 papananook says: The description in The Book of Exodus of thunder, lightening and a blaring trumpet, according to Shanon, are the classic imaginings of people under the influence of drugs. As for the vision of the burning bush, well obviously that too was a drug-fueled hallucination, according to Shanon. "In advanced forms of ayahuasca inebriation," he wrote, "the seeing of light is accompanied by profound religious and spiritual feelings." Shanon admits he took some of these drugs while in the Amazon in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," he said. The initial reaction to this controversial theory from Israel's religiously orthodox community and the powerful rabbis who lead it was less than enthusiastic. Orthodox rabbi Yuval Sherlow, quoted by Reuters speaking on Israel radio, said: "The Bible is trying to convey a very profound event. We have to fear not for the fate of the biblical Moses, but for the fate of science." As long as I had easy access to psychedelics at the government-sponsored research project, most of my energy went into psychedelic sessions. Patients reported that their psychedelic sessions were an invaluable experiential training for dying. Stanislav Grof (pioneering researcher into the use of altered states of consciousness) Btw, no doubt, these days is much much easier to explain the burning Bush. ................  ridiculous assertion that cannot be proven. What is historical fact is that the Egyptian army suddenly disappeared (i.e. Red Sea) and Israel became a wandering independent nation at that time. a wandering cult, led by a zapped-out Acacia bark freak who had no sense of humor, just like you. Blue...geeez Magic mushrooms grow wild on Patmos, where John wrote Revelations. Some say his visions fit the description of the hallucinogenic effects of psilocybin. But high or not, I wonder if someone in a cave came today and said they had seen these things would we believe them? I doubt it. Lots of religions use drugs. Ayahuasca etc. Shutting out this world might make another world more accessible. Who knows? I found this on ayahuasca, another drug often used in religion: Some scientific studies suggest that ayahuasca has legitimate uses as an alternative psychotropic medicine that can abolish depression, cure addiction and improve brain function.http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/la-tm-ayahuasca.02feb3,1,6118145.story Sorry, forgot I had already said that.  Need more coffee. Oh, sure...coffee...hehehehe.... actually I agree with you TN. and if any of you have been payin' attention, you would know that I was a psychedelic young man. which btw means "mind expanding". ..and I can honestly say that psychedelic drugs, when used with reverance and respect save lives, mine included. Long story with which I won't bore Willie with here. one too many "withs" Oh, sure...coffee...heheheheI knew I would get busted!!  when used with reverance and respectI've heard that people all see the same thing, the same theme, sort of. A religious one. Do you know if that's true or is it just random hallucinations? Are the effects anything like f.ex. what John of Patmos' saw? Any resemblance? What I mean to say is, do you think it's plausible in your experience, that John and Moses were on some drug. ridiculous assertionIt doesn't have to be ridiculous. They had a different moral code back then and many held mind-expanding drugs in high regard and only let the priesthood or initiated ones use them. It could explain a lot of things, like visions. WTF? Who told you that? I took a lot of trips and they were all different, and I never saw a yellow submarine. The mind is infinite and the range of experience varies by the personalities involved, the conditions and which drug. Psylocibin is usually very mellow, natural, feeling with lots of joy and laughter(in my experience), LSD can be harder edged and very powerful with a chemical feeling, etc...Peyote is quite revelatory and colorful, filled with mystical creatures and beings...It is as diverse and wonderful as each human being. If abused can be disastrous and cause psychological damage. Why the respect and reverance are prerequisite. NEVER dose a person without prior permission. This ... It's not only plausible but likely. There were Mushroom cults of monks back then and no DEA. These drugs have been used by Holy men and Shamans for thousands of years...It's only in western civilization where fear instilled (and felt) by the powers that be made them illegal and stigmatized. Well, there were taboos in ancient times due to the power of these drugs. see: http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/movies/title/0,,1794178,00.html "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" a movie based on Peter Mathiesson's novel, both excellent that sees the troubled hero Lewis Moon (Tom Berenger) using ayuhuasca and going native. Aidan Quinn and Kathy Bates, as missionaries in the Amazon at odds with Moon, a protector of the natives. The book as usual is better. I think it was Graham Hancock who implied there was a common factor in all those kinds of things: I. just found video this on GV and I haven't seen it yet myself, so don't hang me up on it, but I think it was him. Shamanism Aliens & Ayahuasca - Graham Hancock http://video.google.com/videosearch?num=10&so=0&q=graham+hancock+ayahuasca+duration%3Amedium&start=0 I think there are a great number of people nowadays that would like to see a BUSH burn. A GW BUSH |
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