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8-15-2006 4:14 PM
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Kore7 says:
An informative graphical timeline of the very creation of time, space, matter, and energy in our universe. Cool! I just clipped the first paragraph of the nicely written description that accompanies it.

Of course, cosmology, cosmogony, and quantum physics, and the origins of space-time are some of the hardest fields of study being pursued right now. Any other pointers to clip-size explanations would be welcome additions to Clipmarks.
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8-15-2006 5:22 PM
Kore7
Also, for those who'd like to learn more about the beginning of our universe, two excellent FAQs are:
121 FAQs about Big Bang Cosmology
120 FAQs about General Cosmology

For a more advanced FAQ on the subject, see the thorough Evidence for the Big Bang over at Talk.Origins.
8-15-2006 5:38 PM
Kore7
On another clip, BrazilNut commented:
Checked out the FAQ, and came up with this gem right away:
The fact of the matter is that we do not really understand how the universe came about.
If they don't know, then why are they so opposed to people theorizing (we are not even talking about theologians here) about ID and presenting those theories as viable options in schools? What are they afraid of?
Literally speaking, we will likely never have evidence for the initial (a-causal) quantum fluctuation that set the Big Bang in motion. The...
8-15-2006 5:47 PM
Kore7
[...continued...]

But then the rest of the FAQ goes on to attempt to do just that...describe the beginnings of the universe in layman's terms...and admirably so! Obviously, the author (along with all physicists) isn't suggesting that the Big Bang is not knowable or else the FAQ wouldn't exist...and indeed most of modern quantum physics itself would grind to a halt. Instead, science is progressing and knowledge of the universe is increasing at an accelerated pace.

BN, don't tell me that you're going to let one rhetorical statement stop you from learning about a major field of scientific study. Are you serious about learning the physics of the Big Bang or are you looking for a technicality ...
8-15-2006 6:41 PM
brazilnut72
It's never too late to join the fun of discovery...
What is this...Barney?

Seriously, however, we are approaching things from two different points of view, that will never intersect. You look at the world around you and see chaos and randomness, and figure this must have happened by chance--hence you look for the natural causes of things. (I understand this is a gross oversimplification, I am painting with a large brush here).

I look at the world around me, and see the order and precision of creation, and cannot conceive of how it could be the result of randomness and chance.

I was actually quite surprised to find the admission there, and I did not omit the rest of ...
8-15-2006 9:56 PM
Kore7
The quote you pulled was about the "ultimate origins" of the universe, which is likely beyond the abilities of science to answer because it is more of a philosophical question (like "Why is there anything rather than nothing?") than a scientific one. The FAQ mentions this up front because so many people unfamiliar with science and cosmology bring it up as an excuse to avoid learning either. Besides, as the FAQ at T.O makes very clear from the start, Big Bang Theory (BBT) has nothing to do with the actual origin of our universe, only how it developed afterwards:
"Contrary to the common perception, BBT is not a theory about the origin of the universe. Rather, it describes the development...
8-20-2006 8:06 AM
Djiezes
Thx for the clip & links Kore.

brazilnut said:

Nothing I have ever read, however, has ever been able to answer the question of original cause.
Nothing, that is, except for "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth..."
Not a satisfying answer imo. It just transfers the question further: Then who/what 'created' god?
11-23-2006 7:17 AM
brazilnut72
Not a satisfying answer imo. It just transfers the question further: Then who/what 'created' god?

Man, I should check up on these conversations more often.

As to your question, that is the beauty of the whole thing. Sooner or later in discussing the question of origins, you have to come to something eternal. There is no way around it. Science tries to avoid it by stamping a big question mark over it and saying that it cannot be known.

There is the true cop-out. Why not take on the subject head-on and enter in on the greatest adventure of discovery that exists--the adventure of discovering God.

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