Those thing happen because of God giving man free will. He wants us to simply obey him and love him as any father would. But he is not going to force his love on you, that is something you are going to have to decide on your own. If you reject him, that is your issue, and between you and God. But he will always be waiting for you, and he will he never turn his back on you, as you have done to him. Again, Mr Deity has the answer. http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/63369031-01DA-4E69-B43C-2284E4A8146E/ I have to say i feel the same way joaaron feels. but not also that you have to understand that everything GOD does is in His perfect plain. Remember he knows all and sees all. He knew you would reject him before you were even born. But his love for you is unconditional and unfailing. Just like your father and mother love you. He will be waiting on you to turn to him again. Trust me. So if I'm wrong, and there is a God, I still get into heaven? Or even though He loves me, he will still send me to Hell? Invictus, Being once agnostic in a sense I can understand skepticism. I believe skepticism to be a truth-seekers best asset. However, this clip shows gross-ignorance in regard to Christian Theology and displays more a lack of understanding than an argument for atheism. Extremely well-said, willhelm, I couldn't agree more. I agree with willhelm and prettyinpinky. It is like just trying to see things out of contex and it would have a completely different meaning. Also our parents love us most in this world, but they would beat us not for their liking but for our Good. If god wanted us to worship him out of free will and thus didn't want to reveal himself your left with two questions: 1. God revealed himself to the hebrews after they left egypt, he spoke to them, performed outright miracles, and healed all of them. Directly after that is when they worship the golden calf, as we see directly in the bible revelation does not equal loss of free choice. 2. Why does God want us to obey him/why should we? If you try to answer because he knows whats best for us just like a father, he's not like a father. A father is not all powerful and is thus confined to natural law. God on the other hand is all powerful and can make it that no matter what we do it will be best for us not just by confining to his laws. I think it is really odd the way we project human emotional needs onto god. Do you really think that god would be so petty and so self un-assure as to need to make us to love god and to be vengeful if we don't? That is an anthropomorphized god. It seems anti-Christians can muster nothing but kindergarten questions regarding Christian Faith. I URGE you to at least take a rational and objective look at Christian Theology. Every question one could have is answered scripturally, philosophically, and logically. KMCOLO, Let clarify something you stated. Anthropomorphism applies to ascribing human qualities to non-human entities. So, your point is meaningless. I realize my clarification requires further clarification. You need to understand that Christianity is the only faith that ascibes God's image to Man, not a projection of our mind or ideas to a foreign entity. Further clarify. God is either non-human onto which we ascribe human qualities or god is human. By your statement are you saying that god is human? I said no such thing. My follow up statement clarified your question. The point I am making is we do not project needs onto God. We describe God and our relationship to God using language, but language is not suited to describe the infinite. There are 2 types of attibutes we can ascribe to God Incommunicable and communicable. When we speak of a relationship with God we use terms we understand, but we do not ascribe them to God. For example, justice. We as humans all define justice differently and we do not know the way God would apply justice. However, our discussion is futile because you seem to be agnostic or atheist. So the discussion should be along the lines of an argument you... you tend not to debate honestly.Quite the way to open a debate, willhelm. Seems you are trying hard to dissuade me from a debate. What is it that you fear from me, the outcome you experienced in our climate discussion perhaps? Anyway, there is no debate. How does one debate faith? I see no way. You either have it or you don't. I said no such thing. My follow up statement clarified your question.Which did not clarify a thing for me which is why I followed up with my request for further clarification. So let me try again. Is god human? Yes/No First, I did not open a debate. Second, I was not proposing we debate faith. That was what I was getting away from. Are you really that dense? Third, I cannot help you with your handicaps. Fourth, I have no faith in the fact you can understand relation mutability and ontological immutability. So I will freely admit it is a road I will not go down with you due to pure futility. Fifth, You are some comedian or at least that is what I will assume to avoid the idea that you are purely delusional. You must have been picked on a lot as a child. More projection form you willhelm? Extracted from the fear based screed: I have no faith in the fact you can understand relation mutability and ontological immutability.Well you might try. This way they might wind-up being more than just complex sounding long words. You have proven the futility of any attempts to reason. You do not understand concepts such as common sense and materialism. You agree with me, then tell my I'm wrong. You prove my points, then tell me I'm wrong. You make an abject fool of yourself in discussions with amguman, then try to make a case by lying. It is a fair judgement on my part to leave you with a few words at which to scratch your head. willhelm. Still waiting... He's too dim-witted to make a reasonable, let alone logical, argument. Asking him to clarify, or by showing where he's wrong invites the only logic he knows. The logical fallacy of ad hominem. Proof? Look at his last post. Every single sentence has "you" in it! Problem is, the subject was not about "you". He attempts to berate "you" as a way of changing the subject. And notice, there is no answer to the question! Trust me, he's a waste of time. |
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