 lifecyce1898 says: I know every popular site is going to have it's share of disturbed users but this is over the top. If it's not possible to have him removed, is there a way to block all his posts. Thank you How about all of the strange comments on my posts this morning??? What's going on here today? Are you getting comments by users with names like bbbffggg? Don't know if it related but pkronfield is way outside the bounds of reasonable behavior. Racist rants, name calling and personal attacks. There clearly something seriously wrong. This individual needs to seek some help. I think there need to be some limits set. @ pcmkrfn Many clips that make it to the popular clips list are hit by the massive spamming your clip has been. Usually the clipdaddies sort it before it shows but recently I've noticed it's got worse. You can remove those comments yourself. He sounds like a white supremacist. I hope none of his neighbours are black. Or Muslim. *shudder* I would hope that people of all beliefs and political persuasions find this offensive. I would like to see him removed from the clipmarks community. There should be no place for hate speech on ClipMarks. You can count my vote too. I would like to see him banned, as well. ROTFLMFAO!!!!! By the same token, half (at least) of the people who pop this clip should be banned. Your motto: Fascism is bad except when we practice it. Call me old fashioned, but I believe in the 1st Amendments guarantee of free speech. Sure, these comments are offensive, but that's no reason for censorship. I've found the most effective way of dealing with commentors like this is with a strongly worded rebuttal. Also, why no comment moderating (voting) on clipmarks? Express your opinion with a mouse-click. I would like to see him banned, too. There is no excuse for posting such disturbing, hateful, racist comments such as the one in the clip. A person sick enough to think and write things like that is a menace to society. That clip is only a small sample of that particular diatribe. Thx JohnWaterman! I actually felt sorry when I saw this because I don't believe in censorship. You have to ponder the consequences of such people in your neighborhood because they are real. What would you do if you were to be living next to him? Well, the first thing is to appreciate that someone would be willing speak the truth no matter how negative or harsh it may sound. The second is to decide whether it is worth your time and energy to engage in a dialog with such people. Since we're dealing with the virtual world, I'd keep it short for now. I actually preferred Clipmarks' feature of blocking such clippers from my eyes. Now I don't see that blocking feature anymore but I can still block the commen... lifecyce1898, to answer your question. You can just block the comments and never bother to check what he's writing. You can purposefully ignore the clips he's making and not be bothered by it. That is the best one can do under the circumstances. It will help you keep your positive energies. I do not favor ignoring but sometime it is the best practice and I'm speaking for both sides. I hope pkronfield would do the same thing when he could no longer tolerate the others (instead of going extreme via his verbal emotions). "You have to ponder the consequences of such people in your neighborhoodHoly crap! He says he lives in the Texas Hill Country, that a twenty minute drive for me. Now you know the kind of people I live around and why, as a Wiccan Hispanic Texan, I'm very, very watchful of my surroundings. Words only affect u if u let them. People give meaning and power to the words and we can easily disempower them I think we are confusing 1st amendment issues here. This is not a public place supported by our redistributed wealth. It's been a long time since I logged on here but I think there are certain terms that are agreed to when you log on. All I know if this were my site and I put in the hard work that was obviously done here anyone users spewing this type of hate would be banned in a heart beat. In hindsight I regret this clip because it might give him more exposure. I would have no objection to the moderators deleting this clip. I sincerely hope the authorities that are protecting Senator Obama have this individual on their watch list. arifsali, I understand your point of view. I try to see the good in people and to ignore those I find offensive. We all have a right to express our own views...within limits. Society needs some rules for behavior that allow people to get together and communicate without having to tolerate someone who ruins the community with their extremely offensive behavior or language. Sure, people can try to ignore the offender, hoping he or she will go away, but when the person delights in being offensive the community has a problem. Imagine living in an apartment or condo that has a gathering room that allows people to meet and socialize, and that most people who come to this gathering place are able ... The 1st amendment rules. After that it your choice to respond or not respond and there are good arguments on both sides either to respond or move on. To spend too much time on either is a waste of good valuable time that could be spent on something worthwhile. One can make a brief comment and let their opinion be known and then move on is which I chose to do. I think the comment is distasteful and necessary but it is his right to say it. I believe the caliber of people on clipmarks have and will continue to comment on such clips in a appropriate manner from what I have seen and read thus far! Well said gingembre. This discussion is a perfect example of a rational and civil exchange of ideas that makes clipmarks so compelling. It's not about censorship it's about eliminating and preventing toxic poison from destroying our community. Brimstone, if this nastiness were directed at me it would be water off a ducks back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment I'm not constitutional attorney. Anyone from the ACLU here? I don't believe it applies here. If that's really him it makes his behavior even more surprising. He really should get some help. The First Amendment doesn't apply, because it isn't the government making the determination of what can or can't be posted. The Clipmarks End User License Agreement, however, does apply, and the first clause of the "You agree not to do the following things" section may be relevant: You agree not to use the Software or Site to upload, post, transmit or otherwise disseminate content or other data that (1) you do not have the right to transmit under any law or any contractual or fiduciary relationship, (2) infringes any intellectual property rights of another, or (3) that is unlawful, harmful, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelou... First of all, this is a private Internet site, so the 1st Amendment does not apply. Sad (as in I don't like it) but true. Second trash breeds flies so don't bother with trolls like old pk. Third Clipmarks has tools to deal with things like these. Use them wisely. I suppose that bald head is a political statement. Seems like an oil and gas company wouldn't want an employee ranting like this in the open. Even the most rabid skinhead would seem to have better judgment than this. Ahh, an oil man, eh? Military too? Aha. Who's worked in the Middle East? Despises Muslims with a passion and fears an Obama presidency? Hmm... Heh, heh I have such a lively imagination. .  Where oh where have the Clip daddies gone? Comments removed are from spammers with id's like ffdeefffdef. New to me since my clips are not usually popular enough to attract spammers. mmmm john waterman said he was the victim of spamming, am I right? so it was not him? if it was him, the I agree with you all and he should be banned from clipmarks, but give hime the benefit of doubt here! Looks a bit like he (pcmkrfn) is a victim? Or have I got this wrong? shoar, the spamming I mentioned was on pcmkrfn's clip and had nothing to do with the content of this clip or the subsequent discussion. Sorry for the confusion. HE'S GETTING JUST THE REACTION HE HOPED FOR SITTING AT HIS DESK TITTERING ---BUT DON'T WORRY CAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO NEVER GOT THE GIRL THE ONE WHO CAME LAST IN THE RACE THE ONE WHO CAME LAST IN EVERYTHING AND NEVER MADE ANYTHING OF HIS LOUSY LIFE WOULD HE STAND UP IN REAL LIFE AND SAY IT TO HIS FACE --NO HE HIDES BEHIND CLIPMARKS HE AND OBAMA NO CONTEST AND THE TRASH HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ALL HE EVER SLEPT WITH.[ LOOSER] We've agreed to a EULA. If it's never enforced, we've been robbed. This guy agreed to the same thing we all agreed to, but he's thumbing his nose at his own promise. Without passing judgment on whether the EULA should or shouldn't be there, it simply is - and those are the terms under which we were all attracted to CM. Now, if the deal's really different than we understood . . . There are a lot of things said here that are insulting. I'm insulted everyday. I don't make a big deal out of it. Someone....once told me that the more you stir a pile of crap, the more it stinks. The wise thing would have been to just walk on by and not play with it. But in this case, the decision was made to not only stir it, but to call everyones attention to it so they could stir it too. Nobody likes a snitch. Now, EVERYONE, please consider this. When a comment is removed, Clipmarks takes a look at it, and may or may not act upon it. Your first thought might be something like, "Oh Goody Goody". Well, maybe not. Our ability to remove remarks can be abused also and at some point, someon... chestnut, I'll say it again. All the comments removed are spammers that are not commenting on the subject. They post links to things they are trying to sell. Some of them are removed by the moderators and some by me. I will not remove comments that disagree with my point of view. I'll will remove personal attacks and racial slurs. Mr. Kronfield is so far beyond the pale I question his mental health. This goes beyond political correctness. Two things seem to precede a racist rant, the most common "I'm not prejudiced but...." and the other "I can't stand political correctness and censorship...." We should be striving to evolve past this type of thing. masbury, Once again you make an excellent point and I hope the moderators read and consider your comment. If this is not a violation then what is? I think posting personal information about Clippers is creepy, no matter how easy it is to find. It happens from time to time. I wrote a letter last week to Clipmarks support and feedback which I recommend we all do. The issue is not free speech but hate speech. I can write everything I want about someone but it would be against the law in my country to then say: Well, lets go out and kill him. There is also a violation of the EULA. What really annoyed me was that his own clips, the one's he starts, can't be stopped NOR CAN THEY BE RESPONDED TO! He blocks people from commenting on his own clips and thus there is no way to at least balance out his stream of hate. I don't like how he can go on and on but by 'blacklisting' people and blocking them from making comments about what he's saying, it's unfair. One bott... Second trash breeds flies so don't bother with trolls like old pk.Ratilfar, you fan the fires with the best of them as quoted above. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I know I can be as obnoxious as hell, but I'm trying to mend my ways. That is all. citizenbfk, good idea. I take his disdain as validation. I'm trying to mend my ways.You deserve praise. Hat's off to you. *curtseying* :  The real PKronfield. http://clipmarks.com/clipper/cptenaud/sort/latest-comments/clip/710D405C-5F7E-4AB2-862B-1B0593772843/ He is a coward and big story teller. Thinks he was a Vietnam Veteran. Thinks he has 3 kids but didn't care to find out. Thinks he can speak Arabic. 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