In British literature:

In the 1800s, Dickens, for all his social awareness, was less than kind to Jews; always making the point that Fagin was a Jew exploiting urchins and supporting criminals. He was a fence (a receiver of stolen goods) - the worst sort of criminal - without fences there would be no criminals...ergo fences ergo Fagin ergo Jews are bad. lol

Agatha Christie referred to people 'of the Hebrew persuasion' or 'someone obviously of the criminal classes'.

Chariots of Fire includes other examples of institutionalised antisemitism.

I came across it in the 50s at school. All Jews fled Europe because they were rich and could afford to. Never mind that m...

In British literature:

In the 1800s, Dickens, for all his social awareness, was less than kind to Jews; always making the point that Fagin was a Jew exploiting urchins and supporting criminals. He was a fence (a receiver of stolen goods) - the worst sort of criminal - without fences there would be no criminals...ergo fences ergo Fagin ergo Jews are bad. lol

Agatha Christie referred to people 'of the Hebrew persuasion' or 'someone obviously of the criminal classes'.

Chariots of Fire includes other examples of institutionalised antisemitism.

I came across it in the 50s at school. All Jews fled Europe because they were rich and could afford to. Never mind that most of them who perished were from eastern Europe and lived the lives of landless peasants in their shetls and ghettos within the Pale and with only their books and wit to defend themselves.
No contest against the ignorant and poor.

Forgive them Father. They know not what they do.

That was a good clip, blueridge. I just think we have to be careful with distinguishing between Jews and Zionists. There are many Christian Zionists. My own small involvement with debate about Israel has included friendships with Palestinians and Jews, and as your clip mentioned above demonstrates it is most unfortunate that by and large the mainstream media do not reflect the numerically significant number of Jews all over the world, including israel, who have opposition to some Zionist and some Israeli policies. Unfortunately, too, this factor which allows for a simplistic and polarised concept of Jewish identity can enable a useful vehicle for antisemitism. Which obviously is not to say t...

That was a good clip, blueridge. I just think we have to be careful with distinguishing between Jews and Zionists. There are many Christian Zionists. My own small involvement with debate about Israel has included friendships with Palestinians and Jews, and as your clip mentioned above demonstrates it is most unfortunate that by and large the mainstream media do not reflect the numerically significant number of Jews all over the world, including israel, who have opposition to some Zionist and some Israeli policies. Unfortunately, too, this factor which allows for a simplistic and polarised concept of Jewish identity can enable a useful vehicle for antisemitism. Which obviously is not to say that all critics of Zionism, israel and some Jewish enterprises are antisemites.

May I stir the pot? The link takes you to a Google video asserting that Israeli intellegence activies in the US were not only extensive (penetrating dozens of US agencies) but linked to 9/11, and features a FOXNews report on the subject. In retrospect it doesn't seem preposterous.

I would like to know more about the assertions made in the linked film clip of US/Israeli dual-citizenship for individuals such as Ari Fliescher, Michael Chertoff, Jack Abramoff, Mark Grossman, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, William Kristol, and more. I've tried to run down corroboration on the 'net for a couple of them bu...

May I stir the pot? The link takes you to a Google video asserting that Israeli intellegence activies in the US were not only extensive (penetrating dozens of US agencies) but linked to 9/11, and features a FOXNews report on the subject. In retrospect it doesn't seem preposterous.

I would like to know more about the assertions made in the linked film clip of US/Israeli dual-citizenship for individuals such as Ari Fliescher, Michael Chertoff, Jack Abramoff, Mark Grossman, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, William Kristol, and more. I've tried to run down corroboration on the 'net for a couple of them but haven't had success. I have to admit that if these dual-citizenship assertions are true, to me it begs the question of why so many powerful and connected players in Washington would be Israeli citizens.

Thinking of Socratoad's "First They Came For The Jews" clip, and the discussion it brought, I harbor no ill will against Jews in general, only against the destructive and greedy ones who might have a purpose beyond that of good will toward all men.

Excellent comments and links by BartendingBear and Thisnamecantbetaken. It is impossible to refute that a particular revolutionary cabal has historically and is now controlling the march of government in a consistent quest of regime change (including WWI and WWII) for the purpose of "global hegemony", of which 9/11 was a "catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor". Those quoted words are directly from the neoconservatives themselves, who are disciples of Trotsky whom Churchill lists. No one benefited more than the neoconservative's agenda and Israel from 9/11. Conspiracies are merely a fact in history, more common than not, of which Churchill himself in this clip traces a pattern for the ...

Excellent comments and links by BartendingBear and Thisnamecantbetaken. It is impossible to refute that a particular revolutionary cabal has historically and is now controlling the march of government in a consistent quest of regime change (including WWI and WWII) for the purpose of "global hegemony", of which 9/11 was a "catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor". Those quoted words are directly from the neoconservatives themselves, who are disciples of Trotsky whom Churchill lists. No one benefited more than the neoconservative's agenda and Israel from 9/11. Conspiracies are merely a fact in history, more common than not, of which Churchill himself in this clip traces a pattern for the public at large in regard to what could be called the "revolutionary Jews".

Also good comment by Abailart that Christian Zionism, not merely Jewish, is indeed an allied partner, and strong one, in the same direction. The corrupt churches have been used (tricked) for political power, via a misplaced religious zeal.

You've made a pretty good job of contradicting that statement in the rest of your comment.

Why is that Mick? Do not fall prey to the idea that because one criticizes a Jew that it automatically makes one an anti-semite. That is a cloak under which many evil-doers might hide, and as much a disservice to the memory of those innocent Jewish victims of the Holocaust as forgetting them would be, IMHO.

Conspiracy theorists always need a scapegoat and the Jews are handy, they're used to it.

A scapegoat or a true villian with his hand on the switch? When a spade is a spade, it is a spade. Not all Jews are pious, not all are holy, and not all are innocent simply because...

You've made a pretty good job of contradicting that statement in the rest of your comment.

Why is that Mick? Do not fall prey to the idea that because one criticizes a Jew that it automatically makes one an anti-semite. That is a cloak under which many evil-doers might hide, and as much a disservice to the memory of those innocent Jewish victims of the Holocaust as forgetting them would be, IMHO.

Conspiracy theorists always need a scapegoat and the Jews are handy, they're used to it.

A scapegoat or a true villian with his hand on the switch? When a spade is a spade, it is a spade. Not all Jews are pious, not all are holy, and not all are innocent simply because they are Jews.

My niece is a US citizen with dual nationality. She is neither Israeli nor Jewish. Is she a suspect I wonder.

Has she benefited from a terrorist action which could be a conspiracy? Is she in such a position that the trail of clues leads to her door? Would her dual-nationality help her cause? If so, then perhaps she should be a suspect. As the linked report suggests, those factors all SEEM to potentially be the case with the actors I named. I can’t help if that they are Jews and refuse to stand down on suspicion merely because they are. If those suspicions bear out, they are bad guys who are Jews; traitorous enemies of the US in their action. As I said, I couldn’t verify the dual-citizenship, but others seem to accept it as fact. I can’t prove the idea of conspiracy in 9/11, but I know that there are MANY questions which any RATIONAL person desires RATIONAL answers for.

Did you watch any of the videos, mickfinn? For me at least, they raise some troubling questions about the true origins of 9/11, the true motives for the "War on Terror", the true purpose of "Homeland Security" etc. There are still too many unanswered questions, even though sometimes it seems the rabbit hole may be much deeper than anyone ever imagined. I for one, don't buy the official version of events on 9/11... or the reasons given for the wars, or torture or surveillance or... in fact I don't believe much that comes out of the mouths of those, who have been caught in lie, after lie, after lie. Do you?

I'm grateful people like Blueridge, BartendingBear etc are helping pull away the curt...

Did you watch any of the videos, mickfinn? For me at least, they raise some troubling questions about the true origins of 9/11, the true motives for the "War on Terror", the true purpose of "Homeland Security" etc. There are still too many unanswered questions, even though sometimes it seems the rabbit hole may be much deeper than anyone ever imagined. I for one, don't buy the official version of events on 9/11... or the reasons given for the wars, or torture or surveillance or... in fact I don't believe much that comes out of the mouths of those, who have been caught in lie, after lie, after lie. Do you?

I'm grateful people like Blueridge, BartendingBear etc are helping pull away the curtains of deceit and secrecy, we've all been subjected to for far too long. Maybe one day we can dig through all the shit and find the real truth buried in there somewhere. It would be much easier to fight our enemies, if we know for certain, who they really are.

What the videos. What are your thoughts on them?