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10-21-2007 8:07 PM382 views
Rustee says:
The tragedies of war aren't limited to the military engagements.
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10-21-2007 10:13 PM
Bodark
Since when did what happened in Haditha get downgraded to a mere "error in judgment" I don't think so, especially since some of the trials are ongoing.

BBC News

overall the highly disciplined U.S. military has conducted itself in an exemplary fashion.
Absolutely true, but that in no way excuses what happened in Haditha or the attempt to cover it up.

10-21-2007 10:44 PM
Rustee
Your questions were addressed at the source:
"One indication of affairs in Haditha is that the heavily guarded investigators came under a coordinated insurgent attack. Still, negligence, if proved, does not constitute a cover-up. Even the most fault-finding Haditha inquiry, conducted by Army Maj. Gen. Eldon Bargewell, rejected the idea of some upper-level conspiracy. As for the infantrymen at Haditha, Lt. Col. Ware's investigation concluded, in a representative statement, that "No trier of fact can conclude SSgt Wuterich formed the criminal intent to kill." The allegations of a deliberate massacre are entirely unfounded. They are contradicted by credible testimony, and ...
10-22-2007 2:05 AM
Bodark
Not really.

It seems to me that the main point of the Journal opinion piece is that the media and anti-war politicians and pundits exaggerated the events in Haditha. That's true. My main point is: The Journal piece tries to trivialize those same events.

Fifteen civilian, non-combatants were killed. The Marines involved falsely reported that the civilians were killed by an insurgent IED. The military issue a report confirming an IED as the cause to death. Despite accusations to the contrary, the military stuck by it's initial report for two months. Not until pressured to do so by media reports did the military launch and investigation. Yet, the Journal piece want to dismiss all thi...
10-22-2007 10:52 PM
Rustee
Firstly, I just wanted to show my appreciation that you're making clear statements explaining what evidence supports your views. Plus we've agreed on some common ground. Civil discussion without resorting to deragatory rhetoric, especially on such grave subjects, isn't easily achieved around here. Thanks.
Here's where I'm coming from. Intelligence was known and distributed that an ambush was planned on that day, and specifically that about 20 insurgents and a white car would be involved. This information was intercepted on cell phone conversations between 2 known insurgents, which later proved to be the same 2 providing false information which made it to the Time article. This case rests o...
10-23-2007 2:52 PM
Bodark
I too appreciate the civility with which you have conduct this discussion, and while I cannot say that we are in totally agreement, the additional facts you've provided have given me a lot more information to consider and have changed my view of the events on the ground in Haditha.

I share you're opinion that the Marines involved not be used as scapegoats. In fact, I will go as far as to say that the those Marines be given the benefit of the doubt as far as the ROE are concerned. If there is no clear ROE violation, then they did nothing wrong and all charges should have been dismissed. Although I make no claim as to having ever been in an even remotely similar situation, I would imagine ...
10-24-2007 12:08 AM
Rustee
A question: The BBC article I linked in my original post -- assuming it is current and accurate -- indicated that charges still pending include those associated with ROE and giving false statements. Can you provide any additional information about the origin of the giving false statement charges?
I would invite you to read this Washington Post article.Though it dates back to June, it's still vastly more in depth than that BBC article. For specific charges, testimony, and current status of the remaining prosecutions, I just came across [URL=http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/...
10-24-2007 12:16 AM
Rustee
I should point out that the Washington Times article is from June 2006, I just noticed. I've had it in my bookmarks awhile and just quickly referenced it, though as far as I can tell, still holds true to the Marines continued testimony and statements.
10-24-2007 3:25 AM
Bodark
Thanks for the links. You might be interested in this one.
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