sahara says: I know there are a number of Veterans here on clipmarks, some with whose opinions I seem to always agree with, others I either don't always agree, or cannot understand where they are coming from. However, I will say, ALL of whom I respect, and am grateful to! So, I just want to say, THANK YOU! Thank-you, sahara! I'm a Viet Nam Vet, My Dad was a WW2 vet and many of my family and friends are vets too! I appreciate your respect, not because we are some special people, just regular Americans doing our duty. I fully support all our military personnel in harms way no matter what my thoughts may be for or against the wars they are sent to! They deserve our respect and our prayers for their safety! Thanx again, cdcwilly As a US veteran - You are welcome. In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. — John McCrae (1872-1918) Thats nice, thanks TRN Yes, it was nice, TRN, and cdcwilly, thanks to you, and your family, hope your day was nice! And I appreciate your comments and acknowledgement skwirlinator, hope you enjoyed the day. It was a rainy day here, but it was nice because in my area they have a really great VFW, all of the flags were put on the gravestones, there was a parade, and a brief, but nice service at the memorial park in town, so it was good to see. November 11 is called Veterans Day, or remembrance Day. After WW1, "The war to end all wars" it was called Armistice Day, but the name seemed inadequate when WW2 arrived. As though at the same time the armistice was forgotten, so were the men who lost their Lives in WW1. We remember Veterans who have sacrificed their lives in an attempt to stop wars that were started by leaders that worked far from the Front line. I remembered something about the WW1 ANZAC campaign that is relative with all of the politically correct posing regarding Christmas these days. The Australian and New Zealand Troops were fighting the Turks at Gallipoli, in trenches mud, miserable weather, and stretched supply lines... Are veterans to be praised for ANY war they enter whatsoever? Are they heroes if they fight in an unjust war? If they are "preserving our freedoms" why are we losing them under an exaggerated threat and "Homeland Security"? Here are some veterans being neglected: http://www.ivaw.org/node/1792 Yes, you certainly can support the troops, without supporting the policy, or the war they are sent to fight. If you really look at the site you have linked there, as I have been familiar with for a rather long time now, you will see that these veterans still support their brothers/sisters in arms who are still fighting the war, who have served in other wars, what they oppose are the policies and the reasons given for being there, "hate the game, not the player". Here is a good example from an interview with John Soltz, a veteran, as well as a very strong voice in opposing the war: Jon Soltz of anti-war group VoteVets.org and Move America Forward chair Melanie Morgan appeared on PBS’s “Newsho... You can say you support the team, but if you are cheering for them to lose just because you don't like the coach, then that really isn't much support at all. That's a lame statement. What is your definition of losing? If it means losing their lives, I certainly am not cheering for that. Better yet, why don't you give me your definition of "winning". As I remember, Pres. Bush proclaimed "mission accomplished", quite a while ago. Did he mean we won? What the hell did he mean then? If we did in fact accomplish whatever "mission" he was referring to, then what mission are we on now? Are we now into nation building? Like these past statements, I guess these guys were against our troops, not the "coach"(who at the time was Bill Clinton),if what you are saying is true: Rep. Dick Armey, GOP majority "The suspicion some people have about the president's motives in this attack [on Iraq] is itself a powerful argument for impeachment," Armey said in a statement. "After months of lies, the president has given millions of people around the world reason to doubt that he has sent Americans into battle for the right reasons." GOP Sen. Dan Coats: Coats, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement, "While there is clearly much more we need to learn about this attack [on bin Lade... Sen. Larry Craig, U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee: "The foregoing, the premise of the recent film 'Wag the Dog,' might once have seemed farfetched. Yet it can hardly escape comment that on the very day, August 17, that President Bill Clinton is scheduled to testify before a federal grand jury to explain his possibly criminal behavior, Commander-in-Chief Bill Clinton has ordered U.S. Marines and air crews to commence several days of ground and air exercises in, yes, Albania as a warning of possible NATO intervention in next-door Kosovo ... "Not too many years ago, it would not have entered the mind of even the worst of cynics to speculate whether any American president, whatever h... GOP activist Paul Weyrich: "Paul Weyrich, a leading conservative activist, said Clinton's decision to bomb on the eve of the impeachment vote 'is more of an impeachable offense than anything he is being charged with in Congress.'" Wall Street Journal editorial: "It is dangerous for an American president to launch a military strike, however justified, at a time when many will conclude he acted only out of narrow self-interest to forestall or postpone his own impeachment." Sen. Trent Lott, GOP majority leader: "I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time," Lott said in a statement. "Both the timing and the policy are subject to question."Rep. Gerald Solomon: "'Never ... Phyllis Schlafly, Eagle Forum: "First, it [intervention in Kosovo] is a 'wag the dog' public relations ploy to involve us in a war in order to divert attention from his personal scandals (only a few of which were addressed in the Senate trial). He is again following the scenario of the 'life is truer than fiction' movie 'Wag the Dog.' The very day after his acquittal, Clinton moved quickly to 'move on' from the subject of impeachment by announcing threats to bomb and to send U.S. ground troops into the civil war in Kosovo between Serbian authorities and ethnic Albanians fighting for independence. He scheduled Americans to be part of a NATO force under non-American command." Jim Hoagland, Was... And many, many, many, more, I could be here all day giving examples, throughout history, of opposing the policies towards wars, past and present. To say that it is an affront to the troops themselves, is just plain ridiculous, it is a desperate act by those who for some reason, are grasping at straws for reasons to justify their own thoughts. |
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