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10-24-2006 1:25 PM
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egoldstein says:
Could be very interesting if the Dems take the House and Senate.
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10-24-2006 1:51 PM
adamskinner
There's one salient reason people don't want to impeach Bush: it would put Cheney in the drivers seat.

That's not good enough to stop impeachment in my book, however. If you betray the American people while holding the highest office of service in the land, you should be held accountable.
10-24-2006 3:30 PM
neeto
Cheny is already in charge, it probably wouldn't make a difference, Bush is just a talking head controlled by Cheny and Rove. Impeaching him probably wouldn't do any good. If you could impeach an administration that would be the way to go.
10-24-2006 3:42 PM
gordsclips
If, by impeach, you mean permanently and immediately remove from office, then I'm all for it - indeed the entire GOP should be impeached and a general election should be called right now. What a disgraceful bunch of incompetent, supercilious, thieves.......

Change the constitution - it's a disgrace that palookas can be allowed to run amok with public funds for eight years and not be held accountable. Actually be rewarded at the end of their service with untold severance packages in the form of pensions, health care and whatever else! Scandalous, and not just impeacable, but imprisonable.

Here's a list of impeachees to get the ball rolling - add your candidates as you see fit:

1. Bush
2. Cheney
3. Rumsfeld
4. Rice
5. Frist
10-24-2006 4:04 PM
rmowery
I agree - to impeach just Bush is wrong. The whole group needs to go in order for it to matter and make a difference.
10-24-2006 7:04 PM
RecordSage
SOME Americans and it would never fly.
10-24-2006 7:12 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Polls aren't what they used to be.
Huge numbers of people don't even use a land line.
Among those, most are not home during polling hours, and otherwise hang up on them.

We now have an OJ jury phenomenon in polling, at least that's my sense of it.
We'll soon see.

I'm betting on the pollsters, and those who get pumped up by them, falling flat on their face.
10-25-2006 9:18 PM
willhelm
I bet I could take a poll and have the results show 60 % of Americans want have the Dems sent before a firing squad. It is indicative of the the gotesque ignorance of our country that this type of garbage even gets printed in a major periodical. Worse yet, that intelligent people fall for it.
10-25-2006 9:23 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Little different since you were last here, isn't it, Will?

Any trouble finding a parking space?
10-25-2006 9:37 PM
willhelm
No kidding!! a constant flood of first clippers. How did the secret get out?
10-25-2006 9:42 PM
Godfrey Daniel
10-25-2006 11:25 PM
kpyoung
10-25-2006 11:32 PM
enbar
Remarkable, kpyoung, I had no idea that bill existed. Thanks for the link.
10-26-2006 8:07 PM
willhelm
I did not know it existed either. But Illinois?? This state is the landfill of America.. intellectually, culturally and politically.. Know a state by the politicians they elect, the infrastructure, inner city slums and abyssmal colleges and universities. This states defies everything great about America. I don't know how they did it..
10-27-2006 10:08 AM
TheCatWhisperer
This state is the landfill of America.. intellectually, culturally and politically..
That's sad Will...

FYI, in 2004 the state of Illinois was ranked 5th for it's income... man.. how is that possible with all those abysmal colleges & inner city slums???

As for education, they have 2 universities in the top 15 nationwide...

Maybe before you spew such garbage you should do some research...
10-31-2006 7:20 AM
dclips
Him and 99.9% of the White House staff, please.
10-31-2006 9:20 AM
fsuscotsman
WOW!!! An unscientific Newsweek poll!!! Who woulda thought from NEWSWEEK??? DUH!!!
10-31-2006 10:34 AM
truthiness
What!?! Are you people AMERICANS!?!

You want to impeach Pres. Bush for merely starting an illegitimate war that has killed thousands of Americans?!? C'mon--that's not an impeachable offense! Unless you show me an intern's dress soaked in our Leader's juices, impeachment is off the table!

USA! USA! USA!
10-31-2006 10:43 AM
anonymology
I'm going to laugh, truthiness, because I'm believing that you're taking the mick! If so, your comment is very fully!
10-31-2006 10:58 AM
anonymology
And by that, I mean very FUNNY obviously!
10-31-2006 12:18 PM
RecordSage
@truthiness
With a name like yours - one'd think you get your facts straight. Any war could be considered 'illegitimate', if you don't get why this one was started - we'll move on to the next point, perhaps cold facts will spark something up there. The man was impeached because he lied under oath. Why he lied makes zero difference - the way it works is if you lie under oath - you'll face some consequences, as Clinton did. You can touch the dress, smell the dress, sell the dress all day long, but he was still impeached for lying under oath.

As for chanting USA! - by all means... show everyone that there is something you have of value for the country as its citizen (provided you are one...)
10-31-2006 1:55 PM
truthiness
[ Um, this is 100% pure sarcasm in the format of The Colbert Report on Comedy Central. Please see www.colbertnation.com for more info, or better yet, tune into the show--it's one of the very best on TV!

To be clear, I'm FOR the impeachment, NOT against it.

But wait, I said I'm 100% pure sarcasm, so how do you know I'm not being sarcastic when I said this. Ok, what I said wasn't sarcasm--& neither is this--so I'll change my purity rating to 99%, just like Dove soap.]
10-31-2006 2:37 PM
anonymology
Ok, well that got tired very quickly.
10-31-2006 5:18 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I've heard that some actually think this guy is tremendously witty.

He has, though, done his bit in recognizing and going after the burgeoning evils of the Internets; witness his unleashing his lawyers on dastardly YouTube.

Big props for that, Troofy!
10-31-2006 5:42 PM
truthiness
Agreed & agreed.
11-8-2006 7:03 PM
lounge_lizard
Obviously, Will hasn't heard of the science of sampling, statistics, confidence intervals, sample size.

So much for his No Global Warming Agenda.
11-8-2006 11:18 PM
willhelm
Obviously, Will hasn't heard of the science of sampling, statistics, confidence intervals, sample size.
Quite opposite. In fact, I know how to discern information, and weed out the BS from the aforementioned. A lost science in the age of agenda-driven folly and fear-mongering. A liar's #1 tool is the misuse of statistics. A liars #2 tool is a gullible audience.
11-9-2006 7:23 AM
lounge_lizard
Well, the polls seemed to have done pretty good, Will.

Fear mongering???? Is that that thing where someone is always telling you to watch your back, because the muslim guy waiting behind you is a terrorist and wants to kill you?
11-10-2006 11:07 AM
RecordSage
@lizard

Many do, whether you want to attribute it to fear mongering or not. If you've watched the special they had on TV a week ago - you'd see where these sentiments are coming from. If you didn't - then you're simply being ignorant by dismissing this as a non-issue. You don't necessarily need to be afraid, but you need to face reality as it is.
12-21-2006 5:50 AM
Thorne
Now that's great advice!! If you want to be informed, if you want to "face reality as it really is"; watch TV specials. *desperately searching for the remote*
12-21-2006 5:52 AM
Thorne
where have I seen this before???
"The Israeli psychologists who conducted the research explain that for sarcasm to score, listeners must grasp the speaker’s intentions in the context of the situation. This calls for sophisticated social thinking and “theory of mind,” or whether we understand that everyone thinks different thoughts. As an example of what happens when “theory of mind” is limited or missing, autistic children have problems interpreting irony, the more general category of social communication into which sarcasm falls."
12-21-2006 9:04 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
@RecordSage

You must have mush for brains.

@truthiness
With a name like yours - one'd think you get your facts straight. Any war could be considered 'illegitimate',
You're a bold faced liar RecordSage and what's worse, you know it (and WE know it)

truthiness is absolutely right. The laws pertaining to this fact HAVE been presented to you on numerous occasions. The war IS illegal. I'll say it again: The war IS illegal! Repeat after me.... The war IS illegal...

@truthiness
You're comments all the way through are like manna from heaven! Thanks!
12-21-2006 9:08 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
And so are yours Thorne
12-21-2006 5:33 PM
willhelm
You're a bold faced liar RecordSage and what's worse, you know it (and WE know it)
Actually, I think you stand alone there thisname... I don't think even those that usually disagree with RS actually stand by you on that comment. Pathetic.
12-21-2006 6:18 PM
beaukivi
Wrong again Willhelm... And again, your the pathetic one...
12-21-2006 6:26 PM
willhelm
Actually, I am certain of it. You've been here 7 days and make that claim. Well at least I know how much time you put into thinking about things.
12-21-2006 6:41 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
....It was the Bush administration’s impatience with the Security Council process and unwillingness to abide by it that led them to initiate an unauthorized attack on Iraq in violation of international law. Although the war in Iraq is widely regarded throughout the world as illegal under international law, few consequences seem to be flowing from this in holding to account the perpetrators of the war, including leading figures in the Bush administration.
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2005/03/00_krieger_war-illegal-illegitimate.htm


12-21-2006 6:42 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
The UN Charter is clear that wars of aggression are prohibited. Article 2(4) states: “All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
12-21-2006 6:44 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
If allowed to stand unchallenged, the US initiation of war on Iraq and the rationale that permitted it could set an extremely dangerous precedent. Such actions could also undermine the legal and normative system to prevent wars of aggression, centered in the United Nations and enunciated in the Nuremberg Principles
12-21-2006 6:49 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
The war is illegal and if RecordSage chooses to continue to state that it IS legal, despite the facts presented on NUMEROUS occasions, then I will continue to state, that he is a liar.
12-21-2006 7:02 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
These officials further argued that the provision in Resolution 1441 indicating that Iraq was in “material breach of its obligations” to cooperate with UN inspectors on WMD inspections under previous resolutions, including resolutions 678 and 687, allowed them to legally initiate their attack on Iraq.12 In fact, however, Resolution 1441 offered Iraq “a final opportunity to comply with disarmament obligations,”13 and Iraq was doing so. Iraq was cooperating with UN inspectors on these issues, and the arguments to the contrary, by Colin Powell and others in the Bush administration, have since been exposed as misrepresentations. Most important, though, Security Council Resolution 1441 sta...
12-21-2006 7:15 PM
willhelm
Send up a flare when you get close to a point. The UN is not a legal arbiter. There are wars all over the world at any given time. They are not subject to legal scrutiny. GET A CLUE. The UN is non starter. It is just a place to talk. There is no requirement to abide by anything this corrupt organization suggests. You are in la la land. When Hillary is Pres, she can invade Bangladesh if she wants. So really there are 2 options either a) you are ignorant and hateful or b) YOU, are the one that is, in fact, the liar.
12-21-2006 9:14 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
I leave my statements standing.
12-21-2006 9:16 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
You can argue it out with "The International Law" , the world community and the UN.

I stand by my statements
12-21-2006 10:25 PM
willhelm
I stand by my statements
Then I pick c) All of the above.
12-26-2006 7:51 PM
Thorne
Turn on the TV!! I say let's revamp that fun saying of the '60's..."Turn on, tune in and drop out" It work for this, yes?? TV watchers Unite!!!
12-27-2006 4:14 AM
RecordSage
@willhelm, appreciate the sentiments, although sorry you have to waste your time on these 'thinkers'... always amazing to read their 'comments'... I immediately remember that M&M commercial with Santa saying 'they do exist' and then he drops on the floor... kind of applicable here. In any case, Happy Holidays to you and yours and best wishes in the New Year!

@thisthornecantbetaken... like I said, waste of time, doesn't even dignify a response and I stand by this statement... chuckle, chuckle...
12-27-2006 3:18 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Here you go RecordStooge...again!

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=72&ItemID=11688

Chuckle chuckle... and I hope all the "collaborators" get their dues too!
12-27-2006 3:36 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Not enough for ya?

Check out the US Supreme court decisions in the case
Hamdan v. Rumsfeld

You're welcome!
12-27-2006 7:25 PM
Thorne
@thisthornecantbetaken... like I said, waste of time, doesn't even
dignify a response and I stand by this statement... chuckle, chuckle...
hey, thisname, when were we wed?? I hope you're a woman since I'm a dyke it would be terribly innapropriate for us to...you know.... RecordSage is so wise, he must be a minister. Still, is it legal to marry a lesbian?? Even if you're straight. Big questions.
12-27-2006 11:48 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Ha ha ha ha ha... yeah I'm a sheila, but that besides I reckon the " doen't dignify a response" means to say he doen't HAVE a reponse. The law's the law and the been broken. Not much more to say about it, I reckon.

Yeah, same sex marriages, even if you're straight, are allowed in some European countries. I think Denmark and maybe Sweden too fx allow it, just not in a church.... Go figure that? Either you're for or against, but that way they can have it both ways. Allowing it, but just not quite condoning it. Standards are good, but double standards are even better, I'm guessing
12-27-2006 11:51 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
(PS) Did I enjoy the bachelorette party? Can't remember, too much lager and stripping firemen I guess... sorry about that!
12-27-2006 11:54 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Oops! FireWOMEN of course...
12-28-2006 3:35 PM
Thorne
I'm all for equal opportunity stripping....
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