 egoldstein says: This is clipped from a piece by Roland Martin, an Obama supporter. I voted for Obama and i do support him as president. But i simply don't understand the rationale for "shutting up" or showing support "from a distance" or letting "Iran determine Iran's fate." If we are to claim to be leaders of the free world, then we have an obligation to act like a leader. To sit by and watch a government brutally attack its own citizens because they seek to peacefully protest is as anti-american as it gets. Reacting so passively, timidly and carefully (choose your word) is nothing short of weak. I find it very disappointing. If we are to claim to be leaders of the free world, then we have an obligation to act like a leader.A true leader knows when to step in, and when it's the wiser course of action to step back, assess the entire situation, and not automatically feel it's their right or duty to poke their nose in at the onset. Don't confuse a calmer approach with timidity or passivity. I voted for Obama because of his methodical approach; he's not going to just jump into the fray without good reason. Charging in with guns blazing is what got us in trouble for the past 8 years. I'm very proud of President Obama and how he's handling this. Hard as it is to stay physically out ... To sit by and watch a government brutally attack its own citizensI am glad you shared this. It took guts. Nothing that can be done unless your proposing bombing Iran or invading, two very stupid and counterproductive things. Don;t let your frustration take over. Obama is doing what is the right, not easy (although it may seem that way). Iran does not belong to the U.S. but to the Iranian people, freedom will come from and through them, no one else. Such intellectually bankrupt rationalization: A true leader knows when to step in, and when it's the wiser course ofObama: "We don know how this is going to play out". That is MORONIC. Those words are meaningless and can be said about anything. I think we have a pretty good idea how things are working out when people are being slaughtered. Such idiocy: Ratbrain says: Nothing that can be done unless your proposing bombing Iran or invading, two very stupid and counterpr... I think we have a pretty good idea how things are working out when people are being slaughtered.Let's put it in a nutshell. If you were in President Obama's place, what would you do? I agree that an over -reaching on this issue can have negative consequences. I've made that opinion known about a half dozen times. However, that dos not mean do nothing.. I would start by listening to the experts instead of the shills covering for Obama's inept course. For example, the above 5 steps would be a good start. The degree to which each is pursued could be lessened or increased accordingly, but Obama is being a pawn for the tyrannical Iranian regime. Surely, count on it, they have made behind the scenes to buy his silence. At best he is selling out for false promises. At worst he is a supported of the regime. OK, once again without the Obama rant. What specifically would you do besides "not what Obama's doing." There was no Obama rant. If all you read was an Obama rant, then perhaps your sensitivities hampered your perceptions. I will add one thing, though, the resistance Obama has shown to encourage the United Nations to issue "words" since the UN loves to issue words, says just about as much as anyone can say. The UN has been very anemic on this issue. Mousavi is not much better than his snake eyed opponent. Mousavi was Prime Minister of Iran from 1981 to 1989. His main supporters come from the rich and the middle classes. Even under a Mousavi Presidency, Iran would still be a theocratic state under Sharia law. The reality is that any American intervention will backfire as it happened in 53' and in 79'. As much as I hate what the bastards in power in Iran are doing, short of going on Crusade in the mid-east (again) it is time to put pressure on the regime in other ways, ways which are already in place (by enlarge). Iran is not run by a American puppet regime that Washington (or anyone else for that matter) can simply plug/unplug as they see fit. perhaps your sensitivities hampered your perceptions.My Clips and comments (though more pro-Obama) run on both sides. I have my eye on his actions just as much as his predecessor, so don't try to read "sensitivities" into it. I'm just looking for a straight answer to a straight question: If you were in President Obama's position, what would you do? Leave your analysis of what he's doing out of it. I have to disagree. America is "The Great Satan" in the eyes of the ruling party, and to be honest, isn't very popular among the opposition. For America to involve itself in any significant way with what is happening in Iran would be akin to the Iranians giving aid, overt or covert, to the American opposition party, usually considered the leftists. In short, we would actually be undermining their efforts be getting involved. Yeah, remind me of the whole conspiracy theory of Gore and the Buddhist temple. According to the logic on Iran from the far-right, the U.S. should have nuked China after Tienanmen Square. My Clips and comments (though more pro-Obama) run on both sides.I don't mean to suggest otherwise, but if you cannot glean from my comments suggestions for a better course, then you are not reading my comments. Let me be clear, wiccantexan...My argument IS NOT that subtlety and restraint are prudent courses of action. My argument is that that course should not be used as an apologetic move for Obama's lack of any action at all. There are experts who say overt and loud intervention can have negative consequences. There are also those who say otherwise. However....Obama: ""We don know how this is going to play out". IS NOT a strategy. Obama has made his support for the regime... This is a fascist, dictatorial regime! They are killing their own people simply for protesting against the status quo. If Obama can't bring himself to become more forceful in his comments, then I think we can see that either his view is being covered by his Rose Colored Glasses (and he is just a bumbling optimist), or he is being intentionally obtuse and we have to ask ourselves WHY?!!!! One who can remain silent while such atrocity is committed does not feel the pain of the victims. Each day that Obama does not forcefully speak to the Iranian regime, the more bold the regime will grow and the more violent they will become. Eric, if by being vocal and overtly active he were to make matters worse than better, then it is better that he be less vocal and less overtly active. 8 years of bellicose activity from the White House only strengthened the Tehran establishment. I respect Obama even more now because he is willing to take it on the chin politically in order to do the right thing. He is not taking it on the chin politically. He is allowing Iranians to be massacred so as to not disturb his pre-arranged you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours deal making with the Islamic Leaders. If he is taking it on the chin politically, it is with the Iranian citizens who have voiced more and more displeasure with America since he was elected. When they say they don't like America involved in their affairs, they do not mean they do not want our support. What they mean is to quit making deals with their barbaric leaders. When they say they don't like America involved in their affairs, theyExcellent point kenstipe!! Right I see, experts on internal Iranian affairs are you? HA Hal!! LOL. Good response to the facts, there, kmcolo. This is the expertise you get from kmcolo: kmcolo 8 years of failed Bush policy on Iran lead to Amadinajab and nuclear weapons, 6 months of Obama policy and the Iranian establishment is fighting for its life. You know if the Republican policy had been at all effective you might have a leg to stand on but it wasn't. It was utter failure. Obama's policy on the other hand... Well the proof is in the pudding. That is the kind of expertise you get from kmcolo. Eric... I think the case is that there's really nothing he can say that has any meaning. We can't threaten any military action. We barely have a military left after all these years in Iraq with redeployment after redeployment, while burning cash by the Hummer-full to pay for Blackwater and Halliburton no-bid contracts. What else will they respond to? I know. We'll set up an army of Christian missionary paratroopers to overtake the country. Millions of faithful Christians are always running off at the mouth about what a Christian country this is, so let them put their beliefs into action, by dropping them in by the millions to do their evangelistic best. They should start volunteering soon! WTH! Military? Are you serious? You think the only option Obama has is military? Give me a break. 1 He can work through the UN ( a favorite for Leftists) to initiate some sort of response to this brutality. 2. He can make speeches about the human quest for liberty and America's enduring support for anyone with that quest. He could speak directly to the Iranian people so they know they are supported ( of course , that would only be legit if Obama supported them. He absolutely, unequivocally does not. 3. funding should be provided immediately for Radio Farda, an effective Persian-language radio, Internet and satellite property of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. Farda helps Iranians get the ... Indeed. 30 years of tracking the internal and external politics of Iran have informed me of likely successful strategies. But all you have to do is look at how the Iranian establishment reacted to the bellicosity that emanated from Washington for 8 years (Ahmadinejad and production of Nuclear weapons) to know a failed strategy when you see one. Iran's internal tensions make it like a punch drunk boxer leaning against their opponent so as not to fall down. Bush policy was propping them up for years as they have leaned against a threatening US stance to keep internal dissent in check. The election of Obama and his overtures has taken that prop away the end result being what we see today. Hilarious! I know it is hard for you to believe but sometimes deliberate, overt manipulations of another country's affairs leads some in those countries to be resentful and suspicious. Imagine that. if you cannot glean from my comments suggestions for a better course, then you are not reading my comments."Gleaning from my comments" easily leads to "you didn't understand, you're taking it out of context..." All sorts of textual pitfalls. I have one simple request: State specifically what you would do in this situation, without referencing Obama. |
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