 AtlLiberal says: Religious delusions kill again. Another small child sacrificed for dogma. — Comment removed by clipper — Clearly from this news story we can deduce that all religions are bad, and as such offer society absolutely nothing of value. If we can just keep these religious bastards from spreading their poison through "charities," "selfless volunteer work" and "donations" we can finally begin to clean up this mess of the world. End the dogma! End the charade of "helping those in need!" @knslyr Clever. But it doesn't really address the issue raised by the clip. By your reasoning, if the parishioners managed a food bank that would justify the murder of this toddler? How absurd. If you are this concerned about one child's senseless death, then you must be livid about the hundreds of thousands of senseless Iraqi civilian deaths................ right?  knslyr is absolutely right. This is a personal battle for you and you are spewing your rage all over clipmarks, wearing the cloak of an Atheist, over the smock of a scientist. It is not appreciated. Not appreciated by who? I very much appreciate AtlLiberal's contribution to Clipmarks; it IS appreciated. At no time have I seen him make such rude and personal remarks as you have just made. You may be right. So sad that people believe in fairy tales over science, but hey it is only 2008, right? Atheist chime in! But, a lack of rude and personal remarks does not negate an agenda. OK, thanks for the invite. Chime in I will. It is horrendous that in the 21st century people are being brainwashed by ignoramuses into believing a bronze age death cult to the extent that they will kill a child. Wouldn't you agree? I agree that there are numerous false gospels. If a gospel mentions the existence of a god it is false in my opinion. So yes - lots. Which gospels do you consider false? I don't really understand your "agenda" statement. Could you explain what you mean. agenda- like having a plan to be hateful disguised as a crusade for good. The apostle Paul mentions that some are being lead away by a different gospel, which is not different but distorted. So are you saying clipping this is part of a plan to be hateful that he is trying to disguise as a crusade for good? - I just don't see it. I'm also not sure if I understand the point you are making about different gospels. Do you mean that this group that killed the child are following a distorted gospel? Sorry to keep asking for clarification - but I really do want to understand the point you are making. John, you must have missed the Offical Atheist Manifesto that was sent out just this morning that instructed us all to adhere to bylaw 3.3.2 of the Atheist Agenda. I couldn't function without it. As far as the rantings of this fundamentalist, I've dealt with him/her before. In that encounter he/she apologised for being offensive. I suspect short term memory loss. Not just this clip but many others of his showing his disgust not only for organized religion but for Christianity on a whole. Seems to be trying to 'prove' through examples of their failures that 'degradation' and 'evil' are the fruits of believing in a god. Yes to the second statement. Killing can not be considered a loving ask, wouldn't you say? Christianity holds that God is love. Hi Alt ....I was talking behind your back. Another one of my vices, I suppose. I am not an atheist, but a believer. these people are "exstremist's", thats my oppinion for what it's worth! But like your reasoning John! Not just this clip but many others of his showing his disgust not onlyI don't think AltLiberal is trying to "prove" anything, but he does provide us with plenty of evidence that "degradation and evil" are often "the fruits of believing in a god". No hidden agenda - quite an open one (worthy and righteous too  )Killing can not be considered a loving ask, wouldn't you say? Christianity holds that God is love.Is the god of the [url=http://friendlyatheist.com/4246/illustr... Alt, I don't get the O.A.M. I prefer the Militant Atheists' Handbook. Many more practical tips to rattle the religious. Look at it this way. Everybody's gotta die, right? According to Christianity, then comes the judgement.One of God's primary gifts is eternal life which is no small matter to a human. Now, because God slew scores of people in the old testament doesn't mean that they were judged, because judgement comes later in the future. If you have kids, you know the feeling when you hug the child after you have just finished punishing him and he is crying. That is mercy and forgiveness, traits said to be abundant in God. That's the kind of reasoning that allows child killing like that in the original clip. Everyone's got to die - so they're just speeding him on his way to his glorious day of judgment. Sick. I have always been a beleiver, but sometimes wonder! Maybe we are just like flowers, we live and we die! Who has ever returned to tell us for sure that there is this wonderful place called heaven waiting for us!!?? If God does exist, why does he let so young a child suffer when the child cannot understand what is going on! I think, enjoy what life you have now because life is too short to take a chance on! yes it is sick! Now, the fact that God is a 'killer', as in the old testament, is a curious subject.But, as I see it, God is God, and He can do whatever the hell He wants.And it says as much in the new testament when someone asks Him why He did something that seemed cruel.He asked the man 'do you question the one who created you',.Something like that. If God made me a slave, would I rather be dead or stay alive with the hope of gaining favor at some point. Or would I prefer death and nothingness to life? The law needs to be obeyed ,John, . These people broke it by killing ,it is one of the ten commandments. Do we know if they intended to kill? Or what? Silvana, I think, enjoy what life you have now because life is too short to take a chance on!Yes, Elfrida put it well yesterday. She wrote As atheists we are responsible to each other, not some magicRather lovely, don't you think? The article says they've been charged with first-degree murder which implies that the authorities think they intended to kill doesn't it? I have no idea what they were thinking. Not to take away from Elfrida, but how can one 'celebrate the wonder of each individual human being' while thriving in a country who's military complex has snuffed out Iraqi civilians in the hundred of thousands ?...I know I can't do it and sleep easy. Okay then, then they killed it intentionally, according to the judgement handed down by the court. Yes John,elfrida has said it true I think. 'not some majic man in the sky' lets love each other now and enjoy what life we have! tks John! Now, the fact that God is a 'killer', as in the old testament, is aCurious subject??? I always felt a certain alignment with Dawkins semi-tongue-in-cheek description of the old desert despot: The God of the Old Testament is To be clear, my reference to "above comments" was to Silvana and John. Don't want to confuse people. The Holy Spirit is not given to churches ,sects,or groups. It is given to individuals with a promise to teach them all things. Cults emerge when one or more people claim to have more of a connection to God than others in the group and claim entitlement to be blindly followed. In the first church, their was a hierarchy, though not one that could not be challenged by each individual. All other churches since then are denominations, including Catholics, which means they are divided from the first church, not included because there is no division in God. This is not to say that participants within a denomination can not receive the Holy Spirit from hearing the Word. But the church building struc... I say I'm a believer because I feel there has to be some point to our existence. But then I hear stories like this, a baby being starved and beaten to to death for not saying a word. I read and watch the news, all the atrocities being committed in the name of God. Then I think, if there really is a God how can he let this happen to innocents, men, women, children; because they don't worship God the way they do. There are Bible verses that say God is a jealous God and worship of him comes before family, the ones we are told to love and respect. My belief is very shaky. I say I'm a believer because I feel there has to be some point to our existence.I don't mean to get personal with you tany, but I wanted to use your statement as an example. This is basically saying that someone is creating a fantasy life because they don't like the way reality is. If I were to think "anyone doing a serious research of the bible will always conclude what a pile of lies it is" I would be very secure in my thought, but the reality is quite different. It doesn't matter what you WANT to believe, no matter how comforting it is. In other words, I can think up a comforting version of god and an afterlife based on what I think would be fair, logical, sensible, and... Actually, Christianity,not religion, does offer something more, eternal life and purity of soul. Two things unattainable by every man who has walked the planet so far. I'd say that, without the possibility of eternal life, we are pretty much wasting our time here. Actually, Christianity,not religion, does offer something more, eternalExcept one man , of course. I'd say that, without the possibility of eternal life, we are pretty much wasting our time here.So your argument is that everything in this life is meaningless without the promise of a reward of an eternal afterlife. I would think that with that type of thinking you'd be actively seeking to end this temporary life with it's endless temporary, non-eternal rewards to enter this imagined eternal afterlife. Why waste your time here when it seems your real goal is the supposed afterlife. Aren't you the one who is wasting your time here. I've got news for you. I, and the atheists I know, enjoy this short ride through time. Believe it or not, the acknowledgment of this finite lif... At, I totally agree with you! that is what I am trying to say, that THIS life is too short to waste on adoring something that is a myth! Love each other and enjoy life, because it's the only one you have! Good luck convincing the 13 million children in the US who go to bed every night without a meal of your precious and wonderful life, George Bailey. @katsteevns And your point is? Your life can only be enjoyed or appreciated relative to your economic status. Your life can only be enjoyed or appreciated relative to your economic status.While I grant you that I'd rather be rich than poor, it has no relevance about the quality or enjoyment of life. We all know plenty of examples of people that have nothing that are happy and well adjusted and people who have plenty who are miserably unhappy. But to look at the state of the planet as a whole and see the magnitude of oppression, disease, and starvation going on, 'plenty of examples' just doesn't cut the mustard. wow Kat! be kind! everyone has a right to say thier piece! So I should be miserable because there is suffering in the world? I acknowledge the suffering and do what I can to help. That has no bearing on an individual's ability to enjoy the life they have in spite of others pain and suffering. You have to determine what you can do to help and get on with your life. So get off your high horse and realize that whether or not I meet your standards is immaterial. You may wish to don the mantle of the martyr for the ills of the world but go piss and moan elsewhere. If you don't have practical measures to employ it seems you're simply wasting your time. lol at! way to go! That is just my point. If each of the millions upon millions of deprived and destitute individuals on the planet has the same value that you place on this child,( assuming you would have stepped in front of the proverbial bullet for this child, if you could have), then why are we wasting our time talking and acting on anything but 'practical measures'? Don't be shy. What in the hell are you talking about???? last night poor John got itn tonight it's your turn at!! lol. I thought that might go over your Mohawk. jeeez! I am a red head and irish! what exscuse do you have kat!! "being a christian"? I'm Irish as well. Family's from Cork. You mean my excuse for being a dumb-ass? Redheads generally make me melt into my shoes, so be gentle please.() well I am from dublin originally. No, exsuse for being a bitch! leave people alone, they are all entitled to thier own opinion, you don't have to fight, go for the throat! people on here are pretty good, be kind! isn't that the 'christian' way!!! OIC,,Thanks for your concern. I will keep it in mind. I don't think AtlLiberal feels threatened. I may be wrong. Threatened by you. Ha! But you are getting very tiresome. And I have a low threshold for trolls. If you care to have an intelligent conversation that's fine. If not, I would have no regrets in shutting you out. Your choice. I am that bad,huh? You may be right. Don't flatter yourself. You're not bad, just sad. See ya! |
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