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11-23-2007 8:02 PM
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11-23-2007 9:18 PM
cptenaud
Maybe they will just start thinking for themselves.
11-24-2007 4:18 AM
abailart
yes
11-24-2007 9:19 AM
BartendingBear
God Said

Nearly everyone I know claims to have heard your voice
And every time they do, I know I should rejoice
Because one day I'm sure you’ll break your silence
And speak just to me
But I feel like time's running out
And my heart, my heart is filling with doubt
And god said

I don't dwell upon you, I dwell on something else
And I am not really here so get over your self

I've tried to follow every rule they said you handed down
And spread the sacred testimony all around
And still the others seem to have your ear but never will I
Have I displeased you somehow?
I can't, I can't help feeling left out
And god said

There's no anger in me, you must mean someone else
Cause it's not me t...
11-24-2007 6:07 PM
pokkets
A tongue that is a sword of fire, is in a mouth that speaks the truth.
We may feel god speak, but the language is our invention.
Can there be a defense by god against unholy accusations?
Consequences will be evidence for the defense.
A problem can never be solved, if it is denied.
Problems unsolved, burn until they are extinguished by solutions.
Solutions to our problems, are our responsibility not the responsibility of God.
We can be shown a solution but we have to act on it.
Some of the quickest words to spread are those that begin, not with a fanfare, but with a whisper, that becomes a roar.
11-24-2007 9:51 PM
Johanna_G
Very good, BartendingBear, thank you for Rundgren's text.

Merely asking and waiting for a word from God may be inappropriate, scilicet the attitude of an infant awaiting parental care and step-by-step guidance.
I think, certain religions are misunderstood: as a cosy mother's lap or womb onto or respectively into which the believer can flee from the needs and deficiencies and discrepancies and hardships and dilemmas of the world, in a word: flee from the world itself.
I can't believe that such a childishness could be just that child-like mindset that has been praised in Jesus's Sermon on the Mount.
11-25-2007 1:24 AM
belebay
Is there a word from God?

Yes, I think so, provided you have the same radio frequency with him so that you could received the message.
11-25-2007 4:32 AM
abailart
and no
11-25-2007 5:53 AM
Johanna_G
It is only the blowing of wind through a trumpet that makes its sound. So also is preaching.
Joel Gregory
That lacks a vital detail. The air column inside the trumpet must be set into a standing wave vibration. To produce it, you'll have to keep your mouth shut while blowing. Methinks that's not only a physical hint for musicians but also a metaphorical hint for preachers (referring to Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 14, where, by the way, the female members of the community are ordered to keep their mouth shut in public, which causes my indignation, but before I'll start to discuss the pros and cons of the P...
11-25-2007 9:47 AM
debbyski
(referring to Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 14,
where, by the way, the female members of the community are ordered to
keep their mouth shut in public, which causes my indignation
Paul was an observant Jew who was committed to the law, which he accepted as an immutable set of rules for human behavior. He began his career, remember, as a persecutor of Christians, because he believed that their focus on saving grace would undermine obedience to the law. Even after his conversion to Christianity, he continued to empahasize the letter of the law--often in clear contradiction to the spirit of the law. Above all else, Paul was clearly a man of his time. In his ...
11-25-2007 1:07 PM
Johanna_G
Hi Debby. My knowledge about and view of Paul regarding his relationship to Jewish legalism is different.

May, for the present, a reference to Paul's doctrine of justification and to Paul's Relationship with Judaism be helpful.

While I would not even Paul's attitude call "antiwoman, antigay, pro-slave", I controvert resolutely that this "first century mindset" were Jesuanic - it is just plain unchristian.
11-25-2007 1:24 PM
abailart
The Prophets can preach the word, but they cannot bestow the Spirit. They speak most eloquently, but if You are silent, they cannot fire the heart. They instruct in the letter, but You open the understanding. They set forth the mysteries, but You reveal the meaning of all secrets. They teach your commandments, but You help us to observe them. They point the way, but You grant us strength to follow it. Their action is external; You instruct and en. lighten the heart. They water the seed; You make it fruitful.(I Cor. 3:7) They proclaim the words, but You impart understanding to the mind.

Therefore, let not Moses speak to me, but You, O Lord my God, the Everlasting Truth, lest I die and bear n...
11-25-2007 4:39 PM
debbyski
Thank you for your comment Johanna. Paul is an interesting character. I think the first step in appreciating the importance of Paul is to recognize the limitations inherent in his printed word. But the second step, is to scratch through the residue of history to discover the true beauty underneath.
11-25-2007 6:03 PM
Johanna_G
Amen, Debby. That describes the prudence of true treasure seekers.
(Methinks, if Paulus had stayed Saulus, Christianity would have developed more Jesuanic instead of Pauline. Maybe those well-known female disciples who were overcome by (first (!) releases of) divine revelation and spoke in a tongue and/or intelligible words, had been paid a much more sustaining regard by their brethren... Maybe the "Holy Papa" were a Mama, or, more probably, a Christian pontificate would never have developed. Maybe that would have been beneficent and benedictive for the world...)
11-25-2007 6:18 PM
debbyski
It's amazing to think about the possibilities isn't it Johanna, such as Mary Magdalene's role in the early church and the subsequent patriarchal suppression of it. One of my first clips was what Jesus said:

Matthew 13:44





The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man
found and covered up. Then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has
and buys that field.
That describes to me exactly the prudence of a treasure seeker
11-29-2007 1:29 AM
Thorne
Bird is the word. (Bird, bird, bird is the word)
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