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Google Notebook is very similar to Clipmarks in many ways although it is not as mature as Clipmarks. However, Google Notebook can be integrated with many Google tools. Is it a real threat to Clipmarks? i dont think so......not unless you can see, save & comment on things that others have notebook-ed  i've given it a glance, and will try to check it out further later, but here are the obvious differences between Notebook and Clipmarks that immediately jumped out at me: 1 - to "clip" things they are still relying solely on highlighting something with your mouse and then right-clicking. anyone who has used clipmarks knows that we offer a much more advanced/flexible way of selecting elements from web pages (specifically enabling more than one thing to be clipped at a time - from one or more web pages). 2 - their interface viewing clips is similar to that of squidoo or kaboodle...much different than clipmarks. 3 - though you can make a notebook publicly viewable, this is not a clip-by-cli... I just tried it out, and I gotta say, I like Clipmarks better. I think it more appropriate to compare Google's Notebook to an app like Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/en/) or a Firefox extension like ScrapBook (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/427/). Still, I raised the question of Notebook's ability to threaten Clipmarks in my own clip and I don't think the notion can or should be so easily dismissed. It's got the potential to be a killer web app and remember, this is only the beta release (though with Google, it could be years before a final one)! Draxiis, i totally agree with you that it should not be dismissed. We are fully committed to creating a killer web app right here with clipmarks. Competition from google will only serve to motivate us further...and also give us a benchmark against which to consistently be judged. My belief is that clipmarks, like Notebook, has a long way to go before it's "finished". But, i think that our approach regarding (1) the way content is clipped from web pages as well as (2) our interactive user interface will distinguish us favorably from Notebook. Overall, on the day that Google announced their in the ring with us, i'm feeling pretty good about our chances. Overall, on the day that Google announced their in the ring with us, i'm feeling pretty good about our chances.Bravo, très bon, muy bien, muito bom, molto buono (that's all the ways I know how to say "Great") attitude! I've only been a Clipmarks community member for a short while but I'm loving it already. I agree that Clipmarks has inherent advantages and look forward to it's evolution (and being able to say "I've been using it since way back when...)! Unless Google can manage to put that "community" feeling into their app, it will always fall short. I am here for that as much as the functionality of things. I am here for that as much as the functionality of things.Wolf, i realized rhat abouty myself as well last night. was talking with adamc and clippette over dinner and we all agreed that the primary reason we clip things is because we think/hope they'll spark some interest (a conversation) on the site...organizing and archiving are rarely the inspiration behind my clips. What a coinkydink... yesterday I noticed myself clipping something and caught myself saying, "Why are you clipping this? It's not something you'll use for future reference." Then it hit me... just as you said, I was looking to spark off some comments on it.  I just tried Google Notebook, I can think of two other advantages Clipmarks has: 1. CM is much more friendlier to my dial-up connection at home. Notebook is so slow it is very impractical for me to use at home. 2. Tags, tags, and tags. For me, archiving/organizing is the primary reason I use CM, the social aspect is secondary (but a very nice secondary). As far as I can tell, Notebook does not maintain a list of tags that one can refer to to call up clippings. jklugman, I am very interested to hear more about your experience with clipmarks over dialup. if you get a chance, please send me an email @ djkraz@clipmarks.com with any suggestions/complaints you may have. As for the social aspect of Clipmarks, I also feel it is our strong point, but as jklugman points out, Clipmarks is a great archiving/organizing tool, and I will always do everything in my power to keep it as usable in both aspects as possible. Damn Derek you're lookin a little n00b like. How Clipmarks wins GNotebook: --Individual clips can be shared (well, a URL for the moment) --There's a community of users exchanging thoughts and clips. --Tag cloud for easy finding clips. --Multi snip and multi page selection to make a clip. --Individual clips private or public. --Individual clips can be printed. What GNotebook has that Clipmarks do not: --Type a simple note (OK, Clipmarks is not a Notepad Clipmarks, you are safe, GNotebook is way behind clipping. There's no question that currently Clipmarks is a better solution than the Notebook. Unfortunately, as history shows again and again, that may not be the deciding factor. Certainly sentiments regarding commenting on CM are all true and Google doesn't have that (currently), but they're definitely into collaboration and integration with other tools, which means they're likely to develop such functionality. Currently CM beats Notebook in pretty much every important area... except one - Google's clout and reach. That shouldn't be underestimated and the only way Clipmarks can stay ahead of the curve is by being more innovative, more aggressive in advertising its prowess. For example, right... I've installed the extension and tried Google Notebook. Here are my remarks (as an addition to Josh's comments): - It doesn't make sense to compare Clipmarks and Google Notebook, according to my opinion. Because the two are completely seperate products with different features. And Google's tool is not a competitor for Clipmarks with its present view. - You must select all the elements at once and then add them to your notebook; which makes it impractical for clipping action. At Clipmarks, we can select different parts and elements of the page easily with that smart orange rectangle; Clipmarks system threats the table rows and columns as seperate entities. But I tried to clip a page with Go... It doesn't make sense to compare Clipmarks and Google Notebook,Exactly what I've been saying from the get go. Notebook is more appropriately compared to an app like Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/en/) or an FF extension like ScrapBook (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/427/). For now, comparing it to Clipmarks is comparing apples and oranges. RecordSage said:RS - I heard you were placing a Clipmarks link and banner on your website. Cool idea!  I agree Clipmarks is better, but I'll go to the one with the largest (most mature) community. What features are you currently planning in Clipmarks. I got a feature req. You can how you can post a page to del.icio.us without browser extension. How about this, what if clipmarks can "open" a page within it and allow users to clip with the tools in a frame above the page (The initial page loading through Clipmarks). Would a mockup help. Sohil, while we will probably research your suggestion further someday, I do believe browser security restrictions will not allow us to create a solution like that at this time. However, we are very open to other suggestions. As for planned features, I highly recommend you at least stick around for a week to see the next set of features we upload. Also, if you goto http://ideasforclipmarks.com/ you will find many clips with discussions regarding current and future development. If you have any questions regarding them, feel free to ask. LOL - the death of Clipmarks? Have you even used the Google crap? It's not the same product. It's not competition. Unless I misunderstand it, here is what I see that Google's new product does: 1) Creates a bookmark to the page that you were on when you did the notebook thing. 2) Takes whatever text you had highlighted at the time and makes that sorf of "your notes" about that page that is now bookmarked in their system. 3) Allows you then to go in and edit those notes to add your own text, or whatever. With a little html-like editor. 4) Allows you then to go in and look at all your notebook items in the typical Google ugly fashion. That's it. Have I missed something? Are those th... Ouch! my comment was too long! Maybe Google can kill Clipmarks if they let comments be longer! travis, that is one heck of a list!! we've struggled for so long to effectively distinguish ourselves from the other services you mentioned. i still think we do a lousy job of it (it's crazy how many times i hear people say to me "oh, i didn't realize that clipmarks was different than xyz"). but the honesty and natural way you wrote that really jumped out at me. not sure how, but i'd really like to use it somehow. from a personal standpoint, i'd just like to say that's it's a pretty great feeling to have survived the day google dropped a potential bomb on us. needless to say, i'm inspired and motivated for a whole lot more!! bookchick49 subtly hinted:Actually, you're right... I'm redoing my Web site and decided to use a different approach to how one normally sets up a site. I won't divulge the details, since that's off topic, but there will be Clipmarks review, in detail, and it will certainly be visible by anyone looking at my site, along with other pieces of software that I use and recommend. Why not take the buzz and promote Clipmarks? We can comment on the pages where Gnot(e) is reviewed... http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/05/16/google-notebook-launches/ More URLs to comment on Gnote and promote Clipmarks: http://www.seobythesea.com/?p=188 http://www.micropersuasion.com/2006/05/google_notebook.html http://techrageo.us/2006/05/16/google-notebook-ho-hum/ http://blog.arthuran.org/index.php/2006/05/16/google-notebook-launches/ http://jasonkolb.typepad.com/weblog/2006/05/google_notebook.html http://www.alistreview.com/2006/05/google_notebook_alisters_ambiv.html http://theory.isthereason.com/?p=976 http://www.metaticle.com/2006/05/google-notebook-just-another-unfinish-project/ http://www.phreaki.com/?postid=20 http://blogs.earthlink.net/2006/05/where_are_my_tagsgoogle.php http://searchviews.com/archives/2006/05/put_down_your_p.php http://blogs.ch... Sage, do you have a cliproll integrated into your site? If not, perhaps you should consider it. I've done a tutorial describing in detail two different methods for making a cliproll an almost seemless part of a site. You could be the beta tester. Fantastic list Funana -- thanks! I don't have a cliproll, BigBadWolf, nor do I plan to spread the word of some people (sorry Merican) for obvious reasons. I certainly plan to have a link, a detailed review with all of the good and bad (sorry Merican) of this excellent online app. To be totally honest, I just don't see the use of cliprolls for other people. For yourself - yes, I can see the value, but for others to view something like that off your site... I don't know, doesn't seem appropriate for someone to come to IT-related site (like mine) and read a cliproll about totally unrelated subject. Perhaps I'm wrong on this and you can convince me otherwise, but for now that's my feelling. @RS: What about cliprolling tags like "technology", "internet" etc.? My site is not IT related, it is ME related. Therefore having a cliproll helps the site's overall appearance and interest. It also gives visitors an immediate feel for what clipmarks is. When most people hear "digg" they think IT or Technology. When someone hears of clipmarks they have no idea what to think and therefore may not even bother. Me, I'd rather see a cool scrolling box of links than read 4 or 5 paragraphs. Then again, I'm lazy. Having the cliproll takes up a lot less space on my page as I can make it any size I want. The fact that it is LIVE makes it that much more interesting to anyone hitting my site. Of course this also helps show off my abilities a bit.  That's just the basics of it. funana asked:I could theoretically, but there are plenty of places people can get info regarding those topics, much more so than I would show and the purpose of my site isn't to be a news source, it's main goal is to relay some info about my company and its services as well as provide some information from my point of view to drive people to resources based on my knowledge, experience and recommendations. I really think that Clipmarks is best used to tailor individual needs, based on that individual preferences and therefore someone should be driven to CM to create their own CM experience, based on their nee... Hmmm. What about using a folder for company related Clipmarks and there you go? I discovered Clipmarks 2 days ago, when I was reading a comment made by someone from the clipmarks.com, relating to the Googles Notebook post of Lifehacker. I started using 3 days now the Google Notebook and from today I decided to give also a chance to clipmarks. I said to myself that if someone who has the guts to post a comment in order to advertise his product which is competitive to Google’s Empire I think he deserves more than one chance. And I am happy to announce here that I did the right move. And although I haven't seen almost nothing yet from clipmarks because I use it for less than an hour, I believe that I will use it A LOT!!! I won't stop using simultaneously also google notebo... @Philos: Hey, welcome to Clipmarks! Have a nice time here and thank you for your interest! Greetings to Athen from Germany! Hey philos welcome! My in-laws are from a tiny island in Greece who's name I can never remember. Ah, new faces...always nice. OK, I've done my part to promote Clipmarks. Now it's time to sit back and let my charm and overwhelming beauty attract web surfers. Crap, that won't work...I'll just have to rely on the Clipmarks' amazingness (and that of the guys who created it). Now it's time to sit back and let my charm and overwhelming beauty attract web surfers.It worked for me.. it can work for you too! |
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