enlighten me on my poor understanding of Jesus teaching, which came, by the way, from trinity methodist church indoctrination for 18 years. wilhelm-did you read McCains words? Did you read all those experts who say people will say anything under such duress and it is therefore unreliable. Did you read my clip or any of the many others where insiders dispute it's value, even beyond whether or not it's torture, which the entire world sees it as so. According to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., himself a torture victim during
the Vietnam War, the water board technique is a "very exquisite
torture" that should be outlawed.
"Torture is define...

enlighten me on my poor understanding of Jesus teaching, which came, by the way, from trinity methodist church indoctrination for 18 years. wilhelm-did you read McCains words? Did you read all those experts who say people will say anything under such duress and it is therefore unreliable. Did you read my clip or any of the many others where insiders dispute it's value, even beyond whether or not it's torture, which the entire world sees it as so. According to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., himself a torture victim during
the Vietnam War, the water board technique is a "very exquisite
torture" that should be outlawed.
"Torture is defined under the federal criminal code as the intentional
infliction of severe mental pain or suffering," said John Sifton, an
attorney and researcher with the organization Human Rights Watch. "That
would include water boarding." Water boarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in Vietnam 40 years ago. Your argument that we got information which saved 3000 is a non starter. I'm willing to hear your religious argument.

yes I did know that, as an effort to prepare them for what they would get if captured by the enemy, and how to resist the torture technique. Malcolm Nance, an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security, Special Operations and Intelligence, publicly denounced the practice. He revealed that waterboarding is used in training at the US Navy's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School in San Diego, and claimed to have witnessed and supervised "hundreds" of waterboarding exercises. Although these last only a few minutes and take place under medical supervision, he concluded that "waterboarding is a torture technique – period".

The practice involves strapping the person...

yes I did know that, as an effort to prepare them for what they would get if captured by the enemy, and how to resist the torture technique. Malcolm Nance, an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security, Special Operations and Intelligence, publicly denounced the practice. He revealed that waterboarding is used in training at the US Navy's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School in San Diego, and claimed to have witnessed and supervised "hundreds" of waterboarding exercises. Although these last only a few minutes and take place under medical supervision, he concluded that "waterboarding is a torture technique – period".

The practice involves strapping the person being interrogated on to a board as pints of water are forced into his lungs through a cloth covering his face while the victim's mouth is forced open. Its effect, according to Mr Nance, is a process of slow-motion suffocation.

Typically, a victim goes into hysterics on the board as water fills his lungs. "How much the victim is to drown," Mr Nance wrote in an article for the Small Wars Journal, "depends on the desired result and the obstinacy of the subject. Mr Nance explained that "since the lungs are actually filling with water", there is nothing simulated about it. "Waterboarding," he said, "is slow-motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of blackout and expiration. When done right, it is controlled death."

How come you know so much better than McCain and others who have been intimitately involved with this?

willhelm, you truly are a toad.

In training, the waterboard methods are watered down; no pun intended. The soldiers know that it will only be done as training, that it is in a very strict training environment, and that they won't be forced to experience it over and over and over.

In training there are live bullets fired at troops too. They are trained in gas masks as well, at one point having to take their masks off and forced to breath the gas - but soon as they get that whiff they are taken out into fresh air. It's done with their acceptance. They have a choice to refuse the training if they want.

But I guess that is lost on toads like you who refuse to admit that your sick and twisted...

willhelm, you truly are a toad.

In training, the waterboard methods are watered down; no pun intended. The soldiers know that it will only be done as training, that it is in a very strict training environment, and that they won't be forced to experience it over and over and over.

In training there are live bullets fired at troops too. They are trained in gas masks as well, at one point having to take their masks off and forced to breath the gas - but soon as they get that whiff they are taken out into fresh air. It's done with their acceptance. They have a choice to refuse the training if they want.

But I guess that is lost on toads like you who refuse to admit that your sick and twisted ideologies make you less than human.

You, of course, make no mention of those that died, or those that had to go through over 100 water boarding sessions for months. And you refuse to acknowledge that your bullshit proof was disproved. Then you say that the majority believe that this crap isn't torture? You are such a yellow coward liar. God you disgust me.

It's torture. No signivicant knowledge was gained from it or the other varieties of torture used and many of our most esteemed security leaders call it torture and declare that torture like this is a very poor way of getting information.