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7-8-2007 8:12 AM1106 views
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7-8-2007 10:52 AM
The REAL Napster
MY products have been made from PLA from the start. Paul Newmans own, Wal-Mart, BIOTA water, and a host of others have also been using it now for 3-4 years. We are waiting for the rest of the slow learners to catch up. Again.
7-8-2007 11:39 AM
gingembre
Too bad that PLA only degrades when composted, not in landfills. Hopefully recycling technology will soon develop affordable ways to separate PLA bottles (and Dripnots ) from the rest of the *plastics*.

Good clip, Newfman.
7-8-2007 3:43 PM
The REAL Napster
Too bad that PLA only degrades when composted, not in landfills.
Not true. PLA materials break down faster (in as little as 90 days under perfect condidtions) but will still break back down even in a landfill. It just takes alot longer. One of the problems with any materials in landfills has been oxygen levels. Even hot dogs and news papers don't break down if buried deep enough and starved of oxygen. Bacteria and microbes need the O2 to break things down, that's just how it works.

Given the choice between a polystyrene plastic and PLA plastic the PLA wins. Styrofoam (which is EPS expanded polystyrene) will be around for over 300 years. You cannot say that a...
7-8-2007 4:47 PM
gingembre
I got my info about PLA from this article in the Smithsonian, Napster. I'm not trying to be difficult, just pointing out that PLA isn't as biodegradable as a lot of people would like to believe. It needs special composting conditions; it doesn't breakdown in the average home compost bin. From the Smithsonian article:
According to a biodegradability standard that Mojo [executive director of the Biodegradable
Products Institute] helped develop, PLA is said to decompose into carbon dioxide and water in a “controlled composting environment” in fewer than 90 days. What’s a controlled composting environment? Not...
7-8-2007 4:49 PM
gingembre
For their part, recycling facilities have problems with PLA too. They worry that consumers will simply dump PLA in with their PET. To plastic processors, PLA in tiny amounts is merely a nuisance. But in large amounts it can be an expensive hassle. In the recycling business, soda bottles, milk jugs and the like are collected and baled by materials recovery facilities, or MRFs (pronounced “murfs”). The MRFs sell the material to processors, which break down the plastic into pellets or flakes, which are, in turn, made into new products, such as carpeting, fiberfill, or containers for detergent or motor oil. Because PLA and PET mix about as well as oil and water, recyclers consider PLA a c...
7-8-2007 9:44 PM
The REAL Napster
Good points and correct for the most part. PLA is recyclable as well as compostable...IF you have the facilites to do it. But that's true of most any recyclable material. As use of PLA grows so will the composting facilities. I shredded mine in my blender with warm water and added them to my compost pile. Over 2 months later there was no trace of it any more, so they do indeed breakdown. Most city folk do't have the means to have a compost pile, understandably. But again I would much rather be burying PLA then PET anyday. PET is made from a non-renewable resource (Oil) that costs us all dearly.
7-9-2007 2:04 AM
The REAL Napster
Gingembre-


Also from that Smithsonian article you referenced:


Eric Lombardi, president of the Grassroots Recycling Network and a leader in the international Zero Waste movement, takes a nuanced view of PLA’s progress. He says it’s “visionary” even to think about biologically based plastic instead of a petroleum-based one. True, he says, there are problems with PLA, “but let’s not kill the good in pursuit of the perfect.” He suggests that the difficulty disposing of PLA reflects a larger deficiency in how we handle trash. He’s calling for a composting revolution. “We need a convenient, creative c...
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