Debating Mark Lilla on secularism: America magazine


	Debating Mark Lilla on secularism: America magazine

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1-9-2008 3:56 PM

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Two contemporary Catholic thinkers take on Mark Lilla's indictment of secularism in the pages of the Catholic periodical America.

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By <A href="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/searchresults.cfm?search=Drew Christiansen and Jose V. Casanova&startrow=1&searchby=author">Drew Christiansen and Jose V. Casanova</A>
	| NOVEMBER 26, 2007 </DIV></blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10439"><div align="center"><img src="http://content6.clipmarks.com/blog_cache/www.americamagazine.org/img/C039A4E3-7CD7-429F-9B0B-D60D04DBB340" alt="the cover of America, the Catholic magazine" /></div></blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10439"><P> 
Lilla argues that the Enlightenment made a radical break between religion and politics that haunts us till this day. For millennia, there had been a generally accepted pattern of meaning across cultures linking the cosmic order, the political system and the individual soul, in which political order was dictated by revelation. The one exception to that linkage is the modern secular West. There, following the wars of religion, Thomas Hobbes achieved a “Great Separation” by making religion the projection of a fear-filled individual psychology and government the instrument of human desire.</P></blockquote><div style="border-bottom: solid 1px #dcdcdc; white-space: nowrap; margin-bottom: 8px; background-color: #eeeeee ;background-image: url(http://clipmarks.com/images/source-bg.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; height: 24px; line-height: 24px; vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 4px; color: #666666; font-size: 10px;" ><a href="http://clipmarks.com/clip-to-blog/" title="see clips that are hot right now"><img src="http://content7.clipmarks.com/images/clip-icon.gif" alt="" width="19" height="19" border="0" style="vertical-align: middle; margin: 0px 4px; display: inline; border: none; float:none;" /></a>clipped from <a title="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10440" href="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10440" style="font-size: 11px;">www.americamagazine.org</a></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10440"><P><B>Dear Drew,</B></P><P> 
You are absolutely right that Lilla's construction of a "great separation" is based on a misleading contrast between theocratic political theology and secular political philosophy. This is purely an analytical device, which Lilla superimposes upon real history. </P></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0px 6px 6px 4px;"><table style="font-size: 11px;border-spacing: 0px;padding: 0px;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><td style="background:transparent;border-width:0px;padding:0px;">&nbsp;</td><td align="right" style="background:transparent;border-width:0px;padding:0px;width:107px" width="107"><a href="http://clipmarks.com/share/9BB138E1-FF7D-4A4D-A4A4-B7144B3B5CFB/blog/" title="blog or email this clip"><img src="http://content8.clipmarks.com/images/c2b-foot.png" border="0" alt="blog it" width="107" height="17" style="border-width:0px;padding:0px;margin:0px;" /></a></td></tr></table></div></div>

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