RecordSage, you need to leave your world for a minute and see reality. I never denied the Holocaust. I never endorsed Holocaust denial, revisionism, or minimalism. In fact, I just said in my last comment that "the article makes it clear it's [the Iran conference on the Holocaust] probably not going to be a reputable scholarly event". It would be obvious to most people that when I say the conference is not going to be a reputable scholarly event, I say that because it's going to feature Holocaust deniers/revisionists, and that I am aware that Holocaust denial/revisionism/minimalism is bunk.

Most people would be really careful and think things through before they accuse someone of Holocau...

RecordSage, you need to leave your world for a minute and see reality. I never denied the Holocaust. I never endorsed Holocaust denial, revisionism, or minimalism. In fact, I just said in my last comment that "the article makes it clear it's [the Iran conference on the Holocaust] probably not going to be a reputable scholarly event". It would be obvious to most people that when I say the conference is not going to be a reputable scholarly event, I say that because it's going to feature Holocaust deniers/revisionists, and that I am aware that Holocaust denial/revisionism/minimalism is bunk.

Most people would be really careful and think things through before they accuse someone of Holocaust denial/revisionism. Apparently you're not one of them, for you took a comment that condemned Holocaust denial and twisted it into advocacy of such historical malpractice. This is not the first one of your tendentious misreadings here on Clipmarks, but its one of your most egregious.

And that's not to mention the nastiness of your aside "perhaps you'd only learn by living it" which has no place here.

@jklugman - I never accused you of being a denier, I simply argued your point about it being newsworthy. By sticking this on the news - it does give it some credibility. After all, if someone comes up with some sort of faulty story and the press knows it to be so - they typically won't air it. So, why air this? That's all I was trying to say. Since I don't know whether you'd a denier or not - I certainly couldn't accuse you of something I don't know. My comment meant to a) do a little show with the tell part, so you and everyone else knows what this conference is trying to deny and b) simply making a point that some people get theoretical and/or ideological when they haven't been close...

@jklugman - I never accused you of being a denier, I simply argued your point about it being newsworthy. By sticking this on the news - it does give it some credibility. After all, if someone comes up with some sort of faulty story and the press knows it to be so - they typically won't air it. So, why air this? That's all I was trying to say. Since I don't know whether you'd a denier or not - I certainly couldn't accuse you of something I don't know. My comment meant to a) do a little show with the tell part, so you and everyone else knows what this conference is trying to deny and b) simply making a point that some people get theoretical and/or ideological when they haven't been close to the experience, since it's very simple to do.

@tpq62 - first, I thought you were done debating... no? and second - you're so far from my mother that I don't think that kind of measure of distance has been invented yet, so please stop acting as one.

tpq62, I don't think you could be more wrong. This isn't some contest and I couldn't care less if I 'score points' or not. I don't know if you've lost anyone in the Holocaust - but I did and I know more people than I care to count that did and that's why it's ridiculous to even discuss this whole topic. I didn't draw these photos and didn't pull them from some school's yearbook. Simply showing, as anyone would show, how ridiculous it is to see something like this and have discussions about it never happening. Again, I wasn't trying to say that Josh should go through Holocaust, simply saying that when one gets physically close to the situation - one suddenly and very quickly loses a lot ...

tpq62, I don't think you could be more wrong. This isn't some contest and I couldn't care less if I 'score points' or not. I don't know if you've lost anyone in the Holocaust - but I did and I know more people than I care to count that did and that's why it's ridiculous to even discuss this whole topic. I didn't draw these photos and didn't pull them from some school's yearbook. Simply showing, as anyone would show, how ridiculous it is to see something like this and have discussions about it never happening. Again, I wasn't trying to say that Josh should go through Holocaust, simply saying that when one gets physically close to the situation - one suddenly and very quickly loses a lot of ideological or political baggage. I wasn't even born around that time, but I've had a number of conversations with people who lived through it. Perhaps jklugman should talk to some concentration camp survivors and then see if he has the same sentiments about newsworthiness of such a ridiculous 'event'.

I don't discuss my biography on the internet. And I agree with jklugman--the best weapon against holocaust denial is exposure and the truth. This as been demonstrated over and over.

I don't presume to speak for concentration camp survivors, not on the basis of my biography or anything else. No one person can. They are many different people with different opinions. Some no doubt do feel that news of Holocaust denial should be censored. But others are very public that Holocaust denial should be exposed wherever encountered. Are they wrong? Do they lack your insight or depth of feeling? Do they have too much "political and ideological baggage"? It's not for you or I to say. We expres...

I don't discuss my biography on the internet. And I agree with jklugman--the best weapon against holocaust denial is exposure and the truth. This as been demonstrated over and over.

I don't presume to speak for concentration camp survivors, not on the basis of my biography or anything else. No one person can. They are many different people with different opinions. Some no doubt do feel that news of Holocaust denial should be censored. But others are very public that Holocaust denial should be exposed wherever encountered. Are they wrong? Do they lack your insight or depth of feeling? Do they have too much "political and ideological baggage"? It's not for you or I to say. We express only our own opinions.

I do know that many survivors have strong opinions about how, and why, certain aspects of Holocaust evidence are displayed. I do not think the manner in which in you exhibited the photos of those corpses was respectful, nor do I feel the purpose (an internet squabble over censorship) was appropriate.

@tpq62, that's ok, certainly up to you how much you do and don't want to disclose. As for getting strong emotions to the photos - I'm with you, same level of intensity if not more so. Which is exactly the reason I find it absurd to discuss 'Holocaust denial'. There's nothing to censor. To me it would be just as absurd as to do a conference of how orange the sky is at night. Yes, I guess you could probably locate some people that might argue that it's so, but that doesn't make it real. The photos (and there's more than enough evidence in media, not to mention the human factor) is there of what hitler and his henchmen did, or certainly tried to do. The Final Solution wasn't my or your i...

@tpq62, that's ok, certainly up to you how much you do and don't want to disclose. As for getting strong emotions to the photos - I'm with you, same level of intensity if not more so. Which is exactly the reason I find it absurd to discuss 'Holocaust denial'. There's nothing to censor. To me it would be just as absurd as to do a conference of how orange the sky is at night. Yes, I guess you could probably locate some people that might argue that it's so, but that doesn't make it real. The photos (and there's more than enough evidence in media, not to mention the human factor) is there of what hitler and his henchmen did, or certainly tried to do. The Final Solution wasn't my or your invention - it was his. Concentration camps can still be visited, ruins of the gas chambers still there and anyone knows that they weren't used for cooking dinner. So, if you and everyone reasonably sane agrees that it happened - what purpose is there to have a conference on its denial? And I realize your point that exposing the idiocy of the event simply discredits it and nothing more, but you have to take into account quite a few people worldwide that still walk around with numbers burned into their hands... they're still with us, they still remember and I'm not so opposed to the event because any reason but them - they suffered a horrible ordeal, lost their entire families in many cases, right in front of their eyes. Out of respect for them and the millions that perished during those 6-7 years - that's why these events shouldn't be held. The ones that are still with us still remember all of this very well and rekindling those memories in them is a terrible thing. You cringe at looking at photos - they watched as these photos were taken. If you have the reaction you have to them - imagine how they feel.

This has nothing to do with censorship, but everything with history, reality and basic human decency, something the little man in Iran doesn't have a shred of.