Beirut op-ed: Saddam execution proves US hates Arabs

We can only hope that the U.S. and Bush administration do not become synonymous in the eyes of the world.

As long as there are guys like you all here at clipmarks and other social sites I think not. I have a lot of german friends who say that "they love the american people" but absolutely dislike BuSSh and his gangsta gang. And that's how I feel too. NSA and FBI, read my lips: I love your country, your music, your culture, your people. Hell yeah. But I give a f* about Bush.

1-8-2007 10:49 AM

aren't you the same moron that thinks theres been 500,000 non-combative deaths in Iraq? Yup. that's you!

Try learning the reality of the situation before posting this nonsense.

1-8-2007 11:20 AM

Thanks, mike, great contribution to the dialogue here. Great to have you around.

1-8-2007 12:52 PM

How about this then, enbar?

The US DID NOT try, convict and hang Saddam. The Iraqi government did.

The US DID NOT hang Saddam before he was able to finish his prayers, the Iraqis did.

Just how did we orchestrate that? Did Bush call up the guy with the camera phone and tell him to take a crappy video of the hanging and post it all over the world? Wow.

1-8-2007 12:57 PM

Listen, Mike, take it up with the author of the editorial, not with me, you jackass. I posted this because I think it's important to realize how things are being perceived in other parts of the world, not because I believe every op-ed I read. It's not a hard distinction to make, unless you're a fool. Go back to your cigar boards and let the grownups talk here on Clipmarks.

1-8-2007 1:23 PM

n2sooners

Too bad there aren't many grownups here at clipmarks. Way more people who let their world be dictated by their obsessive hatred for G.W. Bush.

1-8-2007 5:34 PM

good work, enbar. You can use Google!

Do you know why America is perceived as the great Satan by the eyes of Middle East? Because of people like you who'd rather let someone else fight the fight, or ignore it and let the problem continue.

Don't worry that there are hundreds of thousands of Muslim fanatics who really don't want peace at all with any non believer. You have two choices, according to the Koran. They kill you, you convert or you pay them tribute until you either convert or die. That's it. Look it up, it's all spelled out plain as day.

By the way, don't post clips of you don't want to get into a discussion about what you present.

1-8-2007 5:41 PM

Godfrey Daniel

Mike, with clips this ridiculous, I advise simply enjoying the humor of it.

1-9-2007 9:32 AM

UpStateMike, I have no idea what you're talking about now. Is this...

Do you know why America is perceived as the great Satan by the eyes of Middle East? Because of people like you who'd rather let someone else fight the fight, or ignore it and let the problem continue.

... supposed to make sense? You seem to be a little confused about the relationship between Muslim extremism and Iraq. Saddam Hussein was one of al-Qaeda's biggest villains until we came along and gave them a common enemy.

And if you look around, you'll see I'm happy to get into discussions about whatever topics. Normally, though, if I'm interested in having a "discussion," I don't start out by calling someone a moron, as you just did.

1-9-2007 9:40 AM

arifsali

Did you see the new video just came out? If this is the climax for the billions (trillions may be) spent by US, just to see a guy being hanged and taken revenge on by his real enemies, then Americans are looking more ridiculous on the world stage than anything else. After all this, I'd rather have Americans take the loot of oil and run then being dragged on in unnecessary war.

1-9-2007 10:05 AM

I'll tell you what, Enbar, I apologize for calling you a moron.

I think you are wrong and twist articles and statements around, and we'll have to agree to disagree.

The clipper of this article seems bent on saying "Look! EVERYONE HATES AMERICA!" You support it. I don't.

You said there was a half a million civilians killed in Iraq, I called you on it, using probably the furthest leftist website about the numbers I found to say it's no more than 50K.

I will continue to call you on these "facts", so if you and others continue to use this place to hold up your protest signs, be ready to support your "facts".

1-9-2007 10:41 AM

OK, apology accepted. As long as you're talking about "supporting 'facts,'" how about explaining this?

Do you know why America is perceived as the great Satan by the eyes of Middle East? Because of people like you who'd rather let someone else fight the fight, or ignore it and let the problem continue.

First, what does it mean, and second, how do you know?

1-9-2007 12:00 PM

How do I know that if we don't go after the terrorist Jihadists they won't try to kill us?

Because that's the message their clerics preach every single day to the little boys in the "classroom". Kill the great Satan which is all of the west that has not converted to Islam.

How many articles do you want me to cite?

1-9-2007 12:05 PM

pishisaurus

First of all, Saddam will have lots of time to perform all kinds of prayers in hell. Then the Arab world must be thankful to get rid of him. But I can't understand the words of hatred exchanged between grownups here. Calling names is wrong!!!

1-9-2007 12:13 PM

LGagnon

I think that, in any case, it's fair to like the people and hate the government. In the vast majority of cases, the two aren't really connected with each other outside of loyalty to the country (and even then, both are just referring to loyalty to themselves, which is really only a good thing in the case of the people).

"Governments in general do not represent the people of the societies that they govern. And since they don’t represent the people and since they act against the interest of the people, the only way they can hold power is if they lie to the people. If they told people the truth, they wouldn’t last very long." -- Howard Zinn

1-9-2007 12:36 PM

How do I know that if we don't go after the terrorist Jihadists they won't try to kill us?

Because that's the message their clerics preach every single day to the little boys in the "classroom". Kill the great Satan which is all of the west that has not converted to Islam.

Once again:
Saddam Hussein was one of al-Qaeda's biggest villains until we came along and gave them a common enemy.

And so you know exactly what "they" teach in their classrooms, right?

Who do you mean with "they" and do you really believe that all muslims are fascist like their fanatics are? Do you mean the "Jihad teachers" or what?

1-9-2007 12:49 PM

UpStateMike:

How do I know that if we don't go after the terrorist Jihadists they won't try to kill us?

I think you probably meant to say "will try to kill us" instead of "won't try to kill us," but even with this clarification, this doesn't even come close to what I asked. You wrote that America "is perceived as the great Satan by the eyes of Middle East" and you said that the reason is "people like you who'd rather let someone else fight the fight, or ignore it and let the problem continue." I asked, and am still wondering, whether you can explain and justify this remark. It seems totally illogical to me.

1-9-2007 1:49 PM

TheCatWhisperer

It seems illogical because it is illogical...

"is perceived as the great Satan by the eyes of Middle East"

Um, really.. I don't believe it... I know there are a great number who do think it (Hell I think Bush is Satan, but that's just me..) but to generalize to that extent is just ignorant.

"people like you who'd rather let someone else fight the fight, or ignore it and let the problem continue."

Fight what? Who are you fighting right now? You are fighting insurgents who are attempting to wrestle back control of a country you stole. (well, two countries actually, let us not forget Afghanistan)

You went into Iraq under the guise of finding WMDs, then Figh...

1-9-2007 4:31 PM

The Jihad movement has the goal of converting the planet to their version of Islam. If you don't agree with them, you're going to be killed. Even if you are a Moslem, you're going to be killed if you don't subscribe to their brand of the interpretation of the Koran.

We, meaning anyone that doesn't want to become one of them, is fair game for them to kill.

We can fight them now or deal with them later. I'd rather fight them now.

1-9-2007 4:36 PM

I'd rather fight nobody. Fighting is never the best way, dude.

1-9-2007 4:40 PM

n2sooners

Sometimes it is the only way.

1-9-2007 4:44 PM

arifsali

While you fight them, make sure you let your President know that he should stop supporting his Saudi friends, because they're the ones funding all these Wahabi/Jihadi fundies. You know they said they destroyed the finance of all the Jihadis: BS, Saudi Arabia still funds and support all these radicals who would kill you any day if you don't subscribe to their interpretation of Quran.

It is one thing to have a clear conscious, it is quiet another to be right.

1-9-2007 5:16 PM

LGagnon

@UpStateMike

Your comments sound a lot like the anti-terrorism statements that Hitler made. Hitler launched a war because he perceived a terrorist threat that wasn't there. He claimed the Allies were actually terrorists, and that the Germans had to constantly fight them or else they'd force their way of life onto the "superior" people.

And, like in that case, you conservatives are advocating that we commit terrorism in response. You call it "war" so that it sounds good, but it's the same exact actions that terrorists commit, except on a larger scale.

If anyone is in league with the terrorists, it's definitely the right-wing.

1-9-2007 5:49 PM