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9-23-2007 2:55 AM
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9-23-2007 1:26 PM
cptenaud
Too bad she will be going back shortly. So much for
family values.
9-23-2007 9:19 PM
onlinedesign
"No Child Left Behind" -The Bush Administration


I read all the Blog posts in the related link. Some of them made me physically nauseous.

They blame this Soldier for leaving her child to go to war. "Well that's what you get for joining the military and having children. Too bad. Why is she in the Service anyway?" [She's home for a mid deployment R&R and will be going back to Iraq for at least another 7 months. She's a medic near Ramadi, one of the most dangerous areas in Iraq.]

Other Americans called her a bad American, a bad Mother and a bad person. Then proceeded with the name-game squabble about political parties, rednecks, Bible-thumpers...very few posted gen[b]...
9-23-2007 9:22 PM
NonStatQuo
The original page where this photo lives has some vitriolic comments attached to it. Shame some of them miss the point. The oh so poignant point.....
9-23-2007 9:44 PM
The REAL Napster
The point is NOBODY forced that person to raise her right hand and "swear to protect the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic".

Our military is a volunteer force, and you become a government asset as soon as you raise your hand and take that oath. Many of those who take the oath forget that they are not just empty words, you will be called upon to serve. If you cannot serve then DON'T raise your hand. Since I served, I know all too well, (and so does my family and realtives serving now). The rest of you can shut the hell up.

9-23-2007 10:08 PM
hudgal1
Certainly no one thought the war would last this long.
9-23-2007 10:08 PM
00kayi00
Why people insists too much on messing with other people's business?
9-23-2007 11:14 PM
willhelm
Hudgal, Why do you think it has been called the Long War and why has Bush stated on several occasions this war will outlast his presidency and the presidency of his successor?
9-24-2007 1:31 AM
onlinedesign
Willhelm, this is true. That has been said repeatedly. It has also been said by many experts and Presidential hopefuls that "we" have no reason to any longer take part in the civil war that rages in Iraq.

The global community has been fighting the war on terrorism for a long time and will continue to do so as long as terrorists exist who take pleasure in hurting people in the name of a god.

Those same experts see Bush's statements as an excuse for the giant mess that his Administration has created under his rule (on his watch) and they think we can get out, walk away and pull our Troops out in coordination with our allies.

They think the occupation by US Troops is long overdue for ...
9-24-2007 1:42 AM
skwirlinator
The summation of hope and dreams we can only rejoice in the moments that are granted.
9-24-2007 1:52 AM
skwirlinator
Love breaks reality and destroys the gloom
9-24-2007 1:53 AM
skwirlinator
Of all of reality love stands strong!
9-24-2007 1:53 AM
skwirlinator
Regaining Humanity
9-24-2007 1:54 AM
skwirlinator
Of the children we beseech thee
9-24-2007 1:55 AM
skwirlinator
Clearly a moment of privacy is needed
9-24-2007 1:55 AM
skwirlinator
Y I Live
9-24-2007 12:58 PM
hudgal1
I don't think Bush & Co. had any idea that the war would last this long. I think they thought it would be a quick in and out and that the Iraqi people would worship us for saving them from a terrible dictator. He just doesn't have much foresight.

Are you implying that he knew it would be a long and disastrous war? Maybe he did. I don't know. He's scheming. Unfortunately, that is not a quality that goes well with low intelligence and poor planning.

I know congress certainly wouldn't have voted for it if they knew all the circumstances, and the majority of Americans would have stood against it. Too late now.

Much too late.
9-24-2007 1:59 PM
willhelm
I guess the problem is with the words you used at the beginning of your comment, "I don't think". The record is pretty clear about Bush's expectations despite media misrepresentations of certain events and biased perceptions of Leftists.
I am not saying the Bush Administration hasn't been surprised by some things. That is the nature of war. However, Bush has steadfastly maintained that this will be a very long war.
I suspect they did not count on the number of terrorists entering the country. I'm just guessing, but I think they probably expected about half as many as they got. I also suspect they are surprised by the boldness which Iran is engaging in a proxy war in Iraq.
These types o...
9-25-2007 10:22 AM
NonStatQuo
NAPSTER....I won't shut the hell up since my tax dollars paid for you to serve and screw me out of health care in my own country. If I want to defend this photo in my own way it is my right to do so... those rights that you say you served to protect?
9-25-2007 10:56 AM
The REAL Napster
NAPSTER....I won't shut the hell up since my tax dollars paid for you to serve and screw me out of health care in my own country. If I want to defend this photo in my own way it is my right to do so... those rights that you say you served to protect?
NonStatQuo- The picture (from it's source) was supposed to show the heartbreaking reuinion between a member of the U.S. Armed Forces and a child. Others are trying to use it to show how 'cruel' it is to children of Armed Services members.

The point I made in my comment is that people who take the oath of service when they enlist are bound to that oath. Service means honor, duty and sacrifice. If you or anyone else ta...
9-25-2007 1:08 PM
onlinedesign
NonStatQuo- The picture (from it's source) was supposed to show the heartbreaking reuinion between a member of the U.S. Armed Forces and a child. Others are trying to use it to show how 'cruel' it is to children of Armed Services members.
EXACTLY! Bravo...somebody "gets it".

I shared this picture with my best Friend in New Orleans. My Friend has been through more than you can even imagine. She "gets it", too. No political aganda. She simply wrote back and said it touched her heart and made her weep.
9-25-2007 1:18 PM
skwirlinator
The photo reaches many conclusions and we all see meaning differently.
I see love of family and a reunion of normalcy for the family. If you look at it from a child's perspective you can see hope and love as well. If you look at it with disgust of the war in your heart you see them as victims of the war.

I tried titling this photo and I came up short with my offerings because the message is so powerful.
It can be viewed as a mother leaving her child or a mother returning to her child. I choose to see a mother returning. If you see a mother preparing to leave you may be correct but a mother returning is what I like because it is the start of a happy moment not the beginning of a separation.
9-25-2007 1:58 PM
handleriii
If you look at it with disgust of the war in your heart you see them as victims of the war.
Aren't all children "victims" of any war? Our children are victims of this war. Iraqi children are victims of this war. No matter the nationality, they are just children and have no responsiblity whatsoever related to the cause of the war.

Would it not make sense then to stop the war? Why won't our government listen to us?

Heart touching photo. That moment could not have been captured any better. While it is a glimpse into a very personal moment, it is serving the purpose to keep thinking Americans discussing what we can do to affect a change.
9-25-2007 3:21 PM
kacckcm
What I see when I look at this photo, is a mother who has been at war and is overwhelmed at the site of her child. I'm sure in the back of everyone's mind, they know of that chance of going away. For some, the reality is a shock, for others, life goes on. However, even if you are totally prepared for it,or even psyched up for it, that moment when you first see your child is indescribable.
9-27-2007 12:50 PM
hudgal1
This has been going on since ancient times. I doubt the human race will ever learn as long as there are war-mongers among us.

A mother asked the President
.
"Why did my son have to die in Iraq?"
A mother asked the President
.
"Why did my son have to die in Saudi Arabia?"
A mother asked the President
...
11-20-2007 3:22 PM
cniq_cniq
First, allow me to affirm the posts made by willhelm, Napster and onlinedesign.

Now, at the risk of sounding a chauvinistic tone, I'll posit that this is precisely the reason we should have been more careful before opening up the whole of the armed services to women during the 90s. Then as now, my opposition wasn't about denying "equal rights", it was about the toll this action takes on families. And reading the posts in this thread isn't it ironic that many of the left-leaning champions of expanding a woman's role in the military are now using the family angle to advocate surrender in Iraq? It's sad how easily we can be lead into such self-destructive traps.
11-22-2007 2:39 PM
onlinedesign
I don't know if I lean Left or if I lean Right. I personally do not use the Women's Role in the Armed services as an out of Iraq. I think we should get out because it's wrong. Morally wrong. Enough already does not = surrender.
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