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The guy was a bigot but there is no reason for this meanspiritedness. Let him rest in peace. Judgement is between him and God. Ah yes the founder of the moral majority which was neither moral nor a majority. However at this time I am reminded of the old saying, "If you cannot say anything good about a person than it is best to say nothing at all". And with that saying in mind: ................................. ".................................." My sentiments exactly. I've been trying really hard to "break it" to people without hints of laughter slipping into my voice. To avoid speaking ill of the dead I'll chime in with those who say ".........................". I see that for a few of you the commitment to say nothing ill of the dead only applies to this clip, but that you can't help but comment and pop other clips which do just that. I think that says just as much about you as you are saying about Falwell. Sorry n2sooners Jerry, I mean the devil made me do it.  So now we can't even Pop the dead? I'm not saying you can or can't do anything. This is America after all. I'm just talking about saying you aren't going to say anything ill of the dead in this clip and then saying it in other clips and popping clips that do it seems a bit hypocritical. It is like you are condemning what those people that I clipped about said, but support what other people say when it is just as bad. If you are going to speak ill of him, no reason why you should pretend you aren't in this clip. I can imagine the temptation though. I don't know how I would handle the temptation to speak ill of the dead if Michael Moore were to keel over today.  Comparing Michael Moore to Jerry Falwell is I think bit of a stretch, don't you think? But anyway, I see your point. I have been popping all the 'funny' sort of Falwell clips and have clipped myself some profound ones, and I have yet to speak ill on any of them. I reserve the rights to be sarcastic of course and so does everyone else who never liked Falwells of this world, either dead or alive. I feel sorry that people are speaking ill all of a sudden when the guy is dead, I'd rather see people call spade a spade in their lifetime. I feel bad that I don't feel bad. Why is it considered bad to "speak ill of the dead" if people believe that they deserved it in life? How does death negate their life's actions, good or bad? He was a bigot & a low-life. The earth is better without him... See n2, I have no issues with slagging him.. dead or alive off topic tangent (ott): Apparently they are making a "dead or alive" movie? That's gonna suck... Why is it considered bad to "speak ill of the dead" if people believe that they deserved it in life? How does death negate their life's actions, good or bad?It isn't so much the speaking, but the timing. It is the celebration of one's death just because you didn't like some things that person said. I even saw one clip comparing him to Hitler as if saying a few crazy things is comparable to killing millions of Jews. For me there is just a period there where the 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' really does apply, if not for respect of the person, at least for respect of the family. But mostly I was just pointing out that some who clai... As skwirl said yesterday, seems the riot has already started. The man touched many people's hearts, what can you do. I feel bad that I don't feel bad.I wouldn't feel bad about not feeling bad. Truth is, I don't really feel that bad about his death and feel more for the family. It is just the celebration of his death as if he were an evil dictator who killed millions that disturbs me. It kinda goes along the lines of how many were upset that Cheney didn't get killed recently. Wishing death on those you dislike and then celebrating it is just in poor taste. Ranks right up there with joking about raping a woman you don't like. But mostly I was just pointing out that some who claimed they would say nothing at all really did either directly or indirectly.So, I guess I'm a villian for being pleased by the fact that someone chose to remind us of the actual words of the recently dead. If he was concerned that his family would be hurt by those words if thrown in their face following his death, that may be good reason for him to have considered that he perhaps shouldn't have spoken them in the first place. I am confident that none of the Kennedy clan was pained beyond the reminder of their loss by hearing "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." So, I guess I'm a villian for being pleased by the fact that someone chose to remind us of the actual words of the recently dead.Actually, I didn't count that clip. I haven't checked, but some of the responses may have been of poor taste, but the clip itself said nothing. It just contained some of the most crazy things he said during his life. I might have popped a similar clip containing the crazy quotes of someone I disliked if they died. But I wouldn't pop or post a clip comparing that person to Hitler or something similar just because I didn't like some of the crazy things that person said. To get right to the point regarding my sentiments regarding Falwell's timely departure I shall paraphrase Mark Twain: " Although I shall not be attending the funeral, I heartily approve of it" POP for Soc. n2sooners said: For me there is just a period there where the 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' really does apply, if not for respect of the person, at least for respect of the family.I feel the same way. Give the body a chance to cool and the family some respectful silence before bashing the deceased in public. I'm not much for dancing on graves, especially fresh ones. WOW! I don't know much about Falwell except that he didn't teach truth but then I don't have T.V. I didn't realize he was so icky. I popped this. It was quite informative Pop for Soc....Falwell was an evil suminabitch... You know, if the left had half the hatred for terrorism that they have for Falwell, they would be the hawks in the war on terror. You know, if the left had half the hatred for terrorism that they haveYou know what ... This is quite disgusting. The hatred is so pathetic. EG, emailed me and threatened to cancel my account based on my comments. Yes, I'm sure I've had my share of inappropriate remarks. However, NOTHING like comes my way on a regular basis. He also said I was blocking others.... well, he was wrong and admitted so. He said I was following users that had a PI of a nude woman and chastised me for not calling attention to it ( like that is my job ) and I knew of no such PI. Now I'm attacked by others here and if I respond, EG says he w... wilhelm, you are one strange dude. I just scrolled above and I see no comment from you except your last one above. What in the world are you talking about under a clip which is supposedly on the death of Falwell? You know you keep blaming LEFT for every ill in this world, let me just say that RIGHT is so god damn sensitive all the time. When are you going to see things based on human beings and all our psychology? What is this talk about right and left? I'm not feeling bad because you may have left due to your own sensitivities. People ought to grow up and stand with your principles. But being a so called bleeding heart liberal I may be, I feel sad that you feel such a way. wilhelm, you are one strange dude.I guarantee that you would not say that to my face. These personal attacks are so petty. What in the world are you talking about under a clip which is supposedly on the death of Falwell?Perhaps if you had a better capacity to understand context you would understand this clip is not about Falwell's death. It was about reactions to his death. I'm sure there is a basic reasoning class you can audit somewhere near you. I'm not feeling bad because you may have left due to your own okay wilhelm, I'm at least glad that you are still around (seems they have not banned you yet, and I wonder why would they, unless you're over reacting). Now that you may consider this last sentence of mine as a personal attack, and now that I don't have much to say to you anyway, let me spare you further of my personal attacks. BTW, thanks for correcting me that the clip under the discussion is not about Falwell's death but about the reaction of his death. I stand corrected. And yes, I would say the same to your face because I wasn't really making a personal attack by saying "you are a strange dude", I will say it to your face as well, because there's nothing personal about it. Chow for now. since M Scott Peck is your "guru" I have no interest in what you think.I'm not surprised that you have a dislike for Mr. Peck, he was obviously not following the status quo of his practiced religion, though I don't know much about it, but given that he was sort of a radical in his views, I'm not surprised that you have a dislike of him. BTW, now that you have brought Peck into this, and since we have (actually you have) sort of hijacked this thread with another topic, let me just point out one advise which Peck has given for this kind of situations. The absolute worst thing one can do in any kind of community environment where there are misunderstandings, is to leave. This is applicable for the host as well because Peck advises that the host should do everything possible to hold the person in and not let him/her go away due to misunderstandings or emotions. People can go through good and bad emotions but the requirement is to hang on and stay regardless of how difficult it may be. The whole premise falls down the mome... I have no problem with M Scott Peck. I actually read his Road Less Traveled book years and years ago and enjoyed it. My first choice was Deepak Chopra whose books I've also read and find utterly embarrasing for him. I just couldn't think of his name at the time. And, I guarantee you would not say that to my face. Regardless of your attempts to marginalize the personal nature of the remark. |
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