willhelm, I'm not as interested in bringing down the price of oil as I
am in seeing this country use less oil in favor of new and less
polluting technologies.

You do not care that people are suffering? You do not care that oil is now $120-ish a barrel and some estimates are that it could surpass $200 a barrel? You do not care about the catastrophic effects this rise will continue to have on food prices ( via production and transportation) and cause more of the world's poor to starve?
You're only concern is some delusional environmental concern? Do you not care that some companies will have to lay-off people to make up for transportation costs? Do you not care that companies ar...

willhelm, I'm not as interested in bringing down the price of oil as I
am in seeing this country use less oil in favor of new and less
polluting technologies.

You do not care that people are suffering? You do not care that oil is now $120-ish a barrel and some estimates are that it could surpass $200 a barrel? You do not care about the catastrophic effects this rise will continue to have on food prices ( via production and transportation) and cause more of the world's poor to starve?
You're only concern is some delusional environmental concern? Do you not care that some companies will have to lay-off people to make up for transportation costs? Do you not care that companies are having to slim down medical care for their emplyees because of transportation and production costs? Do you know airline tickets will continue to sky-rocket, that flights are being reduced, and ticket prices will eventually make flying a transportation only for the privelaged?

All you care about is everyone inconvenience themselves and suffer because you think oil is a bad thing because Al Gore and a bunch of environmental scammers,who have been crying chicken'little since the early 60's, say so? Next you will be saying we should exercise population control and eugenics to solve food shortages. Just another materialist.

I don't understand why you want to translate my comment into things I did not say. Why are people suffering, that is my concern. There are many ways to alleviate suffering. Americans have become addicted to oil. That is why some call it suffering. Addiction is painful, especially when we don't open our eyes to alternatives. We Americans use 25% of the worlds oil, which led to many of the political decisions of governments to get involved in the middle east. I don't believe that is sustainable for us to use the same amount or more oil as the population grows, unless we stop overconsuming, or we decide to destroy the world's emerging economies who will consume more oil if prices are lower...

I don't understand why you want to translate my comment into things I did not say. Why are people suffering, that is my concern. There are many ways to alleviate suffering. Americans have become addicted to oil. That is why some call it suffering. Addiction is painful, especially when we don't open our eyes to alternatives. We Americans use 25% of the worlds oil, which led to many of the political decisions of governments to get involved in the middle east. I don't believe that is sustainable for us to use the same amount or more oil as the population grows, unless we stop overconsuming, or we decide to destroy the world's emerging economies who will consume more oil if prices are lowered, making us suffer more. My environmental concern has nothing to do with Al Gore, it has to do with the earth's declining resources, toxic air, water, and soil, all contributing to chronic disease and suffering. You can't even get mtbe out of our water with 99% of the filtration systems on the market.

We are stagnated in the fossil fuel era. We must break free of the limitations of this limited resource. Harnessing a renewable clean energy source is imperative to our childrens future. A new power source will open possibilities to our advancement that we cannot comprehend.
There are dangers in searching for such a power source but I believe the risk is worth the payback.
The worst thing about the price of fuel is the fact that it is increasing faster than our economy can compensate. If wages were increasing as fast or faster than the oil prices there would be no crisis.
Once the prices level off the wages will rise to compensate. When services and production comes to a standstill there w...

We are stagnated in the fossil fuel era. We must break free of the limitations of this limited resource. Harnessing a renewable clean energy source is imperative to our childrens future. A new power source will open possibilities to our advancement that we cannot comprehend.
There are dangers in searching for such a power source but I believe the risk is worth the payback.
The worst thing about the price of fuel is the fact that it is increasing faster than our economy can compensate. If wages were increasing as fast or faster than the oil prices there would be no crisis.
Once the prices level off the wages will rise to compensate. When services and production comes to a standstill there will be no choice but to compensate people to offset the cost of living.
Until then we have a great incentive to develop a new energy resource.

I don't understand why you want to translate my comment into things I did not say.

How did I do that. You said you were not "interested in bringing down the price of oil".

Americans have become addicted to oil.

We are not "addicted" to oil any more than we are addicted to our families, success, communities, productivity, innovation, scientific advancement, society, or liberty. It just so happens oil, like air or water, is vital. If the wolrld is a body, then oil is the blood flowing through that body. That is not a bad thing. YOu can try to make it a bad thing by saying it's use causes environmental damage and there may be som truth to that. We should minimiz...

I don't understand why you want to translate my comment into things I did not say.

How did I do that. You said you were not "interested in bringing down the price of oil".

Americans have become addicted to oil.

We are not "addicted" to oil any more than we are addicted to our families, success, communities, productivity, innovation, scientific advancement, society, or liberty. It just so happens oil, like air or water, is vital. If the wolrld is a body, then oil is the blood flowing through that body. That is not a bad thing. YOu can try to make it a bad thing by saying it's use causes environmental damage and there may be som truth to that. We should minimize it. However, there is no global environmental catastrophe.

The fact the Earth becomes a cleaner planet wiht each passing decade. If we are addicted to anything, we are addicted to the idea that humans are the center of the universe and everything we do affects the universe. Absurd.

As AL Gore suggests, "we are affecting the balance of nature in the universe". Bovine Scatology!

We are stagnated in the fossil fuel era. We must break free of the
limitations of this limited resource. Harnessing a renewable clean
energy source is imperative to our childrens future.

This is a reasonable comment. I agree. I do not see that we achieve these ends by any other means other than capitalism and the free market.

I'm not as interested in bringing down the price of oil as I am in seeing this country use less oil

as interested as does not equal uninterested or uncaring about suffering


You asked if I did not care that people are suffering. I care about the suffering of others-I only ask that you not make conclusions based on things I did not say, but you imply.

I never said I am happy that people are suffering. I care but I don't equate it with higher oil, but with addiction to over-using the resource, which entrenches us in a conflict with the middle east. I'd be surprised if you said the current pain in this economy is not related to the middle east. The potential...

I'm not as interested in bringing down the price of oil as I am in seeing this country use less oil

as interested as does not equal uninterested or uncaring about suffering


You asked if I did not care that people are suffering. I care about the suffering of others-I only ask that you not make conclusions based on things I did not say, but you imply.

I never said I am happy that people are suffering. I care but I don't equate it with higher oil, but with addiction to over-using the resource, which entrenches us in a conflict with the middle east. I'd be surprised if you said the current pain in this economy is not related to the middle east. The potential blind spot of many Americans about the connection between our oil over- consumption and the current challenges will cause more suffering one day if we don't address it. Withdrawals cause temporary suffering but better long term outcomes. We are as a group addicted to oil. Let's see the country try to stop using it for one month, if we do, then I'll change my mind, and be happy to do so.

In the meantime, I have some learning to do. Can you please point me to the studies that show that the planet becomes cleaner with each passing decade? Thanks in advance.