home for the thousands of displaced and decimated Jewish communities following the onslaught of Nazism. Communities which had, for the most part, been left to the tender mercies of their oppressors a few years earlier and which had received scant regard from many of the founder member states of the UN.

Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia were established with British influence, amongst that of other colonial and major powers, following the collapse of the Ottomans at the time of the First World and, partly, as a reward for the support of the Allies by many of the Arab tribes of the region during that conflict. I agree that if Israel is a ‘created’ country so are most in the Middle East.