 rational_d says: Typical example of credophiles seeing pareidolia If it was the true "face" of God, I doubt anyone would really be able to look upon it and live. See Moses for example on Mt. Sini. I don't see anything that looks like a face. If a believer believes to view even a tiny lappet or shine of God, he or she would not have a nerve to pull out the camera (imagine the effrontery!). So this is an impious crap only. You'd think a Supreme Being wouldn't be so vague about it. The Bible is full of grandeous events that God produced; why be camera-shy (so to speak) in modern times? "It really speaks for itself, you know?" Lowery said.If it 'spoke for itself' you wouldn't need a camera to see it now would you? The Bible is"And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God." (Exodus 3,6; Moses in front of the burning bush). The God of the Bible is NOT an event-making showmaster or producer of entertaining falderal. His epiphany and whatever He reveals is NOT meant for the media or for the family album. Ts ts ts... Only narcissistic people, sensation-mongers and blockheads might think that God would be an actor in a real-life Spielberg movie. (Maybe that's typical US-American thinking?) The God of the Bible is NOT an event-making showmaster or producer of entertaining falderal.So the parting of the Red Sea was just a low-water crossing? Please. However, that wasn't my point. It doesn't have to be a Spielberg production; what I was pointing out is that it should be clear as to the message, not these milquetoast, vague things. Rasmus said : The God of the Bible is NOT an event-making showmaster or producer of entertaining falderal. wiccantexan replied : So the parting of the Red Sea was just a low-water crossing?LoL  Popped for great return fire No wonder Christianity gets a bad rap from secular society and from other religious bodies, when people claim to see Jesus's or Mary's face on toast or on ceilings. When the toast or ceiling images speak and deliver coherent messages maybe it would be more to the point. Real Christianity surely has to have more going for it than wispy flights of imagination. I could not see an image incidentally and my advice to the dreamers is to get real. Rasmus said : The God of the Bible is NOT an event-making showmaster or producer of entertaining falderal. wiccantexan replied : So the parting of the Red Sea was just a low-water crossing? Rasmus answers: So you really understand the biblical stories literally and historically? I don't. I think, the Israelites' escape from Egypt with the aid of numinous miracles, was not a historical matter but a saga. Believing in it created and maintained ethno-cultural identity of subsequent Israelites. By the way: "Many scholars believe that the Hebrew phrase 'yam suph', commonly translated 'Red Sea', means 'Sea of Reeds' or 'Sea of Seaweed'." (See Wikipedia, Exodus.) ... I love the part where Rasmus uses apologetic backpedaling to refine what 'Red Sea' means buy still throws in the suggestion of miracles. Perhaps you can explain then why the story of Moses is identical to the story of Sargon of Acad. You can also find a summary in Zeitgeist around the 19 min mark, although I would recommend watching the entire video because it does offer an amazing insight to religion. So you really understand the biblical stories literally and historically? I don't.But, it still showcases God as a maker of grandiose events. Saga or literal, that is the perception and story presented in a holy book. Okay, wiccantexan; let me try to explain my position. Firstly, I criticize show business and hype in general as flat, extravert, clamorous, razzly-dazzly rubbish, futile boredom activism, produced by and for time wasters, an amusement to death. That's why I can't imagine God as a showmaster. When He creates events, it's not to anybody's entertainment. Secondly, I still adhere to my opinion that, leaving any issues of religious truth and criticism of religion out of consideration, it is implausible that anybody who believes in the holiness of any phenomenon, would tinker with the idea of snapshooting instead of being awestruck. I see the semblance of a child's face. I just wonder how the people who see these things can be so positive that they know what Jesus, Mary or God are supposed to look like. One could just as easily say that the Wal-Mart smiley is a divine manifestation. If you look close, you will see the face of Stephen Colbert: http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9315/psfarkceilingcolbertwl7.jpg what Jesus, Mary or God are supposed to look like.Jesus looks like Brad Pitt, Mary looks like a cleaned-up Paris Hilton, and God looks like Morgan Freeman. (Actually, I like Morgan so that one's OK with me.) Ya gotta wonder...why did anyone take a picture of a ceiling fixture in the first place? Insurance purposes? Darn water stains. Jesus looks like ..., Mary looks like ..., and God looks like...Jesus looks like me and my neighbor, Mary looks like my mom, and God looks like nothing (known) at all. |
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