 Spiritualmonkey says: This was the thread that led to my asking Clipmarks for clarification on their comment deletion policy. It's official. Antara, and any clipper, is allowed to delete any comment on clips they initiate, for any reason or none at all. I personally maintain a "No personal attacks against other clippers" policy as my only reason for censoring comments. But if I just don't like you, your politics, your hair-color, your religion, your ethnicity, sexual orientation, your city of birth, the facts you offer... I can delete your comments, no consequences. The deletion pop-up reads Please only remove comments that appear to be spam or that you believe to be unquestionably outside the bounds of civility.But that's only a suggestion. I think this will lead to less discussion and a even more negativity and hostility between clippers, and I do hope Clipmarks reconsiders. Oh give it a rest will ya......you don't have to throw a tantrum just because you didn't get the outcome you wanted. If you had actually cared one iota about people deleting clips as a principle, you would have called for Brightlight to reinstate the numerous deleted clips on her thread. Yet in that matter, the silence from you ALL was deafening. Which leads to the obvious conclusion that this was personal, you only care when YOUR precious words are tampered with, lol So I say: Good for Clipmarks! See ya around  You're correct about Brightlight, and what she did did not foster discussion of the issues. But the decision is in and I thought it was worth pursuing. Have a nice life. Anyone who would feel the need to remove a comment just because it contains an opposing idea is a coward who is full of fear. The question that needs asked is why they don't feel there own idea's have enough merit that an opposing idea would be such a threat? Shame on you Clipfather's for giving such abusive powers to fearful clippers who hold the greatest doubts about their own beliefs and ideas. How about that one, eg. Are you laughing hysterically? I am. Good grief, the gall! You know what you could do is flip the comments upside down, like this. punoɹɐ ɐʎ ǝǝs "any clipper, is allowed to delete any comment on clips they initiate, for any reason or none at all" That's what I thought. Good. I preempt all the drama by simply blocking clippers who I know contribute nothing but discord and bile to my life and I have no problem with anyone doing the same to me. We're all just 'ships passing in the night', nothing more. I wasn't going to weigh in on any of this, but michellezm gave me pause. Apparently, by her action of blocking my comments (without any direct confrontation I recall) I add only discord and bile to her life. So be it. In spite of that, she has chosen to save at least a few of my recent clips to her collection. I'd like to respectfully request that she either cease that practice and remove my clips from her collection or face up to the fact that there is a bit of sanctimony in her perspective. Just calling them as I see them. So be it. In spite of that, she has chosen to save at least a few of my ditto That's petty, Bartendingbear. Why can't someone simultaneously save clips they find interesting and spare themselves the comments they do not. You're clips are far superior to your comments. michellezm's actions are perfectly understandable. Get over yourselves BB and JW. Your egos cannot possibly be so fragile as to depend upon my pops or comments. After all, we are interested in the substance of the clips and not the clipper per se (unless of course the clipper has something interesting or entertaining to add). I can and I will continue to save your clips that I find interesting. Besides, you may 'own' your clip, but you don't own it's content. Well said. Thank you Wilhelm. As I said... sanctimonious. That's your judgment and it means nothing to me. It's also interesting to know that you two have been checking up on my clips. Mmmm, I wonder why - especially in light of the fact that you make is patently clear you loath Christians, and in JW's case, me specifically.. I'd have thought you'd both go out of your way to give me as wide a berth as I am giving you. Let's just be happy trawling around Clipmarks, gathering all the good information, and getting on with our lives. Remember, we're but ships passing in the night - nothing more, nothing less. . and in JW's case, me specificallyAnd why would that be? Maybe because you called me a hypocrite and a liar falsley? I don't block you from commenting on my clips. You block me, because you are mistaken about something you think you "know". Sounds a bit like your faith, don't it? Get over it JW and move on. I have. Is that an apology? @ spiritualmonkey sorry for the bitching on your clip. Please feel free to disemvowel, invert, delete, whatever. Actually on second thought it is. I give you the benefit of the doubt here. And if I am truly mistaken then I offer you an unreserved apology. That's the least I can do. So, John Waterman, I hereby apologize for misjudging you. I am sorry. Can we now move on, please? Thank you michelle Clean slate.  Can't say we'll agree on much, but I'll try to stay polite. x Clean slate. Unblocked. Damn we sound like an old bickering married couple. My ship is sending your ship "Happiness all round" signals. we sound like an old bickering married coupleHey, If I'd got on as well with my ex as I do you with you my life would have a whole lot better (maybe)  Don't you believe it. I can tell, we would have killed each other. (Hug). But I must say you clip great stuff. In the spirit of forgiveness, I'll go back and make amends by popping all your fabulous clips I've saved. Oh common guys. Just reclip the same and post your comment. Why cry over deleted comments on someone else's clip? I don't get it. I've been blocked by clippers for making comments they don't like. What I had trouble with is that the clips weren't even theirs, and the comments weren't directed at them. I have blocked a couple of clippers who made very nasty personal remarks in the comments of my clips directed at me personally. I have also blocked people who have used my clips as a way of gaining sympathy for themselves and as a way of using my clips as a yahoo type message centre with other clippers. Are these reason enough, I think so. good for you tanya you have found the way that makes your clipmarks experience work for you that's all we can do A clipper is in essence running their own mini-blog of article clips, and will likely monitor it the same and various ways that all other bloggers do, i.e. very arbitrarily and differently from others standards. Freedom to delete is their own prerogative, and everyone has one time or other bothered others by making use of it. There is no "solution" except complete freedom to monitor your own clip. If others do not like it, they do not have to read it. Clipmarks has permitted the most freedom to monitor, which is good for the clipper, who is their customer. I've been blocked by clippers for making comments they don't like. What I had trouble with is that the clips weren't even theirs --tanyammThat's impossible. Nobody can delete comments from clips not their own. Please check, you are most likely mistaken. I agree with blueridge above. We all have our own clip stream and if I clip something than that's mine (technically it isn't I know). If I don't like someone's comment on my clipped clip than I should be able to delete/remove that comment however I deem necessary. I think this is a must-have feature and I'm glad we have it. This is also the reason why I fail to understand why cry over deleted comments on someon... If you are going to "distort" the content of ones comment, it is ,I think, a derogatory action. It belittles the commenter. The comment should have been simply deleted. Devoweling it was an act of instigation, as if someone had put a cork in his mouth while he was talking. It was rude. But there shouldn't be a law against rudeness. We have too many laws as it is. I think it was simply an act of hate. I have always treated Clipmarks as a blog. Each person gets his own page, comments moderation, RSS, email. What else one wants? It's another matter that the Google index here is not as great as Wordpress or any other blogging platform and unfortunately Clipmarks owners never marketed this platform well as social-networking platform and now we have Amplify. But I still get more views and attention here than I get on Amplify or anywhere else. I still like it here although many old timers have disappeared. What I meant was, I made a comment on someone's clip and they didn't like it, so they blocked me on their clips. Well Tanya, what can you do? Just keep on clipping, popping and commenting. The place wouldn't be the same without you okay thanks {tanyamm}}, that makes sense. I'd agree with {JohnWaterman}}, this is a huge place and there's always a nice neighbor around. That was really sweet how John and Michellezm interacted! I want to apologize to you also Michellezm. You have been a good friend to me and you know my email address and can write me anytime I'm sorry if I came off brazen in Antara's clip but I'm very protective of my family and I hope you understand that. Believe it or not, it really makes me feel bad about myself to hold resentments against others. I don't like the way it makes me feel about myself when I lower myself to that level and I don't like taking the humanity away from another person. I sincerely mean that. As sweetie, no hard feelings. All's forgiven, all's forgotten. I'm fond of you. Nothing changes that. Big hug. correction ... ah, sweetie .... ((((((((((Michellezm))))))))))) — Comment removed by clipper — well Kat, if you found the devoweling so offensive---then why did you not take your complaints to the person who started this practice in the first place : Spiritual Monkey, LOL!!! Funny how that works, eh?You refuse to get the point, don't you. I disemvowel personal attacks against other clippers, you do it to silence discussion that you don't want to get aired. I'm trying to encourage civil discussion, you're trying to shut it down. Fundamental difference. s fr dbbslmysk cllng m nms yt gn, I just continue to smile at the massive hypocrite she is who says nothing still about brightlights clips, even though spiritualmonkey had the spine to admit I was right. Why ha... I don't care how much you whine, do you really think your post was that important, lol.... I just thought it would be good "craic" to give you a bit of taste of your own devowling tactics.... And its truly wonderful to see how much you enjoyed it!!! I don't care how much you whine, do you really think your post was that important, lol....Really? than that makes this so much easier. To quote the "Block User pop-up (though is too, I would guess is "just a suggestion" and not actual Clipmarks policy): This option is intended for use in cases where you recognize a pattern of malicious behavior that makes it impossible for you to enjoy your Clipmarks experience. It is not intended to prevent opposing views or as a way to personally punish someone you don't agree ... BTW, thanks to (almost) everyone who chimed in on this discussion. The whole point of this was about getting more voices heard and opinions expressed, as opposed to the converse. In more than one place Clipmarks appears to maintain a "free speech – only delete truly offensive comments" policy, in particular the text in the deletion and blocking pop-up windows. And I searched the FAQ for any info on comment deletion policy and found nothing. Given what Clipmarks puts in its pop-ups, I think I was not wholly off-base in the position I took, that disabling comments without cause was against the TOS. The fact that Clipmarks' actual policies is at odds with the official text offered in... Further, to the clippers who suggest "Just reclip it and comment on your own", that fundamentally misses the point. It's not about getting one's comment to appear in association with a particular article, it's engaging in the discussion of the article that's at issue. If there's already a discussion being engaged and the clipper suddenly decides "No, I'm not going to let your opinion be expressed because I don't like your politics/race/gender/whatever, or I just want to fuck with you" and deletes the comment, that's dishonest argumentation and I call bullshit. Now, Clipmarks policy seems to be fine with what I consider bullshit. That's what is. But I think that Clipmarks has some manner o... We can agree to disagree here but I believe each clipper is sitting on his/her own island here and there is no public square manned by any authority. The rules are defined by the technical functionality available to each user. We all have rights to use those functions however we want. To Katsteevns and others who have referred to disemvoweling as "distorting" comments: The purpose of disemvoweling is to make it difficult but not impossible to read the comment. Disemvoweling has a different impact than deletion. Its intention is to slow the reader down, so that the immediate emotional impact of an inflammatory comment is lessened. Reading it requires the head as well as the gut, but it's still comprehensible content.And the reason for disemvoweling, rather than deleting: [url=http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006871.html#98136]It is rather hard to prove that you... We can agree to disagree here but I believe each clipper is sitting on his/her own island here and there is no public square manned by any authority. The rules are defined by the technical functionality available to each user. We all have rights to use those functions however we want.The ruling from Clipmarks agrees with your position. It would be nice if the text they offered in the deletion and blocking pop-ups were more in line with that position instead of implying something else. I think we can agree that whatever the policy is, it's far from clearly stated by CM. I don't really know what's stated by CM and where. I am just stating my common sense logic. Thanks. I quite often find the comments as interesting as the clips! They say and tell a lot about people! (Hidden message above) I quite often find the comments as interesting as the clips! They say and tell a lot about people!I love reading comments as much as the clips. The comments, though, say nothing, nada, zilch about people, only what they think and how passionately they may feel. The cumulative nature of hundreds of comments may tell you something about people. However, on the smaller scale, I think perceived reactions and ones own perceptions and internalizing about the comments is really the only thing revealed to you. How much wisdom is there to be gained to be gained when people refuse to be offended and insulted. Such a crutch, and an easy way to wallow in ignorance. Epidemic. How much wisdom is there to be gained to be gained when people refuse to be offended and insulted.You're not pushing the right buttons. I quite often find the comments that people make as interesting as the clips, and sometimes even more interesting! They say and tell a lot about people! Like............... only what they think and how passionately they may feel. The cumulative nature of hundreds of comments may tell you something about people. I agree with you Ofcapri. How much wisdom is there to be gained to be gained when people refuse to be offended and insulted.Rich, from you willie. Very rich. Speaks volumes. I agree with having the ability to delete comments, but not necessarily the actual practice of it. Similar to how there's things I won't do personally, but that doesn't mean I think they should be illegal. How much wisdom is there to be gained to be gained when people refuse to be offended and insulted.How much serious interest in actually discussing an issue can there be if someone is making it personal and hurling insults? What kind of "wisdom" comes from attacking the person rather than the positions they take and the evidence they offer? Are you really arguing that insults and personal attacks are a valid, affirmative technique for discussing contentious issues? Such a crutch, and an easy way to wallow in ignorance. Epidemic.No Wilhelm, I scream "bullshit" on the validity of your assertions. What I interpret your position to be (from your point of view) ... I predicted this long ago when they brought out blocking and deleting. I suggested reporting instead so that there would be more uniform enforcement across the site. On the other hand, this is less work for them. I just wish they could bring back the option to block even seeing other people's clips. If I can't comment on them I would rather not see them at all. Oh ya, and stop e-mailing me when someone whose comments I have blocked makes a comment on a clip I am monitoring. Kinda defeats the purpose. Rich, from you willie. Very rich. Speaks volumes.Bartender, you are being a moron. I never get offended or insulted. In fact, I don't think I would know what it would feel like. How much serious interest in actually discussing an issue can there be if someone is making it personal and hurling insults?Well, spiritfunkymonkey, I think you would need to go back and read my thousands of comments. I only call idiots, idiots. There is nothing wrong with that. Unless, of course, you are intolerant of other's opinions. No Wilhelm, I scream "bullshit" on the validity of your assertions.That's fine. Just come at them with at least slightest hint of... “It is not he who reviles or strikes you who insults you, but your opinion that these things are insulting.” “It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.” Epictetus Wow, Jeffrey likes it when people tell them exactly what they think. Good, here is what I think. I think you'd rather throw your mother out of a nursing home and your kid into a hostile fire before you'd raise the tax rate. I think you have a problem with paying your fair share and I think you want a free ride. Well, guess what? If you want to enjoy the blessing of living in this great country, you have to help paying for them by digging deep into your pocket to make them available. You may think your rights are free for the asking but their not. You aspire to be one of those greedy bastards that wants something for nothing with all the advantages of liberty without paying the price ... Just like I said, the surest sign of one who does nothing for others is the one who points the finger and says others should do more. I suspect I devote more time, energy, and resources to others and charities than anyone here. I also suspect that you do zilch because that is a foundational characteristic of idiot-leftists. I further suspect that 'thinking' is not among your highest of skills, but thanks anyway. Please see my recent clip about my 3 favorite charities. I am sure one or all can expect a hefty check from you in the near future, where almost 100% of the money will go to helping someone in need. Not like your "caring" government where 4 cents of every dollar goes to help someone... In order to donate and volunteer regularly, one must have the resources and time. What part of the system are you getting your resources from? This is the question. Because if your assets are coming from an industry that is detrimental to human well being, receives corporate welfare or requires you to compromise your conscience in some way, it is as if you are throwing the baby out with the bath water. You are wasting your time as if your bicycle's training wheels are holding your drive wheel off the ground. You are canceling yourself out like 2 oppositely charged ions. @willhelm i have limited resources but i volunteer much of my time to help people out at a homeless shelter and provide transportation to several people to go shopping, doctors, work, etc, Though i don,t contribute $$$ i do provide them with transportation. i also provide help to the elderly by delivering food from our local food bank and assist them in areas that i can. If everyone did half as much as you, ofcapri, we wouldn't have very many problems at all. Unfortunately, as you move from right (libertarian) to left (statist), the willingness of individuals to do for others decreases dramatically. If that is true, which I doubt, it might be because the left doesn't tend to feed off the empire like the right. This gives it the resources to delude itself into thinking it is fostering change. In actuality, they are merely just keeping up appearances kind of like the way fascism does. Fascism claims to be looking out for the many when it is really protecting the interests of the few. Out of one side of their mouth, they say the poor are undeserving. Out of the other, they call themselves philanthropists. Well I try to stay out of this as there are obviously issues here that were around long before I joined this site. My little bit of input would be this. Instead of moderating each other, how about moderating yourselves a little. To quote the Legendary Bill Hicks "I'm not telling you how to live, I'm just suggesting that there is perhaps a better way" Now I'm not saying I'm perfect, very far from it in fact, which is no doubt obvious by my comments on various religious clips, but then I'm not attacking a person but an ideology(s) instead and I do try not to comment if I cannot add anything of value. But alas I'm only human and temptation occasionally will get the better of me. Whi... |
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