 TheCatWhisperer says: He gave Fenn concurrent two-year and 18-month sentences, but he will be free in eight weeks after serving eight months in prison awaiting sentence. Dr Michele Elliott, director of Kidscape said the decision had left her "lost for words".This guy & his accomplice deserves to be shot. I'm sick and tired of child rapists getting next to nothing for their crimes. And him thinking she was 16 made rape acceptable? Ye gods. Yeah... apparently, if you *think* (read: wish after the fact) that they are 16, it's not so bad.. Hey, good to know that a British girls' lifetime of pain & misery due to being raped at 10 years old is only worth 10 months in prison. Guess where I won't raise my daughter.. I shouldn't talk shit about Briton though.. some guy here (In Nova Scotia) only got like 3 months for molesting a 7 year old over a 7 month time period. 3 months.... THREE... fuck. My recommendation...20 to life. 20 to life for the rape & another 5-10 years for lying to the court in such an obviously contemptible matter, I'm sorry there's no fucking way you can mistake a 10 year old for a 16 year old... I can accept mistaking a 16 year old for an 18 year old, but not 10 for 16. And regardless, as Wiccan said: "And him thinking she was 16 made rape acceptable"?? 1. rape should never be acceptable. 2. there are other factors that weigh in this day and age. 3. Castrate him. 4. Watch how much rape starts to decline. castration probably would do the trick, just make sure there's alot of media coverage on that particular ruling, so those freaks know that they're finally starting to get what they deserve This ruling is sick. I'm starting to think castration is a good idea. Chemical castration has been tried in some European countries. There was that infamous case of a chemically castrated man raping and murdering a small girl within weeks of his release from custody. In South Africa rape used to be (under the Apartheid government) punishable by death. Various women's groups lobbied against this because in order to secure a conviction, with such a severe consequence, the victims themselves were grilled to the point of re-victimized in court. Also, rapists, they felt, fearful of being caught, would tend to kill their victims rather than risk releasing them and being identified later. I think life in prison should mean just that - to the last breath. correction: re-victimization Very interesting context michelle. I guess it shows you have to find the right balance -- I believe the balance lies a lot closer to death than to 10 months. True with the balance and the fallout of twisted individuals , its an age old idea that has as you pointed out michelle that it sometimes makes matters worse. But if these people who commit crime or who are planning on committing crime had a good reason to think twice, or even three times before they acted upon their urges wouldn't that slow things down? There are allot of people on death row already, but our jails are just filling up to the point that criminals have just become a number and a way to make money (read about illegals and bonds) . So until there is something or the laws are really enforced instead of the lip service that many are given will are going to have these sick crim... What does her age or how old she looks have to do with anything? The sex wasn't consensual, so this isn't just a case of statutory rape, but of rape - period. That judge should be fired, voted out, or however you get rid of judges. The judge said in sentencing he faced a moral dilemma asIf the judge in this case thinks THIS is the crime, I'd like to know from where did he get his law degree? Too many judges are not doing their jobs! They need to be held accountable. Well I'm not trying to pin anything on the girl or saying the guy doesn't need more years, but hasn't anyone notice that all young girls are wearing a kind of slut wear. These skimpy little dresses are everywhere and I don't even see an advertisement that doesn't show a sex ad. Plus thanks to Paris Hiltion, Britny Spears and others the dumb blond super thin super sex and super partier model is exactly what girls are expected to be. hasn't anyone notice that all young girls are wearing a kind of slut wear.In England? They really don't dress like this prominently in the UK to my knowledge, and the celebrities you've noted don't have the influence on British girls like they do on American girls. Dna, "slut wear" isn't an invitation to sex, nor is it an invitation for rape. especially when the so called "slut wear" is on a 10 year old. Now, don't get me wrong, I agree (and pretty sure I have comments in previous posts making this point) that kids these days dress way too provocatively, and that by letting their kids dress like this, parents are attracting the wrong kind of attention to their children. But that still does not mean it is excusable when it (rape, sexual assault, harassment, etc) happens. I agree with ya Mush. We gotta be careful what our kids see, hear and wear. It is kind of hard these days to even FIND clothing for young people that isn't based on flaunting their bodies. But- then again, even in the high-collared Victorian era, rapists probably said something like,"Well, if she hadn't been showing her ankles.." No there is no excuse for rape - ever.No- it is never the victim's fault. Yes I think castration is a good idea. At the same time though, by not using safe boundaries with our kids- girls and boys alike, and not using proper restraint with the things which we as a society chose to hear, see, buy and wear, we are exacerbating the problem.HELLO!-why does nobody ever ... We gotta be careful what our kids see, hear and wear.I agree, as long as we aren't going a little over the edge on that. (I'm not pointing at you, rv, just making a point). I think even more important than controlling/moderating what our kids see, hear, wear, eat, etc.. is talking to them about why we don't want them to play "Manhunt 2" or wear that skirt that is too short, or listen to music that is racist/demeaning to women, etc. Or if they do wish to listen to it, then at least make sure they understand what is wrong with it, get them to explain what they like bout it (then maybe introduce them to alternatives that meet their likes, but leave out the objectionable cont... dna, what does "slut wear" have to do with rape? I never said rape is exusable but so many girls out there are just wearing these small napkins for dresses with words like "cock master" on them if a rapist is nearby thats going to attract them. And why do nuns, 3 year-olds, coma patients, etc. get raped? Were they all wearing napkins for dresses, too? If rape isn't excusable, then why are you even bringing up what people wear? It has nothing to do with someone forcing you to have sex. How many times must it be said that rape is about POWER, not sex. I hope you're never on a beach with just shorts on and no shirt, because you might attract a rapist, too. :/ Ok, I somewhat have to agree with DNA here.. again Rape is never excusable. EVER. But rape IS about sex (it is more about power, but sex definitely plays a role...). Too many young kids are wearing close that I fell are just too .... ... er... sexually suggestive? I suppose that'll work. A friend of mine and I were in Blockbuster a few weeks back & this couple and their two young daughters walked in, the girls were wearing miniskirts (very, very mini) and tube tops. They were likely about 11-12. I've seen this kind of thing many times. And it astounds me. Why do they wear these clothes? To attract attention, because that is the cool fashion their idols are wearing, etc. I've seen y... Rape should never be excused, regardless of what is worn. Kids now do wear allot of trashy clothes, its not really and 10 year olds fault though. Do they really understand what kind of danger and message they are portraying? Not really, I don't really think a 10 year old is capable of that. But of course we are teaching (f'ing dumbasses) children about sex ed at a very young age now. If the adults would take a little more responsibility for their own children we just might see a little different behavior in them. Overall, we have caused our won problems and now since a little kid was a target we are crying about it. Moving forward, make an example out of anyone who is willing to commi... Why do they wear these clothes? To attract attention, because that is the cool fashion their idols are wearing, etc.Why? Because their spineless parents can't say "no." Because it's easier to give into the whining of "I want to look like the other girls" than set a better standard of behavior. Because they're too lazy/repressed to sit down and explain to the young girl about the sexual message that's being sent. Because it's too much trouble for the adults to buck the trend. The way young girl are dressing now (which I agree is too mature for their ages, and too sexually suggestive) and rape are two different issues. To mix the two is very misleading. This is not a cause and effect relationship. People who rape will rape regardless of what their intended victim is wearing. The fact that some people are even mixing these two ideas together is the reason why this asshole got off with a slap on the wrist. The judge is thinking the same way you (cat whisperer and dna) are thinking: "well I HAVE seen some ten year olds that look 16, so I can understand where this guy is coming from." Rape is FORCING SOMEONE TO HAVE SEX, not just being attracted to someone. I'... Why do they wear these clothes? To attract attention, because that is the cool fashion their idols are wearing, etc. Why? Because their spineless parents can't say "no." Because it's easier to give into the whining of "I want to look like the other girls" than set a better standard of behavior. Because they're too lazy/repressed to sit down and explain to the young girl about the sexual message that's being sent. Because it's too much trouble for the adults to buck the trend. - wiccantexan Good for you! Exactly! They don't get that by bringing up how someone is dressed is STILL blaming the victim for what the RAPIST did...when responsibility should be divided up between the RAPIST (gettin... Oh yea, one more thing: I'm 27 now, and biker shorts were really popular when I was 10. EVERYONE around the U.S. were wearing biker shorts (mothers, fathers, grandparents, children, etc.). For those that don't know what they are, they're really tight shorts that bikers wear because they are comfortable and help you ride with speed (less clothing). Anyway, the point is that they're VERY form fitting (sometimes embarrassingly so if men are wearing them). My body was pretty mature at a young age, I never went through a "shaped like a boy" phase, so I would get a lot of UNWANTED attention from waaaay older guys when I wore those shorts. But I stopped wearing them on my own because I was unco... Jdfodio said:I disagree. Given the choice between someone they are attracted to and someone they are not, who do you think they will choose? It's not like a rapist says.. I feel like raping & then goes out & rapes the first thing he/she sees. There are triggers for a rapist just like anyone else. The trigger can be anything from the urge comes on.. or they see something they "want". The trigger can easily be seeing someone dressed in provocative wear. Now, I'm not blaming the victim. Saying that I am is just mean. What I'm sayin... Well, according to dna and cat whisperer, I should've probably kept my mouth shut because it would attract this guy. And if he had raped me, then it would've been partially my fault because my voice was just too damn "sexy" for him to resist.I didn't say that at all. Stop putting words in my mouth & spinning my words to fit your scenario. My point has simply been that there are some easy things we can do to reduce the chance a predator might attack our kids. I have never stated that it is in any way the victims fault. Question: If a girl dresses provocatively, is it ok for a guy to be attracted? IMO, people should be able to wear whatever they want, without the fear of ... I disagree. Given the choice between someone they are attracted to andI can tell that you aren't a rapist and haven't been around rapists, because you have no idea how their minds work. I'm currently working on obtaining my Master's in Forensic Psychology (psychology as it applies to the legal system, including work with abnormal psych and criminology) and have worked closely with people convicted of rape. Let me tell you, the repeat offenders (both pedophiles and not) are very forthcoming as to why th... I know these are two very different scenarios... but I think you can see the similarities in the way we think about the two.No, I don't see the similarities here at all. As you already pointed out, comparing airport screenings to saying that a child is provoking rapists with her clothing is like comparing apples to rocks. Yes, in both situations, we're trying to prevent something from happening, but the motivations of the attackers in these situations are VERY DIFFERENT. That's what you aren't understanding. A terrorist's motivation isn't the same as a rapist's. A rapist is not attacking the girl because of her clothing. Never has a r... I didn't say that at all. Stop putting words in my mouth & spinning my words to fit your scenario. -Cat WhispererI didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I know that you didn't literally say that it would be my fault for having a "sexy" voice. I'm talking about your tendency to view the rapist's triggers as an external thing (being attracted to a child's clothing) vs. an internal thing (the rapist is trying to control his environment). For the men, a sexually dressed anything is advertisement to us. Why? Because the majority of men are Visual creatures. There is a link between sexual or provocative dressed persons, look at nature for sexual advise. Animals will "pimp" themselves up or around to attract the other sex. It isn't the child that is at fault, because they aren't very aware of the message that is being sent. The parents like mrs wicantexan pointed out have no backbone... There is a realm that accepts this kind of behavior and welcomes it at that young of an age, it should wait until later on in life where that individual understands more about what they are doing with their body. Maybe then we would see a true change in society? I think the little girl just simply wanted to be attractive and she did attract someone who does not have POWER to control his mind or has different chromosomes like xyy Its a sick world we live in. The judge should be castrated too. Given the choice between someone they are attracted to and someone they are not, who do you think they will choose? It's not like a rapist says.. I feel like raping & then goes out & rapes the first thing he/she sees.Yes, in a majority of cases they do. The sexual attraction is generally more about control, which excites them. They see a vulnerable target and go after it. THAT is what they're attracted to. Given the choice between someone they are attracted to and someone they Yes, in a majority of cases they do. The sexual attraction is generallyWiccan, thank you for making my point with less words (I'm still working on that lol). Wiccan, do you study psychology or sociology? You seem to know more than the average person about how a rapist's mind works. Jdfodio, I am the daughter of a psychiatric social worker who dealt with this type of individual, plus I am an avid reader who likes to peruse psychological studies. I've always been fascinated with how the human mind works. Question:IMO, a person can't control what he or she finds attractive, but it's the reaction to the attraction that determines whether that attraction crosses the line into sexual harrassment or rape. For example, there are plenty of men who are sexually attracted to young girls (teens and younger). Is this right? That depends on each individual's value system. But what is wrong to me is finding someone attractive (for whatever reason) and then forcing them to engage in sexual behavior against his or her will by using either implicit or explicit threats, physical force, ignoring no's, etc... plus I am an avid reader who likes to peruse psychological studies. I've always been fascinated with how the human mind works.Same here.  Discovering the motivations of a person (or a group) really helps us uncover the cause of, and maybe a solution to, a problem. It's not enough to just look at the surface of a problem and throw a band-aid on it. Knowledge is power, as they say.How did your parent handle the work? Did your mom or dad bring the work home, so to speak? I'm hoping this doesn't happen to me, because I'm strongly affected by a lot of what I see/hear from these people. How did your parent handle the work? Did your mom or dad bring the work home, so to speak?She had 27 years in that field. Didn't so much bring her work home as she did share her experienced insights on why/how people do what they do. Her main clientele were drug addicts and paranoid schizophrenics. |
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