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Yeah, because we all know that there has been no bloodied Palestinians lately.

Either you're pushing the point about them doing the exhibit because you've got some anti-semitic streak or trying to be comical, I'm not sure which.

Every time Israeli's sneeze in those parts - it's all over CNN and newspapers and on the Web. What military actions? We're fully informed about 'military actions' as they occur. You think pulling this exhibit does an iota of changing anyone's opinion or access to the situation down there? You can't be seriously thinking that... so what's wrong with the school trying to be fair... They didn't say they don't want to show the palestinian side period, they just thought it was too single-sided, which IT IS.

As for the enforcement - do you have...

Either you're pushing the point about them doing the exhibit because you've got some anti-semitic streak or trying to be comical, I'm not sure which.

Every time Israeli's sneeze in those parts - it's all over CNN and newspapers and on the Web. What military actions? We're fully informed about 'military actions' as they occur. You think pulling this exhibit does an iota of changing anyone's opinion or access to the situation down there? You can't be seriously thinking that... so what's wrong with the school trying to be fair... They didn't say they don't want to show the palestinian side period, they just thought it was too single-sided, which IT IS.

As for the enforcement - do you have any information where they showed an Israeli exhibit showing suicide bombers only? If so - I'd like to see the evidence of it.

1. I didn't say you WERE, I simply eluded that you might have a streak Doesn't mean that's the case - if you deny it. Obviously you know yourself better than anyone else.

2. Let's just say I view terrorist activities differently than either military or counter-terrorist activities. I would state that usually collateral damage on the palestinian side is unintended, although definitely present. On the Israeli side - it's intended to be nothing but collateral damage.

3. Well, universities should do more to make sure people are educated and not brainwashed. We've seen too many professors pushing their ideology, instead of teaching the subjects, presenting all views and letting the stude...

1. I didn't say you WERE, I simply eluded that you might have a streak Doesn't mean that's the case - if you deny it. Obviously you know yourself better than anyone else.

2. Let's just say I view terrorist activities differently than either military or counter-terrorist activities. I would state that usually collateral damage on the palestinian side is unintended, although definitely present. On the Israeli side - it's intended to be nothing but collateral damage.

3. Well, universities should do more to make sure people are educated and not brainwashed. We've seen too many professors pushing their ideology, instead of teaching the subjects, presenting all views and letting the students be intelligent enough to make their own decisions on the subject. That's NOT the case in most universities today.

And with all due respect - I'll point out a small flaw in your reasoning... you advocate that it was wrong for this school to not let this one-sided exhibit to be displayed without balance. But you also advocate that whenever an Israeli side is presented (although I've never heard of such exhibit anywhere) - why don't they push the point to ensure both sides are presented. So, to be totally logical - you're saying that if Israeli exhibit is there - it should have balance, but you're also advocating that this school should've allowed a single-sided exhibit for the palestinians. Doesn't seem fair to me. Either everyone always shows both sides or show nothing - that would be most fair, in my opinion.

1. Of course I am not an anti-semite, nor do I have "streaks" of anti-semitism. I think it is grossly unfair that critics of Israel's conduct and occupation have to deny being prejudiced towards Jews, while people who say things like: "I find [Palestinians] evil because they send their children to blow themselves up to kill other men, women and children - that's evil in my book." don't get called on their gross stereotyping of an entire ethnic group/nationality/whatever. It seems to me this disparity occurs in the broader public discourse about Israel, witness the flap over the Walt & Mearscheimer paper--they get accused of being anti-Semitic despite the authors' protests to the contrary...

1. Of course I am not an anti-semite, nor do I have "streaks" of anti-semitism. I think it is grossly unfair that critics of Israel's conduct and occupation have to deny being prejudiced towards Jews, while people who say things like: "I find [Palestinians] evil because they send their children to blow themselves up to kill other men, women and children - that's evil in my book." don't get called on their gross stereotyping of an entire ethnic group/nationality/whatever. It seems to me this disparity occurs in the broader public discourse about Israel, witness the flap over the Walt & Mearscheimer paper--they get accused of being anti-Semitic despite the authors' protests to the contrary, but those who defend Israel's conduct don't feel compelled to deny they are anti-Arab or anti-Muslim or anti-Palestinian everytime they speak or write. My preference would be that the discussion be about the issues at hand, rather than the supposed bad qualities of those participating in the conversation.

3. You misunderstand my point. I was not calling for Brandeis to regulate pro-Israeli exhibits. I was saying that if there was a pro-Israel exhibit, or a pro-Israeli event that happened on campus grounds, the university would NOT intervene to require that an opposing viewpoint be present. I think students should be free to express their pro-Israel or pro-human rights or pro-whatever viewpoint without being required to find an opposing viewpoint to complement them. Universities are supposed to be spaces for free and open discourse, even to views we find abhorrent, and Brandeis clearly is violating this ideal by forcing the student to take down her exhibit.

1. There was a study done throughout the middle east and over 98% either significantly dislike or hate the Jews. I'm sympathetic with your call for not being stereotypical, but the facts are on the table. I'm not familiar with the incident that you're describing and have no idea whether the person is anti-semite or not... that's not really relevant. Anyone can call anyone whatever they want... but what is relevant, at least to me, is that it's not a reciprocal type of warfare, i.e. an arab blows up bus full of civilians (I'm not trying to make a graphical point here, I'm just stating as it is) and in revenge or whatever you want to call it - the Israelis blow up a bus of their own. That's...

1. There was a study done throughout the middle east and over 98% either significantly dislike or hate the Jews. I'm sympathetic with your call for not being stereotypical, but the facts are on the table. I'm not familiar with the incident that you're describing and have no idea whether the person is anti-semite or not... that's not really relevant. Anyone can call anyone whatever they want... but what is relevant, at least to me, is that it's not a reciprocal type of warfare, i.e. an arab blows up bus full of civilians (I'm not trying to make a graphical point here, I'm just stating as it is) and in revenge or whatever you want to call it - the Israelis blow up a bus of their own. That's NOT what's going on. The point I want to make here is that you and I are debating ways to stop the conflict and do the Rodney King thing... reality of it, which is pretty clear to me - the arabs do NOT want peace wit hthe Jews. What they want is what Hitler wanted, but couldn't accomplish, although he certainly gave it a shot. Proof of this is the survey I mentioned and the comments made by the Iranian president. That's the bottom line. The US tried really hard to make peace between the two side, many, many times and partially succeeded with Egypt, as an example. But the palestinians don't have Anwar Saddat or someone of his wisdom and leadership... Abbas was as good as they've ever had and now he's being pushed aside. So, this cat-like fight continues, Israel is trying various tactics to kill the leaders of the terrorism, get out of Gaza (and thus almost immediately being shelled from there) etc. Obviously Israel has the firepower to put an end to it once and for all, but US is holding them back and the game continues. So many died here - so many died there... a truce for a few months and here we go again. So, this is where I differ greatly with your sentiments - the palestinians do not want peace in my opinion.

3. It's not a secret that most US universities these days are heavily liberal, so as much as I want to agree with you that it would be nice to have an open and fair debate on all issues and have students be creative, proactive and thoughtful, only one side of the equation is beiing taught in most schools. That's what I have a problem with. We should NOT have university professors who support organizations, physically, financially and academically that are pro-terrorist and anti-US. But we do, a number of them. But, we should also not have to deal with teachers sleeping with students in school, but they do and the whole education thing is another huge subject. I was amazed after immigra...

3. It's not a secret that most US universities these days are heavily liberal, so as much as I want to agree with you that it would be nice to have an open and fair debate on all issues and have students be creative, proactive and thoughtful, only one side of the equation is beiing taught in most schools. That's what I have a problem with. We should NOT have university professors who support organizations, physically, financially and academically that are pro-terrorist and anti-US. But we do, a number of them. But, we should also not have to deal with teachers sleeping with students in school, but they do and the whole education thing is another huge subject. I was amazed after immigrating here, how inadequate American schools were, despite obscene amounts of money being spent on each student (in comparison to what I was used to before). After 8 years in the old USSR, I had enough credits to graduate high school and half term of a university - that's crazy that it works like that. My little sister was learning in 4th grade what I learned in 1st. America can and should do better on the education spectrum, both grade level and college level... but like I said - it's another subject...

RS, individuals and organizations who claim to speak for Palestinians and Israeli Jews are responsible for many civilian deaths. According to the pro-Israeli think-tank, the Institute For Counter-Terrorism, the Israeli military killed 1099 Palestinian non-combatants while Palestinian militants killed 764 Israeli non-combatants. To me, that says that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a lot more morally ambiguous than "Bad Arab Terrorists vs. Good Israeli military, whose actions occasionally result in regretable civilian deaths". To me, that says that the justness of the actions of the Israeli state and military are wide...

RS, individuals and organizations who claim to speak for Palestinians and Israeli Jews are responsible for many civilian deaths. According to the pro-Israeli think-tank, the Institute For Counter-Terrorism, the Israeli military killed 1099 Palestinian non-combatants while Palestinian militants killed 764 Israeli non-combatants. To me, that says that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a lot more morally ambiguous than "Bad Arab Terrorists vs. Good Israeli military, whose actions occasionally result in regretable civilian deaths". To me, that says that the justness of the actions of the Israeli state and military are wide open to debate, and I can't help but feel that when Israel defenders label Israel critics "anti-semites" the intention is to shut down debate. For the record, I believe that targeting Israeli civilians for attacks is wrong.

Given the violence that both sides inflict on each other, and the suffering that both sides endure, I think it is very dangerous to say that members of one group are evil. When you say that "Palestinains are evil because they engage in suicide bombing" to my ears you are pretty much saying that all or nearly all Palestinians bear a collective responsibility for the violence done by Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa-Martyr's-Brigade and Hamas and other organizations, and that all or nearly all Palestinians are evil, even the ones who do not assist in suicide bombings. Reducing all the people in the category "Palestinian" to the murderous actions of Islamic Jihad et al denies them their humanity.

I don't know what survey you are referring to, if you have a link I would like to check it out. I do find it hard to believe that 98% of a large sample would agree on any issue. For a survey which suggests that both moderation and extremism are common among Palestinians, check this out--it shows that a majority of Palestinians support suicide bombings, but a large percentage oppose them, too. Given the conditions of the occupation, I don't find it hard to believe that many Palestinians dislike Israel or support violence towards Israelis. Are such people "evil"? I dunno. On Clipmarks we have travislaborde who has been advocating viol...

I don't know what survey you are referring to, if you have a link I would like to check it out. I do find it hard to believe that 98% of a large sample would agree on any issue. For a survey which suggests that both moderation and extremism are common among Palestinians, check this out--it shows that a majority of Palestinians support suicide bombings, but a large percentage oppose them, too. Given the conditions of the occupation, I don't find it hard to believe that many Palestinians dislike Israel or support violence towards Israelis. Are such people "evil"? I dunno. On Clipmarks we have travislaborde who has been advocating violence against all Arabs. Is he evil? I don't think you can say a Palestinian who hates Jews and tells a pollster that he advocates for suicide bombing is evil while travislaborde is not.

For more information on the Walt & Mearscheimer flap: 1, 2.

"the arabs do NOT want peace wit hthe Jews. What they want is what Hitler wanted, but couldn't accomplish...Proof of this...[are] the comments made by the Iranian president."

Well, I don't think you can say Iranians should be judged for the remarks of their president, because I sure as hell don't want to be judged by what George W. Bush says and does. Moreover, Iranians are not Arabs...I think this misinformation tends to go-hand-in-hand with seeing members of a group as being all alike, all "evil".

Finally, I do NOT understand how your beef with universities and professors has ANYTHING to do with the Brandeis student. She had space in the library to do a classroom project. The way she used that space pissed off people. Brandeis took down her exhibit. Brandeis definitely let down its students by not teaching them the value of freedom of expression.

You want to go on... ok... Here's the major fallacy with your approach - you're telling this to me, even though I share in your desire to be free and fair. Why don't you try it on both Israelis and Palestinians? I think the Israelis will listen to you, as exemplified in the fact that they published the very quote you cited. Palestinians - I would bet that they couldn't care less what you have to say. And that's where the problem is - it's not me - it's them. They don't want discussions! Period. I don't know if you're Jewish or not, but if you are - they want you dead!!! And that's with the fact that they don't even know you! That's why to me you don't put up an exhibit showing their ...

You want to go on... ok... Here's the major fallacy with your approach - you're telling this to me, even though I share in your desire to be free and fair. Why don't you try it on both Israelis and Palestinians? I think the Israelis will listen to you, as exemplified in the fact that they published the very quote you cited. Palestinians - I would bet that they couldn't care less what you have to say. And that's where the problem is - it's not me - it's them. They don't want discussions! Period. I don't know if you're Jewish or not, but if you are - they want you dead!!! And that's with the fact that they don't even know you! That's why to me you don't put up an exhibit showing their point of view as the only point of view, regardless of whether students want it or not.