Operation of the government is more than just lines of succession if the bastard (and we know who I am talking about) gets shot, blown up, torn in two by horses, drawn and quartered by a mob... I think you get the idea.

Face it, we have one of the largest force of arms in the world (some people out number us in sheer infantry: see china for example). We don't want our troops who are out on a limb to be floundering around in combat zones with no clear "what if" orders. That sort of info is gold to any country (note i did not use the T word). Who seeks to take advantage of domestic complications (read as assassination or another horrible event in which thousands of American civilians die)....

Operation of the government is more than just lines of succession if the bastard (and we know who I am talking about) gets shot, blown up, torn in two by horses, drawn and quartered by a mob... I think you get the idea.

Face it, we have one of the largest force of arms in the world (some people out number us in sheer infantry: see china for example). We don't want our troops who are out on a limb to be floundering around in combat zones with no clear "what if" orders. That sort of info is gold to any country (note i did not use the T word). Who seeks to take advantage of domestic complications (read as assassination or another horrible event in which thousands of American civilians die).

Anyways this Peter shrub is in the house of reps. He isn't in the need to know because he isn't in the line of succession. Hell if it we have to rely on anyone in the house to take the reigns we are in some deep sh*t.

This may be a move of the media to continue to thrash the bastard in charge nothing more.

Learn about the American government BB. We are a representative democracy. All the flower horse crap in the world that our corrupt leaders (and even Lincoln was corrupt, hell he drove our country to war over federal rights out weighing states rights and sugar coated it to the abolitionists to gain popular support) say is all a ploy to maintain power.

Our government is regimented based off of a constitution in which "we the people" elect people who run our country and those people "appoint" others positions of power.

In our government, "we the people" are an afterthought. There is a rigid line of succession in the event of an emergency to ensure that the executive office is maintained (o...

Learn about the American government BB. We are a representative democracy. All the flower horse crap in the world that our corrupt leaders (and even Lincoln was corrupt, hell he drove our country to war over federal rights out weighing states rights and sugar coated it to the abolitionists to gain popular support) say is all a ploy to maintain power.

Our government is regimented based off of a constitution in which "we the people" elect people who run our country and those people "appoint" others positions of power.

In our government, "we the people" are an afterthought. There is a rigid line of succession in the event of an emergency to ensure that the executive office is maintained (one of our three branches of government if you were not aware). This line does not extend into the pool of the house of representatives, the lowest ranking elected officials on capitol hill.

As for the little quote from O'l Abe, when the Roman empire collapsed and vanished from the maps. They were a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Get a clue, folks. DeFazio, as the article CLEARLY states, sits on the Homeland Security Committee. He has EVERY security clearance he needs. There is the little notion in our representative democracy commonly referred to as checks and balances. He, as a member of an oversight committee, is a CHECK, elected by the people to represent them in the balance of power of the government. He has EVERY RIGHT to view any documents he wants regarding homeland security.

Take you little civics lesson someplace where you might learn something, Drone. Yes, there is a rigid line of succession in the Constitution. There also used to be something called habeas corpus. That's gone, and effectively the core of...

Get a clue, folks. DeFazio, as the article CLEARLY states, sits on the Homeland Security Committee. He has EVERY security clearance he needs. There is the little notion in our representative democracy commonly referred to as checks and balances. He, as a member of an oversight committee, is a CHECK, elected by the people to represent them in the balance of power of the government. He has EVERY RIGHT to view any documents he wants regarding homeland security.

Take you little civics lesson someplace where you might learn something, Drone. Yes, there is a rigid line of succession in the Constitution. There also used to be something called habeas corpus. That's gone, and effectively the core of the constitution has been gutted, as many constitutional scholars have observed. So, when the PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVE, who is on the committee which provides oversight to activities regarding homeland security wants to see a document which is within the realm of homeland security, all he needs do is ASK, but in the mock US govt. run by the BushCo cabal, that makes no matter. That's a BIG FRICKIN' DEAL, and if it doesn't scare you down to your boots... you never really understood in the first place.

Read your constitution. Congress does not exist to provide oversight committees on military defense (or offense for that matter). Oversight committees are a result of the men in congress wanting more power than the constitution affords them.

Now I am not saying oversight committees shouldn't exist, they are a necessary evil. When you have too many damn fingers in the pie... well it turns to mush.

As for being elected... please. A majority of the people in America DON'T VOTE. Mainly due to ignorance. I sure as hell didn't vote for him. He is in the house of representatives he is supposed to forward ideas and drafts of laws that his constituency request. And I am willing to bet his co...

Read your constitution. Congress does not exist to provide oversight committees on military defense (or offense for that matter). Oversight committees are a result of the men in congress wanting more power than the constitution affords them.

Now I am not saying oversight committees shouldn't exist, they are a necessary evil. When you have too many damn fingers in the pie... well it turns to mush.

As for being elected... please. A majority of the people in America DON'T VOTE. Mainly due to ignorance. I sure as hell didn't vote for him. He is in the house of representatives he is supposed to forward ideas and drafts of laws that his constituency request. And I am willing to bet his constituency didn't demand nor request his actions. He has done what he did of his own doing, and now he is crying because they slapped his hand.

As for security clearances. There are more flavors than you can even imagine. Perhaps the document if for a small groups eyes only, and yes, we have that type to.

And don't talk to me about civics kind sir. I have done my fair share of study and my fair share of action. I've earned my right to vote through action not just birth. Can you say the same? (no seriously have you, this isn't a insult, I am curious to see how many vets I stumble across.)

Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office,
worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified
portion of a White House plan for operating the government
after a terrorist attack.

When you said that, I stopped taking you seriously, as it shows you didn't actually read the clip...

Well a big how do you do to you to. Believe every thing you read. I am willing to bet implies I don't take the news report at face value!

Lies are easy conceal, the truth is even easier to destroy. Infact I take everything that comes from the mouth of a professional con artist seriously (please note the sarcasm).

Take me seriously or no. The man has not an iota of right to ...

Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office,
worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified
portion of a White House plan for operating the government
after a terrorist attack.

When you said that, I stopped taking you seriously, as it shows you didn't actually read the clip...

Well a big how do you do to you to. Believe every thing you read. I am willing to bet implies I don't take the news report at face value!

Lies are easy conceal, the truth is even easier to destroy. Infact I take everything that comes from the mouth of a professional con artist seriously (please note the sarcasm).

Take me seriously or no. The man has not an iota of right to view an eyes only document. If he is all hurt about it, maybe politics isn't for him.

As I ponder ever deeper on the subject, something disturbing comes to light.

If there was a classified portion to the document, THAT wouldn't be stated in the unclassified portion.

But then again... what the hell do I know... spending five years reading confidential and secret (how secret you ask? We will use the policy regarding sexuality in the military as a reference: Don't ask, don't tell) documents, technical manuals, and correspondence. Not once in the unclassified versions has it ever referenced the classified versions.

Kinda weird huh? Some back woods conspiracy (liberal or conservative) nuts scream bloody murder at their rep because they fear the government is hiding something ...

As I ponder ever deeper on the subject, something disturbing comes to light.

If there was a classified portion to the document, THAT wouldn't be stated in the unclassified portion.

But then again... what the hell do I know... spending five years reading confidential and secret (how secret you ask? We will use the policy regarding sexuality in the military as a reference: Don't ask, don't tell) documents, technical manuals, and correspondence. Not once in the unclassified versions has it ever referenced the classified versions.

Kinda weird huh? Some back woods conspiracy (liberal or conservative) nuts scream bloody murder at their rep because they fear the government is hiding something from them. In a secret document that not even the rep had access to... kinda sounds fishy to me.

Don't take my word. Take the word of a certified TLAM (thats tomahawk cruise missiles) and MK 48 (torpedoes that can split super carriers in twain) weapons handler. Or take the word of a man thats slept between the tubes of the Trident III ICBM aboard an Ohio Class SSBN for three months. Or how about someone who could have been fish food because the O2 generator caught fire (yea... electrolysis, high quantities of hydrogen and oxygen go boom). Or even better yet, lets definitely take the word of someone who had to research intricate electrical and computer schematics for launch control systems aboard the Virginia class submarines, someone who worked hand in hand to install one of the deadl...

Don't take my word. Take the word of a certified TLAM (thats tomahawk cruise missiles) and MK 48 (torpedoes that can split super carriers in twain) weapons handler. Or take the word of a man thats slept between the tubes of the Trident III ICBM aboard an Ohio Class SSBN for three months. Or how about someone who could have been fish food because the O2 generator caught fire (yea... electrolysis, high quantities of hydrogen and oxygen go boom). Or even better yet, lets definitely take the word of someone who had to research intricate electrical and computer schematics for launch control systems aboard the Virginia class submarines, someone who worked hand in hand to install one of the deadliest fire control systems known to man.

Or you can decide not to.

You want spooky and weird. Read some Ian Flemming.

Be as cynical as you want. Considering my service to this rotting nation, I have a unique vantage point. Some people just don't understand that Bush and VP should burn alive for the things they have done, not this stupid, blown out of proportion news article.

I seriously think this article is nothing more than a half hearted attempt to stir civil disorder.

You want a real reason to Impeach... look at the reconstruction of Iraq. Look who's friends have bungled the job. None other than the VP. You know whats kind of funny, There is no oversight to the office of the VP, how do you think they are getting around so many road blocks. Those are some real reasons, suffering for the all mighty...

Be as cynical as you want. Considering my service to this rotting nation, I have a unique vantage point. Some people just don't understand that Bush and VP should burn alive for the things they have done, not this stupid, blown out of proportion news article.

I seriously think this article is nothing more than a half hearted attempt to stir civil disorder.

You want a real reason to Impeach... look at the reconstruction of Iraq. Look who's friends have bungled the job. None other than the VP. You know whats kind of funny, There is no oversight to the office of the VP, how do you think they are getting around so many road blocks. Those are some real reasons, suffering for the all mighty dollar has never been so trendy. With the army in place, it just makes it sooooo much easier.

Drone, I'll let pass your looking down your nose at my VERY legitimate 4F status as some definition of my somehow being a second-class citizen. Maybe you aren't old enough to know what 4F was. Medically unfit for any military duty.

But if we want to play that game, how many have taken the time to prepare a statement, travel to the state capital and seek out the appropriate committee meeting so as to offer public statement of the need for keeping open records, find that all others offering testimony on the subject are members of a special interest on one side of the issue or the other, only get into the queue within the alloted time as a legitimate commenter by catching the home district ele...

Drone, I'll let pass your looking down your nose at my VERY legitimate 4F status as some definition of my somehow being a second-class citizen. Maybe you aren't old enough to know what 4F was. Medically unfit for any military duty.

But if we want to play that game, how many have taken the time to prepare a statement, travel to the state capital and seek out the appropriate committee meeting so as to offer public statement of the need for keeping open records, find that all others offering testimony on the subject are members of a special interest on one side of the issue or the other, only get into the queue within the alloted time as a legitimate commenter by catching the home district elected representative who happens to sit on that committee in a bald face lie and speaking out out of order to call him out about it so as to be gaveled to silence, and then present what at least two members of the committee termed to be the only rational statement offered on the subject? Just because I've done this doesn't make me better, it only makes me an active citizen who cares about my rights, my government, and my fellow citizens.

It doesn't take a vet to understand that The Decider and his Eastern Shore ventriloquist should have long ago faced charges which if proven would have them hanged, as is the only proper end for traitors.

The point in calling out the news article is to show the brazen in-your-face audacity of this administration as to the rights of the people; to maybe wake people up to just what a bunch of ass-hats we have running the show.

@enbar, we'll put the 'opportunity' issue aside for a minute, but it is interesting to watch this cause such an uproar... and I think Rioting Drone may very well be right - this guy may not have access to this stuff. This 'for the people' stuff is kids talk. The reality is - there are certain security arrangements in place and they must be honored. Getting back to Berger, the guy used his security to get into this facility, stole some documents, took them out of the building, hid them... these aren't rumors or whatever - these turned out to be facts. The guy was later slapped on the wrist for it and we still haven't seen the original versions of these documents. Where was the people's o...

@enbar, we'll put the 'opportunity' issue aside for a minute, but it is interesting to watch this cause such an uproar... and I think Rioting Drone may very well be right - this guy may not have access to this stuff. This 'for the people' stuff is kids talk. The reality is - there are certain security arrangements in place and they must be honored. Getting back to Berger, the guy used his security to get into this facility, stole some documents, took them out of the building, hid them... these aren't rumors or whatever - these turned out to be facts. The guy was later slapped on the wrist for it and we still haven't seen the original versions of these documents. Where was the people's outrage and demand for justice then? Actually there was, but certain not from people who are eager to slap Bush with anything they can, regardless if it's factual or baseless.

All I'm pointing out is the typical political assassinations, without getting to the bottom of the story with all the facts on the table.

Not unlike the Haditha situation with bunch of people, including some Congressmen/women calling them murderers etc... now we find out that things didn't go down as indicated and these boys were blamed without a good reason.

If this guy does have security and should be able to get into these documents - I have no problems with him doing so and uncovering whatever he finds. More power to him. But if he doesn't, regardless of his highly inquisitive nature and because 'the public needs to know' - he shouldn't be snooping there.