Before there was a creation story, Jesus story or any other story concerning humankind there was God. Therefore God is the author of human history. In reality it is all His Story.

I got that from the outset when you said: "In the beginning (before there was time) God created the heavens and the earth." etc.. But that doesn't make the bible original if it was plagiarized from past religions. Does it?

To a non-believer like yourself who would think that humankind evolved from some lower life form I can see how a simple fact like this would escape you.

Nope, it didn't escape me. It's just that so far even if I was a believer, or didn't think mankind evolved, or ev...

Before there was a creation story, Jesus story or any other story concerning humankind there was God. Therefore God is the author of human history. In reality it is all His Story.

I got that from the outset when you said: "In the beginning (before there was time) God created the heavens and the earth." etc.. But that doesn't make the bible original if it was plagiarized from past religions. Does it?

To a non-believer like yourself who would think that humankind evolved from some lower life form I can see how a simple fact like this would escape you.

Nope, it didn't escape me. It's just that so far even if I was a believer, or didn't think mankind evolved, or even if the creation story was not a myth...

It doesn't make the bible original if it was plagiarized from other religions. Does it?

In other words, everything you've said has no bearing (that I can tell) on the originality of a book!

(BTW, to refer to something as fact that is not verifiable would be dishonest, wouldn't it?)
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Where do you think humankind came from?

Ultimately? God.

It doesn't make the bible original if it was plagiarized from other religions. Does it?

Using
your argument then we would have to conclude that other religions who
copied the bible narrative would have plagarized the original story but
in your way of thinking the original is the plagarized work while the
plagarizers are considered inventive?

It can not be both ways. Either God started the whole thing or He did
not. Because I believe God started it all then ANY STORY, no matter
what, if it pertains to human orgin and destiny has to have originated
with the author GOD himself. Not to believe that is well DISHONEST.

(BTW, to refer to something as fact that is not veri...

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It doesn't make the bible original if it was plagiarized from other religions. Does it?

Using
your argument then we would have to conclude that other religions who
copied the bible narrative would have plagarized the original story but
in your way of thinking the original is the plagarized work while the
plagarizers are considered inventive?

It can not be both ways. Either God started the whole thing or He did
not. Because I believe God started it all then ANY STORY, no matter
what, if it pertains to human orgin and destiny has to have originated
with the author GOD himself. Not to believe that is well DISHONEST.

(BTW, to refer to something as fact that is not verifiable would be dishonest, wouldn't it?)

Fortunately for me then I have proof that God exsists and that Jesus actually lived and died and rose again from the dead. Not so sure if there is proof that those mythical gods ever exsisted.

But it is also proof enough that plagarized works exsist attesting to the original story. It is no surprise to me that copied works exsist because mankind has been attempting to imitate God for longer than you or I have lived on this planet. Supplanting true stories for myths and fables is nothing new and will continue until the end of time. For that matter Satan himself disquises himself as an angel of light and truth to deceive people into believing he is a messenger or truth.

It seems silly to me to imitate something if that something never exsisted in the first place. Imitators are not orginators. And orginators do not have to imitate.

IN conclusion so there is no misunderstanding. God wrote the original story all others are just retellings or plagarizations.

other religions who copied the bible narrative would have plagarized the original story but in your way of thinking the original is the plagarized work

No where near anything I've said... You're putting way too many words in my mouth. I stated if the bible is plagiarized, it cannot be original. Can it?

Start there and just answer the question. Can the bible (or anything) be ORIGINAL if it is plagiarized?

Yes ____
No ____

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Now we are on a different topic? You state:

Either God started the whole thing or He did not.

I agree.

Because I believe God started it all then ANY STORY, no matter what, if it pertains to human orgin and destiny has to hav...

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other religions who copied the bible narrative would have plagarized the original story but in your way of thinking the original is the plagarized work

No where near anything I've said... You're putting way too many words in my mouth. I stated if the bible is plagiarized, it cannot be original. Can it?

Start there and just answer the question. Can the bible (or anything) be ORIGINAL if it is plagiarized?

Yes ____
No ____

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Now we are on a different topic? You state:

Either God started the whole thing or He did not.

I agree.

Because I believe God started it all then ANY STORY, no matter what, if it pertains to human orgin and destiny has to have originated with the author GOD himself.

Nope. If I state a lie, can I say God is the liar, since he started it all?

But it is also proof enough that plagarized works exsist attesting to the original story.

That's right. So if the original story predates Christianity by a couple thousand years, it stands as evidence that Christianity is not the original story. (Thank you for proving my point.)

IN conclusion so there is no misunderstanding. God wrote the original story all others are just retellings or plagarizations.

Exactly!

That's why the bible is a plagiarization! (And an extremely poor one at that!)

Start there and just answer the question. Can the bible (or anything) be ORIGINAL if it is plagiarized?

No

That's right. So if the original story predates Christianity by a
couple thousand years, it stands as evidence that Christianity is not
the original story. (Thank you for proving my point.)

It is true the original story predates Christianity by many thousand of years because the story starts and ends with God who predates all time. The bible narrative is not a Christianity story it is a Jewish story. Just to clarify. Judaism predates Christianity by many thousands of years as well.

That's why the bible is a plagiarization! (And an extremely poor o...

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Start there and just answer the question. Can the bible (or anything) be ORIGINAL if it is plagiarized?

No

That's right. So if the original story predates Christianity by a
couple thousand years, it stands as evidence that Christianity is not
the original story. (Thank you for proving my point.)

It is true the original story predates Christianity by many thousand of years because the story starts and ends with God who predates all time. The bible narrative is not a Christianity story it is a Jewish story. Just to clarify. Judaism predates Christianity by many thousands of years as well.

That's why the bible is a plagiarization! (And an extremely poor one at that!)

And for the unlearned, the plagarized works is not the biblical narrative but the myths and legends and false religions that mimic the bible narrative. Also for the unlearned the bible contains writings from many generations it was not penned by one man at one time in one place. Of course most learned folks know this.

God wrote the original narrative which even Aces agrees with then his only point of contention is that Jesus is the Son of God who came to rescue fallen man from sin. Which by the way is the God narrative.

FOR GOD so loved the world (the one He created) that he sent his Son into it so that through him (Jesus) man might not peish but have everlasting life. LIFE from death. Redemption from sin. Restoration into a right relationship with God. A salvation not based on man's goodness but on God's. The only story that does not require sacrifce of man for the sacrifice was made once and for all by God himself through His son Jesus.

The authenticity of the narrative has been proven when said Messiah came to earth, born of a virgin, was crucified on a cross, buried in a borrowed tomb, and rose on the third day, later seen by many as proof and then rose into heaven.

Just like God said he would. The story is so grand and glorious other religions co

It is true the original story predates Christianity by many thousand of years because the story starts and ends with God who predates all time.

That's the ticket!

The bible narrative is not a Christianity story it is a Jewish story.
Just to clarify. Judaism predates Christianity by many thousands of
years as well.

And just to clarify further, it predates ALL the above by billions of years.

"the plagarized works is not the biblical narrative..."

I'm afraid it is, among many. You never watched Part 1 of Zeitgeist, did you?

Also for the unlearned the bible contains writings from many
generations it was not penned by one man at one time i...

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It is true the original story predates Christianity by many thousand of years because the story starts and ends with God who predates all time.

That's the ticket!

The bible narrative is not a Christianity story it is a Jewish story.
Just to clarify. Judaism predates Christianity by many thousands of
years as well.

And just to clarify further, it predates ALL the above by billions of years.

"the plagarized works is not the biblical narrative..."

I'm afraid it is, among many. You never watched Part 1 of Zeitgeist, did you?

Also for the unlearned the bible contains writings from many
generations it was not penned by one man at one time in one place. Of
course most learned folks know this.

That's EXACTLY what I'm trying to tell YOU. But you're insisting that it's somehow original.

God wrote the original narrative...

Okay, you're going backwards. You really need to learn more about the history of the bible and where those stories came from. Until you do this, you're just parroting what someone told you. Challenge yourself (unless you're afraid your faith is too weak) to learn about the history of it all FIRST.

I gave you an easy way to learn much about it quickly. You can also VERIFY any aspect about the video you until you are satisfied. But to remain unaware about a religion you say you're passionate about is just plain... wrong.

The authenticity of the narrative has been proven when said Messiah
came to earth, born of a virgin, was crucified on a cross, buried in a
borrowed tomb, and rose on the third day, later seen by many as proof
and then rose into heaven.

This is perfect!

Watch the video and you'll see something very interesting about this narrative.

Besides, if you start from where I suggest, it's only 20mins or so. But very educational to those with little historical context about the very story you cite!

Let me know what you think.

You never watched Part 1 of Zeitgeist, did you?

Yes I did. I found it humorous actually. And it does not change the facts one bit. Before people were God was. Therefore his plan for mankind was established before mankind ever was. ANY story written or told by anyone is just that a story unless that story actually reports actual events. Then it is history not myth or legend or some fantasy. In the case of the Jewish God the bible lists historical facts that can be proven. Therefore those portions of the bible are factual and can not be negated. They can be ignored but not negated.

As far as the narrative of this person Jesus, it is a fact a person by the name of Jesus lived a...

You never watched Part 1 of Zeitgeist, did you?

Yes I did. I found it humorous actually. And it does not change the facts one bit. Before people were God was. Therefore his plan for mankind was established before mankind ever was. ANY story written or told by anyone is just that a story unless that story actually reports actual events. Then it is history not myth or legend or some fantasy. In the case of the Jewish God the bible lists historical facts that can be proven. Therefore those portions of the bible are factual and can not be negated. They can be ignored but not negated.

As far as the narrative of this person Jesus, it is a fact a person by the name of Jesus lived and died. Now then it is up to you if you want to believe he was actually the son of God or not but you can not negate the fact that he lived.

I happen to believe Jesus is exactly who he said he was. Primarily because I have had an encounter with Him personally that changed my life. FOR me he is real and living. I can not speak for you.

Re: Faith

I meant it within the context of the scripture you respect.

Hbr 11:1 ¶ Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Things HOPED FOR (maybe I should have said a "want" to believe)... but for which one has seen no evidence of, (perhaps I should have said "in the absence of evidence", not regardless of it).

But it has been my experience that a faithful person rarely changes a belief "regardless" of the evidence.

So I'll correct my statement to: "Faith is based in a want to believe, in the absence of evidence."

Nevertheless, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. So it's based on hope though no evidenc...

Re: Faith

I meant it within the context of the scripture you respect.

Hbr 11:1 ¶ Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Things HOPED FOR (maybe I should have said a "want" to believe)... but for which one has seen no evidence of, (perhaps I should have said "in the absence of evidence", not regardless of it).

But it has been my experience that a faithful person rarely changes a belief "regardless" of the evidence.

So I'll correct my statement to: "Faith is based in a want to believe, in the absence of evidence."

Nevertheless, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. So it's based on hope though no evidence confirms it.

So be careful. When you say "ignorance is failure to believe inspite of the evidence", you're shooting yourself in the foot.

But it has been my experience that a faithful person rarely changes a belief
"regardless" of the evidence.

Interesting that is my experience as well. Rarely a person changes their belief regardless of facts.

So be careful. When you say "ignorance is failure to believe inspite of the
evidence", you're shooting yourself in the foot.

As far as myself is concerned I believe because the object of my faith has proven himself able to do exceedingly above anything I could ever ask for or seek after. I am well satisfied with the direction my life has taken since putting my faith in God. For me God is not some far off removed spiritual aperition. He is the true and li...

But it has been my experience that a faithful person rarely changes a belief
"regardless" of the evidence.

Interesting that is my experience as well. Rarely a person changes their belief regardless of facts.

So be careful. When you say "ignorance is failure to believe inspite of the
evidence", you're shooting yourself in the foot.

As far as myself is concerned I believe because the object of my faith has proven himself able to do exceedingly above anything I could ever ask for or seek after. I am well satisfied with the direction my life has taken since putting my faith in God. For me God is not some far off removed spiritual aperition. He is the true and living God walking with me and caring for me daily. I feel his presence and am ever reminded of his care. I am thankful for all He has done for me. I am just saddened that you have not had a living encounter with the one true God.

The church today is a poor representation of who God is and for that they will be held accountable. So if you want to talk about RELIGIONS of man I will probably agree with you more than I will disagree with you. I do not live by religious creed but by a living relationship with God through His spirit living within me leading me and guiding me into the paths of right living.