Its ALL about respect of humanity, willie. It's about treating people as well as we treat our pets. It's about rationality and reality, not superstition and enforced dogma. It's about respect of personal choice, not inhumanity to ones neighbor. It's about rights and our acceptance of them.

You may hate yourself so much as to believe there is nobility you have not otherwise found in enduring the suffering some people do, and that is your choice, but keep your sanctimony out of my deathbed, thank you very much. Remember your self-righteous blather the next time you get a root-canal.

It is so typical of your ilk to attack the language when there is no ground to stand for the principle oth...

Its ALL about respect of humanity, willie. It's about treating people as well as we treat our pets. It's about rationality and reality, not superstition and enforced dogma. It's about respect of personal choice, not inhumanity to ones neighbor. It's about rights and our acceptance of them.

You may hate yourself so much as to believe there is nobility you have not otherwise found in enduring the suffering some people do, and that is your choice, but keep your sanctimony out of my deathbed, thank you very much. Remember your self-righteous blather the next time you get a root-canal.

It is so typical of your ilk to attack the language when there is no ground to stand for the principle other than your own fear and prejudice. You claim to believe in liberty, but you can't live with it in action.

Its ALL about respect of humanity, willie. It's about treating people as well as we treat our pets.

So, let me get this straight...HUMANITY is about treating PEOPLE as well as we treat OUR PETS? An t THAT is rational and respectful?

It's about rights and our acceptance of them.

What rights are you speaking about?

You may hate yourself so much as to believe there is nobility you have
not otherwise found in enduring the suffering some people do

A perfect example of ignorance, bartender. Your not helping your case here.

It is so typical of your ilk to attack the language when there is no
ground to stand for the principle other than your o...

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Its ALL about respect of humanity, willie. It's about treating people as well as we treat our pets.

So, let me get this straight...HUMANITY is about treating PEOPLE as well as we treat OUR PETS? An t THAT is rational and respectful?

It's about rights and our acceptance of them.

What rights are you speaking about?

You may hate yourself so much as to believe there is nobility you have
not otherwise found in enduring the suffering some people do

A perfect example of ignorance, bartender. Your not helping your case here.

It is so typical of your ilk to attack the language when there is no
ground to stand for the principle other than your own fear and
prejudice.

I am not attacking the language. I am using it to clarify and show that it is leftists who use language, distraction, and divisiveness to bludgeon the meaning of words. For example, your accusation of fear and prejudice. In fact, the whole notion of dignity in this case is based on a fear of it's opposite.

You claim to believe in liberty, but you can't live with it in action.

I am not an anarchist. If even the most repulsive leftist were to line up and dive off the Empire State Building, I would want to stop them and encourage them to make an example of their lives for good.

You want dignity?...Look at the professor who recently died of cancer and continued to teach right up to the very end. THAT!! is dignity! What you support is the OPPOSITE of dignity based entirely in self absorbed fear and THAT is the point of my initial comment.

It's your fear you see, willie. not mine. You fear death so completely you have subscribed your existence to an imaginary savior waiting in the wings to escort you through the gate. You can't see beyond your own delusion; cannot understand that a man can live without that delusion.

You fear death so completely you insist that I delay mine for fear of your savior's wrath against my will and your lack of success in bending mine to his, if that moment is my choice for my death, so as to assuage your own fear of controlling your own life.

I've said it before, and I am brought to it again. I pity you, willie. Your arrogance is a cover for your sorry weakness; your intellect so clouded by your ...

It's your fear you see, willie. not mine. You fear death so completely you have subscribed your existence to an imaginary savior waiting in the wings to escort you through the gate. You can't see beyond your own delusion; cannot understand that a man can live without that delusion.

You fear death so completely you insist that I delay mine for fear of your savior's wrath against my will and your lack of success in bending mine to his, if that moment is my choice for my death, so as to assuage your own fear of controlling your own life.

I've said it before, and I am brought to it again. I pity you, willie. Your arrogance is a cover for your sorry weakness; your intellect so clouded by your delusions so as to be worthless in the face of fact and reason. You love to project hate to others because it is a distraction of the self-hatred you harbor for your sickening weakness.

I pity you because you are pitiful, willie.

You fear death so completely you have subscribed your existence to an
imaginary savior waiting in the wings to escort you through the gate.

You fear death so completely you insist that I delay mine for fear of
your savior's wrath against my will and your lack of success in bending
mine to his, if that moment is my choice for my death, so as to assuage
your own fear of controlling your own life.

Your arrogance is a cover for your sorry weakness; your intellect so
clouded by your delusions so as to be worthless in the face of fact and
reason.

I pity you because you are pitiful, willie.

You have an awful lot to say about me and litt...

You fear death so completely you have subscribed your existence to an
imaginary savior waiting in the wings to escort you through the gate.

You fear death so completely you insist that I delay mine for fear of
your savior's wrath against my will and your lack of success in bending
mine to his, if that moment is my choice for my death, so as to assuage
your own fear of controlling your own life.

Your arrogance is a cover for your sorry weakness; your intellect so
clouded by your delusions so as to be worthless in the face of fact and
reason.

I pity you because you are pitiful, willie.

You have an awful lot to say about me and little to say about the arguments I presented. You continually display fear and simplicity as opposed to intellectual discovery. You opting for the easy choice is just a display of your simplistic outlook.

I informed you above as to REAL honor,referencing the college professor who chose actual dignity over your choice of fear. Your reaction to my comments shows that what you really pity is not me, but perhaps yourself. Your swan song on this thread is an admission you are wrong, your selfishness, and your inherent distrust for decency.

I made my comments toward you in good faith, bartender. I do not think you are an entirely unfair person. Your reaction says the most.

I've also tended the sick for years on end until those final months when they waste away to nothing. And while their body fights to grow against a consuming cancer their own body is subsumed into building tumorous growths that erupt from within their own body. Any contact is searing pain and there is no relief from sleep - only a mindless induced waking coma from drugs.

And the whole time you are reduced to platitudes of "it's ok", "we'll get through this", "I'm with you", "go to a happy place", "we love you", "be strong".

What a life pal. I only hope one day you have to endure it because it is your putrid kind that lobbies to force this upon those that would make a choice not to endure i...

I've also tended the sick for years on end until those final months when they waste away to nothing. And while their body fights to grow against a consuming cancer their own body is subsumed into building tumorous growths that erupt from within their own body. Any contact is searing pain and there is no relief from sleep - only a mindless induced waking coma from drugs.

And the whole time you are reduced to platitudes of "it's ok", "we'll get through this", "I'm with you", "go to a happy place", "we love you", "be strong".

What a life pal. I only hope one day you have to endure it because it is your putrid kind that lobbies to force this upon those that would make a choice not to endure it. I know the horrors of debilitating and rotting death. I would never want to face it. And then i'd have to face some cocksucker like you telling me you'd keep me alive because you want to be humane?

Go fuck yourself willhelm.

Once again, the great willhelm misses the point. You think "dignity" in terms of honor or prestige. It's the dignity of submitting your family to a horror that you cannot even contemplate. And if you can imagine or experience that pain and suffering in someone and still feel the need to subject people to it when the end result is the same then my final line in my last comment applies again.

I'll take the DIGNITY of simply dying and being ended then forcing my family to wait on me hand and foot, wiping my ass, washing my balls, and cleaning up my puke for months and years. Of them hearing me scream in pain when I must be rolled over to clean my shitty diaper once again. Of having to endure t...

Once again, the great willhelm misses the point. You think "dignity" in terms of honor or prestige. It's the dignity of submitting your family to a horror that you cannot even contemplate. And if you can imagine or experience that pain and suffering in someone and still feel the need to subject people to it when the end result is the same then my final line in my last comment applies again.

I'll take the DIGNITY of simply dying and being ended then forcing my family to wait on me hand and foot, wiping my ass, washing my balls, and cleaning up my puke for months and years. Of them hearing me scream in pain when I must be rolled over to clean my shitty diaper once again. Of having to endure the many procedures that I would have to go through, from draining fluids to salving open sores to simply bathing me.

Christ sake. Grow one of those souls you always blather on about.

Once again, for the thinking impaired.

I said:

What is the opposite of dignity? Embarrassment? hyper self consciousness? feel-good-ism? Low self-esteem? Dishonor? Disrespect?

It's
not about dignity. It is about disrespecting and dishonoring the value
of human life while using human insecurities to further the culture of
death.

Then, what is resorted to, to make a case for "dignity"?. Fear, Self Pity, and appeals to emotion. As if in some bizarre comedy of idiots.

AND, Also, for the thinking impaired, I never one single time objected to the law. My point was about the misuse and misapplication of the word dignity, which I made clear by offering the real exam...

Once again, for the thinking impaired.

I said:

What is the opposite of dignity? Embarrassment? hyper self consciousness? feel-good-ism? Low self-esteem? Dishonor? Disrespect?

It's
not about dignity. It is about disrespecting and dishonoring the value
of human life while using human insecurities to further the culture of
death.

Then, what is resorted to, to make a case for "dignity"?. Fear, Self Pity, and appeals to emotion. As if in some bizarre comedy of idiots.

AND, Also, for the thinking impaired, I never one single time objected to the law. My point was about the misuse and misapplication of the word dignity, which I made clear by offering the real example of dignity, regarding the college professor who continued to lecture up until the end of his life.

It's not about growing a soul. It's about learning to think for yourself rather than be manipulated by language, references, fallacies, and useless appeals that you are too ignorant to understand.

I say a lot about you in my comment because I speak truth as I see it.

The "real" honor you reference was HIS choice, not yours. Do not co-opt his strength as a substitute for your own. I believe you are better than that. You have no idea what your life will bring you and how you will respond. As a survivor and caregiver both, I have a better knowledge of the ravages of cancer than any man needs unless he is seeking to cure it, so save your lectures for someone who might be impressed.

As to your manly bravado in all those things you list, good on you for them, but so what? Have you ever hung out of the back of an open hatchback at 125+MPH with race cars swarming at speed scant yards behind...

I say a lot about you in my comment because I speak truth as I see it.

The "real" honor you reference was HIS choice, not yours. Do not co-opt his strength as a substitute for your own. I believe you are better than that. You have no idea what your life will bring you and how you will respond. As a survivor and caregiver both, I have a better knowledge of the ravages of cancer than any man needs unless he is seeking to cure it, so save your lectures for someone who might be impressed.

As to your manly bravado in all those things you list, good on you for them, but so what? Have you ever hung out of the back of an open hatchback at 125+MPH with race cars swarming at speed scant yards behind you? Didn't think so, but so what? Manly pissing matches as just so much bullshit and a waste of time.

My selfishness is not only my right, but it is healthy. That is an understanding far beyond most people, including you it seems. When my mother lay in her deathbed after five years of our shared battle in her cancer fight I was greedy and stayed with her as long as I could, out of my own fears and self-pity for my coming loss. When I finally decided to leave I did so understanding that I had to do that to be ready to deal with what the next day would bring, one way or another. That was an expression of healthy selfishness. As I walked away through the hospital corridors I realized that maybe she was fighting and staying alive because I was there and in leaving I was, perhaps, giving her the room and privacy to die as she needed because it was really her time to go. That's a lesson you can't really learn until you have lived it. People die on their own schedule, not yours, no matter how much your fight it.

I never signed some holy contract as to my life, so fuck you if you think I'm going to live by yours. I've never suggested the imposition of my will upon you, but repeatedly your like insist upon imposing yours upon me. I will fight that every day of my life. Get used to it.

You have no idea what your life will bring you and how you will respond.

True. I only know what life has brought and how I have responded. That is all.

The "real" honor you reference was HIS choice, not yours.

Exactly. He chose dignity rather than fear and self pity. As for your implication that I am co-opting something, well, that's just you being you, I guess. I don't know what you are talking about.

Have you ever hung out of the back of an open hatchback at 125+MPH with race cars swarming at speed scant yards behind you?

No.

My selfishness is not only my right, but it is healthy.

I agree. Just don't call it dignity if i...

You have no idea what your life will bring you and how you will respond.

True. I only know what life has brought and how I have responded. That is all.

The "real" honor you reference was HIS choice, not yours.

Exactly. He chose dignity rather than fear and self pity. As for your implication that I am co-opting something, well, that's just you being you, I guess. I don't know what you are talking about.

Have you ever hung out of the back of an open hatchback at 125+MPH with race cars swarming at speed scant yards behind you?

No.

My selfishness is not only my right, but it is healthy.

I agree. Just don't call it dignity if it is not dignity.

People die on their own schedule, not yours, no matter how much your fight it.

Nice. Irrelevant. I am not fighting anything.

I never signed some holy contract as to my life, so fuck you if you
think I'm going to live by yours. I've never suggested the imposition
of my will upon you, but repeatedly your like insist upon imposing
yours upon me. I will fight that every day of my life. Get used to it.

Actually, it is the other way around. You percieve a fight, which means you are forcing your view. I am only stating facts. Want to talk about the law? I'll talk about the law. First, learn how to talk.