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5-27-2006 2:36 PM
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5-27-2006 2:45 PM
egoldstein
i can see you praying now Godfrey
5-27-2006 2:49 PM
Merican
+ BBW +RS +Wilhelm , but what r they praying for? If they get her elected its like getting their permanent war (oops, war on terrorism), they have a causi belli for another 4 or 8 years....
5-27-2006 2:53 PM
BigBadWolf
Wow Hillary looks kind of sexy in this picture.
5-27-2006 2:55 PM
anonymology
She does - has she had a little work done?
5-27-2006 2:57 PM
BigBadWolf
I don't know and while I am no fan of her, I am finding myself strangely attracted to this photo.

I am sure there's been a little airbrushing done.
5-27-2006 2:57 PM
anonymology
Aye, that at least. I'd like to see Hilary in the WH - I think she's a fantastic woman.
5-27-2006 3:00 PM
BigBadWolf
I will say she is one smart woman but I don't like some of her policies. However, I have lost so much faith in Bush now that I will have to rethink what is important to me as a voter.
5-27-2006 3:04 PM
anonymology
'Woman' is the key attribute for me here - it's time (if that doesn't soudn too sexist!).
5-27-2006 3:06 PM
egoldstein
Wolf, totally!!! She is looking real hot in this picture! Didn't notice at first.
5-27-2006 3:10 PM
anonymology
Boys are so funny!
5-27-2006 3:13 PM
Godfrey Daniel
This is obviously a very old picture, but that aside, if this is what you call "real hot", my sympathies for your personal lives.
5-27-2006 3:14 PM
Godfrey Daniel
.... and whatever you do, don't let your women see your comments.
5-27-2006 5:36 PM
bignosemousie
I also think Hillary looks pretty nice in this photo. I'm afraid if we have a female president right now, all the focus will be on her gender and not so much on the state of the country and such. I don't have too much faith in our media that I won't be reading "President Clinton gets New Hairstyle before visit to China." and blah blah blah.
5-27-2006 10:56 PM
travislaborde
If we have to have a woman president, can't it be Ann instead?
5-27-2006 10:58 PM
travislaborde
uh oh, wait.... I meant to type "if we are going to have a woman president" not "if we HAVE to..."

I have nothing at all against having a woman president.

If Ann Coulter ran I'd not only vote for her but I'd get into the whole "hand out literature and drum up support" thing
5-27-2006 11:05 PM
Kore7
f Ann Coulter ran I'd not only vote for her but I'd get into the whole "hand out literature and drum up support" thing
Even though she scathingly attacks our president during this time of war, going so far as to support his impeachment? Isn't this behavior bordering on treasonous? Why does Coulter hate America so much?
5-27-2006 11:16 PM
invictus
5-27-2006 11:18 PM
invictus
Plus, using the words "matriarchy" and "Hillary" in the same sentence sounds like blasphemy to me.
5-28-2006 1:37 AM
willhelm
Merican, I'm praying for you!
5-28-2006 12:16 PM
anonymology
... then I would finally be inclined to leave the country even though my people were here long before you whiteys showed up.
Amaruca, I suppose I wonder why you don't leave. You seem to be really frustrated and unhappy with the current situation in America (and I'm sure you're surrounded by the republicans etc. that you dislike so much), so it seems like an option. I'm sure there are many practical reasons why you couldn't go easily, but I think I would hate to live somewhere if I despised its politics, policies and leaders so much.

N.B. This is not an invitation for anyone to have a go at Amaruca, by the way, I'm genuinely interested.
5-28-2006 1:01 PM
BigBadWolf
I was tempted to reply to her "racist" comment this morning but I let it go figuring sooner or later, someone else would pick up on it. I am sure if I lashed out at her for it, I wouldn't have been blamed.

Either way, thank you for recognizing the hatred this person has anon.
5-28-2006 1:14 PM
invictus
Amaruca, I suppose I wonder why you don't leave.
Anonymology and Rich, this argument reminds me a popular motto of Turkish fascists: "Either love, or leave!"

They say, "You must love this country as it is, or you'll leave immediately!"

"Why?" we ask, "Is only possible alternative for this country, what fascists want and support?"

People can feel uncomfortable with the situation at a given time in their country. People can criticise the governments. Even people can fall apart with the great majority in the country. Is their only chance "to leave" the land where were born and they feel they belong?

Democracy is not majority's rule; it also means to protect minority's right...
5-28-2006 1:22 PM
BigBadWolf
Invictus... where do you see me saying she should leave? I commented about her remark, that is all.

Even better question, how come I don't see you commenting on her obviously racist remark? I am surprised at you.
5-28-2006 1:29 PM
invictus
Oh my.. Rich, I was not talking about what Amaruca had said or commented. (Though I haven't seen her racist remark yet, maybe it has escaped from my attention.) I just pointed out the comment of anonymology which suggested "to leave" the country, and you appeared to approve. OK, maybe I was wrong and misunderstood the whole thing. My apologies for any disturbance I caused
5-28-2006 1:33 PM
anonymology
Either way, thank you for recognizing the hatred this person has anon.
I didn't say anything about this - I just asked Amaruca why she doesn't consider no longer living in a country she dislikes so much about - she already implied that she would be inclined to leave, so I asked her about it. I certainly didn't pass any remarks on anything you think I did, BBW.

And everyone has the right to tell his/her idea and express criticism
about the country he/she lives in; without to be ushered to leave.
And yet another way to misread someone's comments. I agree with what you say, but as a criticism of the question I asked, I take objection.

Where did I usher Amaruca ...
5-28-2006 1:45 PM
BigBadWolf
invictus...

my people were here long before you whiteys showed up.
You mean to tell me you didn't notice that? This was the whole reason anon replied in the first place. All I said was "thanks for recognizing the hatred this person has."
5-28-2006 1:46 PM
BigBadWolf
So am I the only one that thinks her calling us "whitey" is not acceptable?
5-28-2006 1:49 PM
anonymology
I will be honest and say I did think that that was out of line (and certainly putting oneself in the line of fire) - but I'm on this 'ignoring' kick right now, and it doesn't really apply to us non-Americans anyway, I guess.

(Sorry, that sounds like a cop out - well it probably is!)
5-28-2006 2:09 PM
anonymology
Well, I'm from Ireland and I live in England now, so I won't have any need for your army.

But nice.
5-28-2006 2:11 PM
invictus
This is yet another example of clippers using comments, incorrectly, for their own agendas.
I do not have any agenda anonymology. The case here maybe I misunderstood your comment but I wasn't trying to offend you. Never mind, forget it.

Rich, I did saw the word "whitey" in Amaruca's comment and although I didn't find it "nice" and approvable, I didn't consider as "racism" either. Yes, the native Americans were there, long before the pilgrims, European immigrants ("whiteys") arrived. In fact, we can take "whitey" as a general definition here for the European colonists. It exposes a "dislike" and has political backgrounds about colonialism maybe, but I don't believe it refl...
5-28-2006 2:13 PM
anonymology

I do not have any agenda anonymology. The case here maybe I
misunderstood your comment but I wasn't trying to offend you. Never
mind, forget it.
Forgotten.
5-28-2006 2:27 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Amaruca, when you come to realize that your problems are internal, you will have made the first crucial step to recovery, and you will be much happier.
5-28-2006 3:01 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Evil rotten bastards are problematic, but it's even more so when you imagine them under your bed and in the closet.
5-28-2006 3:08 PM
BigBadWolf
tsk tsk tsk... should I tell you I am part Cherokee now or later?

You, like others I've seen expressing this much hate, have become funny now. Thank you for reaching the point where your rantings are actually causing me to grin rather than frown.
5-28-2006 3:41 PM
Kore7
Is it pointless to try to confront the ugliness going on here lately? Amarauca, for civility's sake, I ask you to say what you want to say without using racial epithets, especially in an argument involving race. No matter how on the defense you might feel, loaded words will only help drag the discussion down further. And I'm not trying to single you out...it goes for everyone. Thanks.
5-30-2006 8:55 AM
travislaborde
I for one didn't take the "whitey" comment as hate-filled. Sure, I'm white. Why wasn't I offended?

I honestly don't know what makes one slang word more offensive than another. Why is "whitey" less offenisve to ME than Spick, Wetback, Chink, or ... the dreaded N word ?

Is it because that one applies to me, and I somehow feel "above it all?" I just don't know. Cracker, Whitebread, honky, whatever. I think it's funny.

Maybe it's because neither I nor my ancestors that I know about were oppressed and used as slaves? If they were, would I be more angry about being called a whitey?

I hope I never know
5-30-2006 9:00 AM
BigBadWolf
And by the way, while I am no liberal (thank the almighty!) I am somewhat of an environmentalist. An active one at that.

To clarify travis, it didn't offend me personally, not one iota. What bothered me is that she could get away with saying that where as if one of us used any of the words you mentioned, we'd be trashed for it.
5-30-2006 10:31 AM
travislaborde
Yeah, that does suck.

It's just like the standard "dont you DARE teach my child about God in school." Don't even go so far as to let kids "have a moment of silence in which some of them can pray if they want." That's too PUSHY about your OLD OUTDATED RELIGION.

Yet at the same time "how DARE you object to our teaching your kids that being gay is OK, and that promiscuity is OK as long as you "protect" yourself, and that their graddad was a monkey? Again, you are PUSHING YOUR RELIGION on us.

It's all a very pathetic tapestry of lies. It's the way of the world. The bad news is - they win. Until HE comes back. Sigh......
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