All those "not true?" statements are taken out of their historical context

Please explain your take on the "historical context" to Native Americans, Panamanians, black South Africans, Libyans, Grenadians, Japanese civilians, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, El Salvadorans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, East Timorese, black Americans, Iraqis, Afghanistanis, Sudanese, Hondurans, Chileans, Iranians, Filipinos, Lebanese, Haitians, Guatemalans, oh God, sadly I could go and on, who have been on the receiving end of American firepower.

The United States has overthrown democratically-elected governments, instigated coups, propped up right-wing dictators, carried out assass...

All those "not true?" statements are taken out of their historical context

Please explain your take on the "historical context" to Native Americans, Panamanians, black South Africans, Libyans, Grenadians, Japanese civilians, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, El Salvadorans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, East Timorese, black Americans, Iraqis, Afghanistanis, Sudanese, Hondurans, Chileans, Iranians, Filipinos, Lebanese, Haitians, Guatemalans, oh God, sadly I could go and on, who have been on the receiving end of American firepower.

The United States has overthrown democratically-elected governments, instigated coups, propped up right-wing dictators, carried out assassinations, slaughtered Native Americans and pushed the survivors onto reservations, enslaved blacks, supported the apartheid regime of South Africa, and has armed and trained terrorists.

That's what Wright was talking about in his sermon:
We have sown terror around the world, and on September 11, 2001, we reaped it.

US military interventions since 1890: http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

And may I recommend:
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html

@deb2012

It challenges me to want to be part of making America even better than we are.

Good luck with that. We have had 200 years to do that. Take a look around at how capitalism has plundered the planet.

dulios says it all:

Please explain your take on the "historical context" to Native
Americans, Panamanians, black South Africans, Libyans, Grenadians,
Japanese civilians, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, El Salvadorans, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, East Timorese, black Americans,
Iraqis, Afghanistanis, Sudanese, Hondurans, Chileans, Iranians,
Filipinos, Lebanese, Haitians, Guatemalans, oh God, sadly I could go
and on, who have been on the receiving end of ...

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@deb2012

It challenges me to want to be part of making America even better than we are.

Good luck with that. We have had 200 years to do that. Take a look around at how capitalism has plundered the planet.

dulios says it all:

Please explain your take on the "historical context" to Native
Americans, Panamanians, black South Africans, Libyans, Grenadians,
Japanese civilians, Palestinians, Nicaraguans, El Salvadorans, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, East Timorese, black Americans,
Iraqis, Afghanistanis, Sudanese, Hondurans, Chileans, Iranians,
Filipinos, Lebanese, Haitians, Guatemalans, oh God, sadly I could go
and on, who have been on the receiving end of American firepower.

This is the SHORT list.

Let us gather around the fire and hold hands as we all sing give peace a chance. Let us disarm ourselves and leave our doors unlocked at night. If a rouge nation decides to bomb a shipping port or a school let us turn the other cheek and forgive them and remember America is to blame for every ill on the planet. It is our fault after all that Nazi Germany tortured and killed millions of Jews because we sat back while Hitler garnered support and power in his native country. It was after all not our business to interfere in other sovereign state affairs.

We deserved to have our military port of Pearl Harbor bombed Japan was only trying to look out for their interests and the AMERICAN political...

Let us gather around the fire and hold hands as we all sing give peace a chance. Let us disarm ourselves and leave our doors unlocked at night. If a rouge nation decides to bomb a shipping port or a school let us turn the other cheek and forgive them and remember America is to blame for every ill on the planet. It is our fault after all that Nazi Germany tortured and killed millions of Jews because we sat back while Hitler garnered support and power in his native country. It was after all not our business to interfere in other sovereign state affairs.

We deserved to have our military port of Pearl Harbor bombed Japan was only trying to look out for their interests and the AMERICAN political machine was getting in the way. America needs to get ready for more attacks because we hatched a lot of chickens around the world and they are coming home to roast as the Wright Reverend Jeremiah says.

I just have to scratch my head in wonderment as I ponder the thoughts of an unarmed American society being obliterated from the planet but armed thug nations who, by the way, never have to pay for their actions because after all it is our fault that they are poor and miserable and are run by dictatorial tyrants, who enslave their people and murder anyone who opposes their authority. But America is the blame for this as well. It is our fault that these evil dictators exsist. Oh wait! I forgot the left loves those evil dictators didn't Jimmy just visit one?

If you don't believe they were justified then what is your point? Or
were you simply taking yet another opportunity to bash your country
with more lemming group-think drivel?

If the you refered to in this coment is I then you have misread my comment or taken it out of context because I was being sarcastic. My point was the only people who ever get blamed by left leaning politicos and religious nutjobs are those who are dictatorial tyrants who hate America. I personally think we should bomb them all to hell but then I would be labeled a war monger. Besides if we started bombing every evil dictatorial society then in the end I think we would end up like they are.

We need the p...

If you don't believe they were justified then what is your point? Or
were you simply taking yet another opportunity to bash your country
with more lemming group-think drivel?

If the you refered to in this coment is I then you have misread my comment or taken it out of context because I was being sarcastic. My point was the only people who ever get blamed by left leaning politicos and religious nutjobs are those who are dictatorial tyrants who hate America. I personally think we should bomb them all to hell but then I would be labeled a war monger. Besides if we started bombing every evil dictatorial society then in the end I think we would end up like they are.

We need the presence of evil to exist so that goodness can shine in contrast to the wickedness.

With that attitude...

Oh well, I'll give it a try.

That the attacks of 9/11 did not occur in a vacuum, but instead should be seen inside the context of American/Soviet intervention in Afghanistan, American support for the mujahadeen and the abandonment of the nation and the region by two administrations.

That as Wright was saying, one must be very careful about revenge, even if you feel that revenge is necessary, that even such horrific events do not justify attacking others women and children (as has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq).

That before some exploit the justifiable outrage over the events of that day, one should be careful and first look at one self and ones actions. That per...

With that attitude...

Oh well, I'll give it a try.

That the attacks of 9/11 did not occur in a vacuum, but instead should be seen inside the context of American/Soviet intervention in Afghanistan, American support for the mujahadeen and the abandonment of the nation and the region by two administrations.

That as Wright was saying, one must be very careful about revenge, even if you feel that revenge is necessary, that even such horrific events do not justify attacking others women and children (as has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq).

That before some exploit the justifiable outrage over the events of that day, one should be careful and first look at one self and ones actions. That perhaps this is a chance to deal with terror at home and abroad and with the history of terror and terrorism. You can not claim the moral high ground when your inside a pit.

That I believe was at the core of Rev. Wright sermon. It was never a defense of the hijackers, but questioning the U.S. (goverment) response to them.

But then you said it yourself, you would bomb all "these countries", do you think the explosive radius of a 2,000lb cares who is a bad guy and who is not?

But then you said it yourself, you would bomb all "these countries", do
you think the explosive radius of a 2,000lb cares who is a bad guy and
who is not?

Nope and neither did the hijackers of a huge jumbo jet.

Now to address your points concerning right and wrong and justifiable retaliation.

If as you say, and the Wright Reverend Jeremiah pontificates, that we should refrain from taking action against someone who attacks our nation in a COWARDLY ACT of terrorism because we have somehow mishandled foreign affairs in their nation then yes we are totally on opposites sides of this arguement.

If, to cite your example, Afghanistan has or had a grievance with our government ove...

But then you said it yourself, you would bomb all "these countries", do
you think the explosive radius of a 2,000lb cares who is a bad guy and
who is not?

Nope and neither did the hijackers of a huge jumbo jet.

Now to address your points concerning right and wrong and justifiable retaliation.

If as you say, and the Wright Reverend Jeremiah pontificates, that we should refrain from taking action against someone who attacks our nation in a COWARDLY ACT of terrorism because we have somehow mishandled foreign affairs in their nation then yes we are totally on opposites sides of this arguement.

If, to cite your example, Afghanistan has or had a grievance with our government over real or percieved injustices then there are proper political processes they could utilize to address those grievances. For example the United Nations is a governing body that is supposed to address such civil issues.

Had they chosen to take this route and not employ terrorism as a method of airing their grievances I would consider your argument valid. However if you do harm to your neighbor you better be prepared to recieve harm back. So in that regards we can agree that agressive action will breed aggressive action in return.

However the converse does not hold true, in that non-aggression will breed peace, it will only set you up for an aggressor to conguer and defeat you as a sovereign nation example Afghanistan being ruled by thugs and warlords.

Your argument will only hold up if we are dealing with duly elected
governments of soveign nations and not terrorists and rulers who rule
by brute force and not by rule of law. In other words you can not
negotiate with lawless people in a lawful manner they only understand
brute force.

As a result of our aggressive action toward those warlors in Afghanistan they now have a democratically elected governemnt which may give them a chance to arise out of the ravishes of a warlord controlled cesspool of social injustice.

You have Bushes attitude of the angelic US fighting off the Evil Doers
of the world. I am sure he would pat you on the back for that one as he
is now patting McCain on the back.

No I do not have the attitude that you state. Is America faultess before God? Nope. Is any nation faultless before God? Nope. Do we blow things up just for the heck of it? Nope. Do terrorists blow thing s up for the heck of it? Yep! And they call it doing Allah's work.

Now if you and your ilk would prefer to live like these folks live then I would strongly suggest that you move to their country. If however you enjoy the freedoms this country offers you to speak evil of it and NOT CUT YOUR HEAD OFF li...

You have Bushes attitude of the angelic US fighting off the Evil Doers
of the world. I am sure he would pat you on the back for that one as he
is now patting McCain on the back.

No I do not have the attitude that you state. Is America faultess before God? Nope. Is any nation faultless before God? Nope. Do we blow things up just for the heck of it? Nope. Do terrorists blow thing s up for the heck of it? Yep! And they call it doing Allah's work.

Now if you and your ilk would prefer to live like these folks live then I would strongly suggest that you move to their country. If however you enjoy the freedoms this country offers you to speak evil of it and NOT CUT YOUR HEAD OFF like they would do in Iran and Iraq because you dare speak out against them then you should thank God for people who are willing to fight and die so you can spout off your nonsense.

Is life worth living in a police state or a police planet? I don't
think so. So why bother defending yourself? You must assume the battle
of good verses evil will tip in your favor.

I am not exactly sure I know what you are saying here but if I read correctly you state that life is not worth living in a police state or planet. Is that what you said? And if so then what do you propose we do with those who are FORCED to live in a police state? Kill them because life is not worth living in such a state like you said? OR free them so they can live life like free peoples? OR ignore them? Or do you not have a position?

As far as assuming good will win out over evil I am guarenteed...

Is life worth living in a police state or a police planet? I don't
think so. So why bother defending yourself? You must assume the battle
of good verses evil will tip in your favor.

I am not exactly sure I know what you are saying here but if I read correctly you state that life is not worth living in a police state or planet. Is that what you said? And if so then what do you propose we do with those who are FORCED to live in a police state? Kill them because life is not worth living in such a state like you said? OR free them so they can live life like free peoples? OR ignore them? Or do you not have a position?

As far as assuming good will win out over evil I am guarenteed that by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Yes truth will triumph over falsehood, light will dispel all darkness, life will triumph over death, and good will defeat evil.

The U.S.'s own actions have created the impetus for attacks against us.

To this we will disagree. I do not agree with the Wright Reverend Jeremiah's statements anymore than I agree with yours. The terrorists who hijacked planes full of innocent people are responsible for the 911 attacks. The nations that promote, harbor, train, finance, encourage terrorism and terroists are also to blame. Any nation that is not with us is against us. If they are against us then I say get ready for a fight American's do not run and hide in caves we stand and fight! And for that simple minded people seem to think we are evil when the people who promote evil are given a pass.

Bobby what would ...

The U.S.'s own actions have created the impetus for attacks against us.

To this we will disagree. I do not agree with the Wright Reverend Jeremiah's statements anymore than I agree with yours. The terrorists who hijacked planes full of innocent people are responsible for the 911 attacks. The nations that promote, harbor, train, finance, encourage terrorism and terroists are also to blame. Any nation that is not with us is against us. If they are against us then I say get ready for a fight American's do not run and hide in caves we stand and fight! And for that simple minded people seem to think we are evil when the people who promote evil are given a pass.

Bobby what would you do to protect America from terrorist? What is your solution to the evil in the world? What would you do differently if you were President?

You can not pick a fight and then cry foul if someone fights back.

Infallible logic. It works both ways.

Leave it to the bush administration to screw up everything, remember "oil" was going to pay for the rebuilding of Iraq, not American taxpayer dollars. And you still didn't answer my question of why we didn't attack the real perpetrators of 9/11. After all the vast majority of them were Saudi Arabian not Iraqis.

How would I protect the U.S. from future attacks? By treating others fairly and not through exploitation. The U.S. has treated the Mid-East like its own personal sand box to do whatever it wants.

My family participated in a 20 year project building universities a...

You can not pick a fight and then cry foul if someone fights back.

Infallible logic. It works both ways.

Leave it to the bush administration to screw up everything, remember "oil" was going to pay for the rebuilding of Iraq, not American taxpayer dollars. And you still didn't answer my question of why we didn't attack the real perpetrators of 9/11. After all the vast majority of them were Saudi Arabian not Iraqis.

How would I protect the U.S. from future attacks? By treating others fairly and not through exploitation. The U.S. has treated the Mid-East like its own personal sand box to do whatever it wants.

My family participated in a 20 year project building universities and agricultural expertise in a region of the world considered to be the forefront of the war on terror. The fact that these people will be resistance to others urges to attack the U.S. comes from their experience of the benevolence of the U.S. and not from Machiavellian maneuvers such as over throwing democratically elected governments and sending over $1 Billion in military aid every year to a country that gained its independence through terrorist acts and usurping others lands.

Gun barrel diplomacy is a crock of sh**

And you still didn't answer my question of why we didn't attack the real perpetrators of 9/11. After all the vast majority of them were Saudi Arabian not Iraqis.

Al qaeda terrorists were responsible for the terror attacks on the world trade center. Remember Bin Laden? Irag is a separate issue yet connected to the same issue. Al qaeda terror cells were home based in Afghanistan and training camps were set up in Iraq. Saddaam Hussein violated not one but 11 UN resolutions prompting military action in Iraq. Hostilities continue today because of TERRORIST action in Iraq. The majority of Iraqi citizenry are not fighting with America only a few terror cells are. If they wish for t...

And you still didn't answer my question of why we didn't attack the real perpetrators of 9/11. After all the vast majority of them were Saudi Arabian not Iraqis.

Al qaeda terrorists were responsible for the terror attacks on the world trade center. Remember Bin Laden? Irag is a separate issue yet connected to the same issue. Al qaeda terror cells were home based in Afghanistan and training camps were set up in Iraq. Saddaam Hussein violated not one but 11 UN resolutions prompting military action in Iraq. Hostilities continue today because of TERRORIST action in Iraq. The majority of Iraqi citizenry are not fighting with America only a few terror cells are. If they wish for the fighting to end they need to lay down their weapons and surrender.

I can not understand your disdain for the USA! You say it is an evil empire and at the same time you say we should do good. AMERICA by far exceeds any other nation in benevolence around the world. NO ONE gives or does more than the USA in acts of benevolence around the world. That is a fact! And some still hate us!

Now then if a few people find America so distasteful and in need of annaliation I for one am not going to sit back and allow them to do just that. You bring the fight to us we will bring the fight to you and win!

Now then because you seem to think we deserve senseless acts of terrorism upon our shores again I will say so as not to be misunderstood. You can not start a fight and then cry foul. And for those who seem to have a problem with the USA if you do not like us then DO NOT BUY OUR SH** and if you wish to fight us then do so as MEN and not cowards! Those middle east countries that you think we use as our own sandbox sure as heck fire love our money.

And to quote an superior intellect 'Gun barrel diplomacy is a crock of sh**' and so is blowing things up for the allah of it!

America is a mixed bag of benevolence and exploitation.

I love some things the U.S. stands for and then I despise the cases where we are exploitive. That's no different than Jeremiah Wright who served in the Marines but speaks truth to power when power is wrong.

As is typical ewings and other rightwingers seem only capable of seeing the world in a binary right/wrong world (and then their analysis isn't always correct).

The war in IRAQ is total bullshit and the slugs who weren't bright enough to see past the fear-mongering and patriotism button pushing have finally come around (exceptions in clipmarks noted).

Fight us as men?

I recall Saddam challenged Bush to a duel.

That does seem ...

America is a mixed bag of benevolence and exploitation.

I love some things the U.S. stands for and then I despise the cases where we are exploitive. That's no different than Jeremiah Wright who served in the Marines but speaks truth to power when power is wrong.

As is typical ewings and other rightwingers seem only capable of seeing the world in a binary right/wrong world (and then their analysis isn't always correct).

The war in IRAQ is total bullshit and the slugs who weren't bright enough to see past the fear-mongering and patriotism button pushing have finally come around (exceptions in clipmarks noted).

Fight us as men?

I recall Saddam challenged Bush to a duel.

That does seem more appropriate then the 4,000 soldiers killed, 40,000 plus wounded (and many more undiagnosed cases of head trauma and PTSD), and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed using stealth bombers, drones, cluster bombs, and cancer producing depleted uranium shells.

And to think that Bush the AWOL got to dress up in his figher pilot suit for a joy ride and declare "Mission Accomlished". Talk about WACKADOODLE.

That my friends is the gospel and if the Wright Reverend Jeremiah was a true preacher of righteousness he would have said the same thing. But instead he sprouted out words like God damn America. You know as much as I dislike someone or some thing I would never invoke God to damn them. That is just not the Christian thing to do.

As far as a nation wielding the sword, the sword is not wielded in vain. But again it is written those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Therefore, if you wield a sword and start a fight then do not cry foul when the fight is returned unto you for you have reaped what you have sown. And to think it takes some people an awful long time to understand what ...

That my friends is the gospel and if the Wright Reverend Jeremiah was a true preacher of righteousness he would have said the same thing. But instead he sprouted out words like God damn America. You know as much as I dislike someone or some thing I would never invoke God to damn them. That is just not the Christian thing to do.

As far as a nation wielding the sword, the sword is not wielded in vain. But again it is written those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Therefore, if you wield a sword and start a fight then do not cry foul when the fight is returned unto you for you have reaped what you have sown. And to think it takes some people an awful long time to understand what stares them right in the face. This once again proves why you can not reason with tyrants and thugs because the only thing they understand is brute force.

To all our faithful men and women in the armed forces, you have once again been called upon by our nation to wage war on behalf of the people of this nation. Although some would seem to despise your endeavors I am so very thankful to all of you who have volunteered to lay down your life for us. To you I say God bless you one and all! I shall forever be indebted to you for your faithful service!

If there is a god, America doesn't hold a special privilege of doing no wrong. That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.

That's all we've been talking about here and your comments prove it over and over.

Jeremiah Wright is correct. If we live in a world of vengeance then we shouldn't be crying foul when we got attacked on 9/11. You can't go around over throwing people governments and carving up the world placing borders where you see fit.

Jeremiah Wright couldn't be more correct.

And once again you go off on your ridiculous tangent that somehow because we are stating the fact that Bush misused the military and is responsible for the deaths of those soldiers that we don't support ...

If there is a god, America doesn't hold a special privilege of doing no wrong. That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.

That's all we've been talking about here and your comments prove it over and over.

Jeremiah Wright is correct. If we live in a world of vengeance then we shouldn't be crying foul when we got attacked on 9/11. You can't go around over throwing people governments and carving up the world placing borders where you see fit.

Jeremiah Wright couldn't be more correct.

And once again you go off on your ridiculous tangent that somehow because we are stating the fact that Bush misused the military and is responsible for the deaths of those soldiers that we don't support the military. Nothing is more deranged and absurd then what the neocons have done.

The Iraq war is bullshit.

Bobby I do not know why I waste my time or energy trying to talk to you because you do not listen. You have made up your mind that you are right and the rest of the world be damned. Jeremiah Wright is wrong, you are wrong, your whole foundation is factually inaccurate. I do not have the time to try to enlighten you on all the errors of your thinking so I shall just have to allow God to sort it all out.

But because you seem to be simple minded I shall make this very easy for you. STOP BITCHING if you are getting your ass kicked because you decided you wanted to kick some ass! That means if you do not want to fight then do not start the fight but if you are the fight you best win the fight o...

Bobby I do not know why I waste my time or energy trying to talk to you because you do not listen. You have made up your mind that you are right and the rest of the world be damned. Jeremiah Wright is wrong, you are wrong, your whole foundation is factually inaccurate. I do not have the time to try to enlighten you on all the errors of your thinking so I shall just have to allow God to sort it all out.

But because you seem to be simple minded I shall make this very easy for you. STOP BITCHING if you are getting your ass kicked because you decided you wanted to kick some ass! That means if you do not want to fight then do not start the fight but if you are the fight you best win the fight or you will most definitely loose the fight. And since AL Qaeda decided they wanted to fight they should not be bitching for having to fight in fact they welcome it. They believe they are going to win the fight and with people like you supporting their efforts they just may.

Factoid: We are not at war with IRAQ we are fighting along with the government of Iraq to stabilize it from terrorists. But that fact escapes you.

finally:

The Iraq war is bullshit.

Tell that to the millions of FREE IRAQI citizens.

Maybe I haven't answered your questions because I use one comment for every three of yours.

Your just on a screed, a ramble, which is fine. It's your right....... not that you are right.

There are 2 wars. You'll notice that I haven't once said that we shouldn't be in Afghanistan. But Iraq was sold on a pack-of-lies that was all about controlling oil production. There was no Al Qaeda there until after our invasion. Saddam was a secularist and BIn Laden and Al Qaeda wanted him taken out. Bush did Bin Laden's bidding.

We aren't fighting alongside Iraq. We are fighting Iraqis. Are you so devoid of any reality that you aren't aware we had to buy off the Sunnis with American taxpayer dollars t...

Maybe I haven't answered your questions because I use one comment for every three of yours.

Your just on a screed, a ramble, which is fine. It's your right....... not that you are right.

There are 2 wars. You'll notice that I haven't once said that we shouldn't be in Afghanistan. But Iraq was sold on a pack-of-lies that was all about controlling oil production. There was no Al Qaeda there until after our invasion. Saddam was a secularist and BIn Laden and Al Qaeda wanted him taken out. Bush did Bin Laden's bidding.

We aren't fighting alongside Iraq. We are fighting Iraqis. Are you so devoid of any reality that you aren't aware we had to buy off the Sunnis with American taxpayer dollars to stop shooting at our soldiers? Now we are fighting the Shiites of the Mahdi Army.

Not fighting Iraq? What world do you live in?

Not fighting Iraq? What world do you live in?

I am so thankful that my world view is not scewed so out of phase that I can not tell good from evil. My world view is simply this. Wars have been going on from the dawn of time, the first murder took place when Cain argued with Able about the proper way to worship God. We will have wars until the end of time. Until Jesus comes to finally put to end all the evil in the world we will have to live with it or die because of it.

Our military exsists to protect us freedom loving people from people who seem to think we do not deserve to live (radical islam for bobby). Their own statements indicate they wish to annihilate the great Sat...

Not fighting Iraq? What world do you live in?

I am so thankful that my world view is not scewed so out of phase that I can not tell good from evil. My world view is simply this. Wars have been going on from the dawn of time, the first murder took place when Cain argued with Able about the proper way to worship God. We will have wars until the end of time. Until Jesus comes to finally put to end all the evil in the world we will have to live with it or die because of it.

Our military exsists to protect us freedom loving people from people who seem to think we do not deserve to live (radical islam for bobby). Their own statements indicate they wish to annihilate the great Satan (US for Bobby) and Israel while they are at it. Now then as bad as America is I do not believe the USA or any nation for that matter should be annihilated just because they do not agree with the way I life or think.

That being said: I do not make foreign policy nor do I sit in government security breifings. I do not know what they know all I know is this, I am so thankful that for the most part America is a nation of laws. The greatest experiment in human goverance of all time has its flaws but to ask God to damn America is just senseless.

I want God to bless America not because we are perfect but because we need his blessing in order to survive as a nation. For that matter any nation would be well served to have God's blessing upon us.

If the Wright Reverend Jeremiah, feels that America is to blame for all the ills in the world and needs to mends her ways I believe there are much better ways to say it then GOD DAMN America don't you?

Using the Wright Reverend's remarks we could say God damn Africa for all the fornication going on! OR God Damn Iraq for worshiping strange gods or God damn Haiti for witchcraft, which is condemned by the way in the bible. But I would rather say God bless us one and all. What say you?

I believe you have probably seen only the sound bites used by conservatives to discredit Reverand Wright and have no clue what his message is.

A nation of laws? What law is it that allows you to over throw democratically elected governments?

Your right, our military exists to protect us. Not to be used for preemptive wars based on a pack of lies.

And yes, your views are out of phase with the rest of the U.S. 63% of the U.S. knows Iraq was a mistake and wants us out of there. The majority of Iraqis don't want us there.

You only argue out of your pride and inability to admit that you and the neocons were dead wrong.

It's disconcerting that you are willing to accept what ever comes out o...

I believe you have probably seen only the sound bites used by conservatives to discredit Reverand Wright and have no clue what his message is.

A nation of laws? What law is it that allows you to over throw democratically elected governments?

Your right, our military exists to protect us. Not to be used for preemptive wars based on a pack of lies.

And yes, your views are out of phase with the rest of the U.S. 63% of the U.S. knows Iraq was a mistake and wants us out of there. The majority of Iraqis don't want us there.

You only argue out of your pride and inability to admit that you and the neocons were dead wrong.

It's disconcerting that you are willing to accept what ever comes out of your government even when there is evidence to refute the pack of lies they are selling.

I say we will be judge by our actions. Most of the world loves the U.S. but after nearly 30 years of republican rule in the White House they are beginning to question what the U.S. is all about. We can't live off of our reputation following WW II for ever. Those parts of the world which have felt more of our exploitation than are benevolence don't feel so great about the U.S.

And you still to refuse to address the issue that Iraq was not the country behind 9/11, the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia.

Let's invade Saudi Arabia, I guess. What say you?

The majority voted to crucify Christ as well that does not mean just because everyone is saying it makes it right.

I have learned throughout the course of my lifetime that when the majority of the people are going in one direction it is best to be walking in the opposite direction because BROAD and WIDE is the way that leads to destruction and many thereby find that way.

It is easy to follow a crowd but tough to stand as a minority. I shall remain as I am then in the minority because I am an eagle and not a doo doo bird or like someone said a wackadoodle.

And judging from the comments and arguments offered up by Bobby and his mentor Rev Wright I can see destruction coming more swiftly t...

The majority voted to crucify Christ as well that does not mean just because everyone is saying it makes it right.

I have learned throughout the course of my lifetime that when the majority of the people are going in one direction it is best to be walking in the opposite direction because BROAD and WIDE is the way that leads to destruction and many thereby find that way.

It is easy to follow a crowd but tough to stand as a minority. I shall remain as I am then in the minority because I am an eagle and not a doo doo bird or like someone said a wackadoodle.

And judging from the comments and arguments offered up by Bobby and his mentor Rev Wright I can see destruction coming more swiftly then I care to see it. Wackadoodle alert!

Beam me up there is no more intelligent life left down here! Eagle Out!

@eagle:

Now if you and your ilk would prefer to live like these folks live then
I would strongly suggest that you move to their country. If however you
enjoy the freedoms this country offers you to speak evil of it and NOT
CUT YOUR HEAD OFF like they would do in Iran and Iraq because you dare
speak out against them then you should thank God for people who are
willing to fight and die so you can spout off your nonsense.

Besides the fact that we all gotta die sometime, the means is not all that important.

As far as thanking God for the ones who fought for this country, God had nothing to do with it. People may SAY that God was with us, but that is only a ploy to recruit more so...

@eagle:

Now if you and your ilk would prefer to live like these folks live then
I would strongly suggest that you move to their country. If however you
enjoy the freedoms this country offers you to speak evil of it and NOT
CUT YOUR HEAD OFF like they would do in Iran and Iraq because you dare
speak out against them then you should thank God for people who are
willing to fight and die so you can spout off your nonsense.

Besides the fact that we all gotta die sometime, the means is not all that important.

As far as thanking God for the ones who fought for this country, God had nothing to do with it. People may SAY that God was with us, but that is only a ploy to recruit more soldiers.

Because I have the freedom to speak out against this country means that I should not use that freedom, according to you.

Because I have the freedom to speak out against this country means that I should not use that freedom, according to you.

I do not believe I said that. I said you have the freedom to say and do whatever your little heart desires because of the brave men and women who have fought and died through the years to give us that priviledge. However; if our freedoms are going to be guarded in the future by folks like you then perhaps we better utilize the freedom of speech while we still have it because before long we will no longer be free to express our discontent with our nation for we will have become like the nations you seem to take a shining to.

I do not agree with your point o...

Because I have the freedom to speak out against this country means that I should not use that freedom, according to you.

I do not believe I said that. I said you have the freedom to say and do whatever your little heart desires because of the brave men and women who have fought and died through the years to give us that priviledge. However; if our freedoms are going to be guarded in the future by folks like you then perhaps we better utilize the freedom of speech while we still have it because before long we will no longer be free to express our discontent with our nation for we will have become like the nations you seem to take a shining to.

I do not agree with your point of view and you do not agree with mine but one of the greatnesses of this country is we all have the right to say what we believe. Try doing that in lets say Iran?

That's where the terrorists came from and the money comes from.

Asked and answered but you do not read. If you actually read something other than left wing propaganda blogs you may actually learn something. You are starting to bore me Bobby. Now go find someone else to badger I do not have the time nor patience to continue to play this silly game of yours. You failed to even address any of my questions and you have not put forth one factual statement in all the comments you have made.

Your comments have been filled with over simplistic generalities not supported by any actual facts. Not once in all of your blabbering have you mentioned the SICK TWISTED Islamic terroists who ...

That's where the terrorists came from and the money comes from.

Asked and answered but you do not read. If you actually read something other than left wing propaganda blogs you may actually learn something. You are starting to bore me Bobby. Now go find someone else to badger I do not have the time nor patience to continue to play this silly game of yours. You failed to even address any of my questions and you have not put forth one factual statement in all the comments you have made.

Your comments have been filled with over simplistic generalities not supported by any actual facts. Not once in all of your blabbering have you mentioned the SICK TWISTED Islamic terroists who actually committed the crimes you seem to think America is guilty of! WHY DO THEY GET A PASS FROM YOU? Nevermind I really do not care to hear your answer it would only be more BS.

To repeat my answer about Saudi ARABIA why the hell would you want to attack them? YOU HATE WAR! You keep saying that AMERICA goes to war unjustly so why do you want to attack another country? The SOBs responsible for the 911 attacks are being sought and captured or killed but of course you would know all this if you actually knew anything.

Actually, I did address you about the terrorists. I have told you time and time again that they came from Saudi Arabia and not Iraq. Therefore I posed the question why you aren't proposing invading Saudi Arabia which you conveniently ignore time and time again. It's not about what I want it's about what you want. You are the one seeking justice for 9/11. So how about it. Shouldn't we invade Saudi Arabia? Answer the question.

Afghanistan was justified but has been neglected because Bush and company sold us a pack of lies leading us into the quagmire of Iraq.

Go through the comments and you will see that I am the only person who linked a factual article concerning the U.S. propensity to ove...

Actually, I did address you about the terrorists. I have told you time and time again that they came from Saudi Arabia and not Iraq. Therefore I posed the question why you aren't proposing invading Saudi Arabia which you conveniently ignore time and time again. It's not about what I want it's about what you want. You are the one seeking justice for 9/11. So how about it. Shouldn't we invade Saudi Arabia? Answer the question.

Afghanistan was justified but has been neglected because Bush and company sold us a pack of lies leading us into the quagmire of Iraq.

Go through the comments and you will see that I am the only person who linked a factual article concerning the U.S. propensity to overthrow governments in the Mid-East. Juan Cole is a noted Mid-East expert, not a propagandist.

You haven't done anything but listed the lords prayer and waved the flag. Period. My guess is you don't know squat about anything in the Mid-East, Wahhabism, the Bush family relationship with the House of Faud, U.S. complicity in aiding the Baathists and Saddam, the overthrow of President Mossadeq in Iran. Just another right wing blow horn.

I will read those but it won't be today. But some time in the next 2 weeks.

However, it is my belief that the way you combat the influence of radical Islam is not through preemptive wars that were based on BS lies and never will be. Once again, I have stated that Afghanistan was reasonable but gets neglected from Bush desire to control the oil in Iraq.

Within two paragraphs of the Aghanistan article you linked it states that the whole motive was to control oil flow in the region.

Thank you for confirming and supporting my statement that this has always been about the oil.

It is a well known fact of those that study history that the reason for the U.S./British over throw of President Mos...

I will read those but it won't be today. But some time in the next 2 weeks.

However, it is my belief that the way you combat the influence of radical Islam is not through preemptive wars that were based on BS lies and never will be. Once again, I have stated that Afghanistan was reasonable but gets neglected from Bush desire to control the oil in Iraq.

Within two paragraphs of the Aghanistan article you linked it states that the whole motive was to control oil flow in the region.

Thank you for confirming and supporting my statement that this has always been about the oil.

It is a well known fact of those that study history that the reason for the U.S./British over throw of President Mossadeq in Iran was due to his nationalizing of Iran's oil production. God forbid that you should think that you should receive the majority of the profits from the oil beneath your soil.

And I am very confident that after reading the article will confirm what Jeremiah Wright has said. Your actions will come back against you if they are unjust. The Shah may have served a purpose in the minds of some and stayed in power for 23 years. Now we are in the 28th year since his ouster paying for having put him in charge against the people's will.

I am also confident that I will read that Wahabbism that stems from Saudi Arabia, and the House of Faud (Bush's friends), and that is fueled by the West's continued reliance on oil is one of the major spreaders of radical islam.

Nice that you are too afraid to answer the question on Saudi Arabia.

Here is the actual quote in context because you are all about context Bobby.

Although Afghanistan experienced massive changes between 1973 and 1990--four coups, the intervention and withdrawal of the Soviet armed forces, the exile of one-third of its population as a result of the war, and one million deaths—U.S. policy toward Afghanistan throughout this period actually remained the same: to prevent "excessive" Soviet influence. Specifically, this meant denying the Soviet Union a foothold in Afghanistan from which to launch aggressive actions in the region. Afghanistan by itself was of little importance to the United States. But the area around it—the Persian Gulf and the sea lines an...

Here is the actual quote in context because you are all about context Bobby.

Although Afghanistan experienced massive changes between 1973 and 1990--four coups, the intervention and withdrawal of the Soviet armed forces, the exile of one-third of its population as a result of the war, and one million deaths—U.S. policy toward Afghanistan throughout this period actually remained the same: to prevent "excessive" Soviet influence. Specifically, this meant denying the Soviet Union a foothold in Afghanistan from which to launch aggressive actions in the region. Afghanistan by itself was of little importance to the United States. But the area around it—the Persian Gulf and the sea lines and ports of the Indian Ocean—was deemed critical, and U.S. policy toward Afghanistan consistently reflected a regional policy that sought strong and friendly ties with Iran and Pakistan. Hence, the two factors shaping U.S. policy in Afghanistan also remained consistent: the U.S. perception of Soviet goals in Afghanistan, and the balance of power in the region.

Until the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979, the United States was able to project its power into South Asia and protect its interests there with confidence. In exchange for massive military assistance, the Shah provided the United States with access to military bases and intelligence facilities, helping to safeguard the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf to the "free world" while preventing potential Soviet advances toward the Gulf or Indian Ocean.

Typical problem with right wingers. They forget the past or play down the fact that any of our previous actions are relevant to todays world. Unlike the U.S., a lot of places and countries have thousands of years of history and they don't forget easily.

What you have shown is that the motivation for the Soviets was the same as it was for the U.S. It was all about oil and it had little if nothing to do with supplying democracy to Arabs.

Iran had a democratically elected government and its leader was President Mossadeq until he was over thrown by joint U.S. and British forces. What was President Mossadeq's big sin? He told the "free world" hey, you are shafting us by giving us only 10 cents ...

Typical problem with right wingers. They forget the past or play down the fact that any of our previous actions are relevant to todays world. Unlike the U.S., a lot of places and countries have thousands of years of history and they don't forget easily.

What you have shown is that the motivation for the Soviets was the same as it was for the U.S. It was all about oil and it had little if nothing to do with supplying democracy to Arabs.

Iran had a democratically elected government and its leader was President Mossadeq until he was over thrown by joint U.S. and British forces. What was President Mossadeq's big sin? He told the "free world" hey, you are shafting us by giving us only 10 cents on the dollar for our oil. Since you aren't going to pay us a reasonable price I am going to nationalize our oil resources.

Well, the subjogated world never tells the "free world" what to do. If the U.S. was a truly capitalistic and 100% democracy driven country they would have negotiated a reasonable price for Iran's oil in an arm's length transaction. But no they overthrow the government against the will of the people and install the Shah.

If you had read the article I linked by Mid-East specialist Professor Juan Cole at the University of Michigan you would have seen the same U.S. reason for supporting the Baathists in Iraq and U.S. manueverings to help Saddam come to power. It was about oil.

It's always been about the oil.

READ THIS! I mean REALLY READ THIS! GET real close so you can read it clearly. I AM GOING TO WRITE BIG BECAUSE YOUR EYES MAY NOT SEE VERY WELL!

Okay did I get your attention now? Follow me closely here Bobby. Nod your head if you can see this?

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I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wish it was about the damn OIL we surely could use a shit load of it! And if it is ...

READ THIS! I mean REALLY READ THIS! GET real close so you can read it clearly. I AM GOING TO WRITE BIG BECAUSE YOUR EYES MAY NOT SEE VERY WELL!

Okay did I get your attention now? Follow me closely here Bobby. Nod your head if you can see this?

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I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wish it was about the damn OIL we surely could use a shit load of it! And if it is then is say HURRY UP ALREADY and take the damn oil quit pissin around and kick those towels heads back to the freakin stone ages and take their damned oil. THE WHOLE freakin world thinks that is why we are there so damn it all to heck take the GD oil already Bush so we can drive our SUV's

Thanks for playing........ GAME OVER!!!!

@eagle:

perhaps we better utilize the freedom of speech while we still have it
because before long we will no longer be free to express our discontent
with our nation

BAMM!!....you hit the nail on the head,dude!!!!

The last time I checked our military was an ALL VOLUNTEER force. WHICH
means no one forced anyone to join they WILLINGLY VOLUNTEERED you know
signed up on purpose.

VOLUNTEERED????..I don't see any Senators sons VOLUNTEERING, do you?..Who is VOLUNTEERING? Those who need the money, the desperate and downtrodden.Why is the military now lowering their standards and letting in felons and those with no HS diploma?The poor man has always fought the rich ...

@eagle:

perhaps we better utilize the freedom of speech while we still have it
because before long we will no longer be free to express our discontent
with our nation

BAMM!!....you hit the nail on the head,dude!!!!

The last time I checked our military was an ALL VOLUNTEER force. WHICH
means no one forced anyone to join they WILLINGLY VOLUNTEERED you know
signed up on purpose.

VOLUNTEERED????..I don't see any Senators sons VOLUNTEERING, do you?..Who is VOLUNTEERING? Those who need the money, the desperate and downtrodden.Why is the military now lowering their standards and letting in felons and those with no HS diploma?The poor man has always fought the rich man's wars.

THE WHOLE freakin world thinks that is why we are there so damn it all
to heck take the GD oil already Bush so we can drive our SUV's

It is more profitable all around just to CONTROL the oil than to TAKE it. Look how much money the oil companies are making off YOU alone since last summer? Do the numbers.