This says nothing about religion itself. Why weren't other social clubs within the study as well? I think it's a bias report, one made to promote organized religion. Why then don't you post a link where we can read about an unbiased study regarding the topic? You are promoting your religion through the back door.Isn't that kind of sleazy? This particular clip says nothing about a specific church one should attend. So how do you figure? I'm still waiting for your unbiased study, by the way. Give me a workable link to the study so I can see the #'s. Isn't it your job to bring the unbiased study? I looked at the study and here's what sticks out: * The association between religiosity and healing is fairly strong (r = .45). * You may say, well, maybe non-religious people are the type who engage in activities that result in worse injuries. The authors report that even after controlling for injury, there is still a statistically significant effect of religiosity on healing, although they don't say how strong the effect is. * The association between religiosity and healing is totally explained by depression. So you can argue that religiosity-->less depression-->better healing. * The authors measured religiosity with three measures: church attendance, self-ratings of religiousness, a... @ katsteevens The study can easily be found by any search engine with the information provided by the clip if you are that interested in reading the study. Either way I did the work for you which was published by the American Journal of Psychiatry by P Pressman, JS Lyons, DB Larson and JJ Strain the link is found here http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/reprint/147/6/758. It'll cost you $7.00 unless you are a current member. I figure the American Journal of Psychiatry is unbiased, to respond to you claim that the study itself is biased. Since you have a problem with the "biased" study I assumed it would be your job to post an unbiased one not mine. @ jklugman So where is the study about faster healing with those who are associated with non-religious social ties with those who go to church? Efrain, I can't name any studies off the top of my head, but it is pretty well known that having social support in the form of loved ones and friends does good things for people, especially with regards to mental health. When I have time I will try to find one with regards to mental health. I hope you are not arguing that God is making religious people heal faster... oops. "When I have time I will try to find one with regards to PHYSICAL health". "for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders,in order, if possible, to lead the elect astray"Mark13:22 @ jklugman So basically you are saying that your own conclusion trumps that of the 4 psychiatrists who put together the study because you believe that it is positive thinking and not the church going that heals a person faster. Would it not have occurred to them that it is in fact positive thinking and not the going to church? I do not argue that maintaining a positive attitude is irrelevant, but what I'm saying is why read into something and come up with your own conclusions for the mere fact that you do not agree the religious factor in the faster healing? God can heal people faster if He so chooses to, religious or not. @ katsteevens I agree. The focus of the Church is to heal the soul not necessarily the physical body. Efrain Alvarado, I did not say my conclusion "trumps" that of the psychiatry study. I was coming up with an explanation CONSISTENT with the study's findings. I pointed out that the study found that church-going--NOT religious attitudes--improved healing. I put forward a reasonable explanation for this. For some reason you take issue with me, but I have no idea why or what your favored explanation is. @ jklugman Obviously if a church going individual is going to church then they must have some kind of religious attitude. It would be highly unlikely that the specimens went to church just for the social aspect of it otherwise they would be playing bingo or at the knitting club. I actually think it is your conclusion that is inconsistent, not the study itself. I take no issue with you other than the one you proposed on my clip. Obviously if a church going individual is going to church then they must have some kind of religious attitude.Possibly, but even if true that does not prove anything. Among churchgoers, there are some people who are more religious than others. And there are probably are some people who go to church primarily, but not solely, for social reasons (e.g. Homer Simpson). And among non-church goers, there are people who are religious and others who are not. So while I agree that religiosity and church attendance is correlated, they are not perfectly correlated. And that's the whole point of the statistics that the researchers were using, to tease out the effects of church-go... I don't see many atheists and agnostics going to the local church for the social gathering. If people go to church they believe in God and they at some level are religious. If they are not religious then they do no believe in God. The only cases I have heard of non-believers going to church is to desecrate the church and the beliefs. I seriously doubt these folks have faster healing to their injuries. So going to church and believing in God go hand in hand. The only cases I have heard of non-believers going to church is to desecrate the church and the beliefs.This is not a fair statement. I am not religious, but I join my parents at their church on holidays because it is important to them. I in no way "desecrate" the church and its beliefs. In fact, I refrain from taking communion because I feel it would dishonest and disrespectful. And what about "non-believers" who walk into a house of worship for a wedding or a funeral? What if they are there because they are searching for spirituality or even, as you seem to denigrate, searching for a social connection? Your attitude is not very charitable. @dulios I understand my comments seem uncharitable but the study reflects those who go to church regularly and those who have a religious commitment. Going to church out of importance to one's parents or because of other ceremonies does not fit the profile of religious commitment which is personal. If one who goes to church for spiritual enlightenment who is not necessarily religious committed, but is a seeker of matters of the soul, then I am not at the very least trying to discourage them at all, actually the opposite. I actually know of some who developed friendship with God by attending church on special occasions only. They later became committed. I suppose we all have a starting p... I accept the apology. I apologize for taking your one comment so personally. |
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