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6-18-2008 9:40 AM
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ratilfar says:
His ignorance is outstanding. An encroaching flood is not the same as a devastating hurricane in coastal area followed by flood and fire in a big city. But hey, them negroes don't deserve better. Hope his Lardness never gets trapped in such a situation.
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6-18-2008 10:15 AM
righthand
It's NOT disturbing that this bigot believes this.

It IS disturbing that so many accept his bilge as true!!!

On the other hand. This ignoramus could win the presidency for OBAMA!!! Americas would be forced to declare themselves still to be RACISTS or vote for Obama. (Or not vote at all.) So bring it on.

Am I mad or delusional? Or both? Don't all rush together.
6-18-2008 10:17 AM
ratilfar
It IS disturbing that so many accept his bilge as true!!!
Exactly!
6-18-2008 10:34 AM
Socratoad
What a despicable excuse for a human being. I would not piss on him if he was on fire .... and that would make me a "Good Samaritan" for all of humanity.
6-18-2008 10:42 AM
tabsey
And people like him would stop women's choice. He is a prime case for retrospective abortion.
6-18-2008 11:16 AM
righthand
Or coitus interuptus for Senior would have saved him a lot of shame. Who wants to be remembered as the father of the most unpopular president in memory.
6-18-2008 2:27 PM
ratilfar
I got to wonder why Rush hates America so much? Isn't NOLA an American city full of American citizens? I guess that is the point, only certain people qualify as Americans, the rest....
6-18-2008 4:00 PM
wiccantexan
I don't see people trapped like rats in an un-air-conditioned, ill-equipped, battered stadium waiting for days for basic supplies and aid. I don't see people trapped because their mayor didn't use a battalion of buses early enough to get them out of harm's way. I don't see.... well, you get the picture.

But I don't see Rush getting the picture.
6-18-2008 11:26 PM
masbury
The more I think on this, the more ridiculous it seems. Limbaugh compares incidents that affected millions to one that displaced thousands. He compares a major city, with an inner city like any major city, to Cedar Rapids, a city of maybe 120,000. He compares people stranded by the government without food or power in a sports arena to people who could mostly find lodging with friends and neighbors. He compares a place where food was simply not available except in abandoned stores, where it lay spoiling, to a town that still has open supermarkets within walking distance. He compares a city with a missing police force and tardy calls to the National Guard, to a much smaller one with all p...
6-19-2008 4:39 AM
jmjoness
I still don't see how you can tie race into this.. I realize that comparing these two events was ignorant and rediculous, but he did not mention race in his comments. Even though it was a bad comparison, it still doesn't change the facts. The people of New Orleans fell into complete depravity after the hurricane, and relied on the government to the point of absurdity. They obviously weren't responsible for the tragedy happening, but they were responsible for the way they handled it, which was nothing short of appalling. He did make fun of the victims, which was wrong too, but he sure didn't make racial implications as far as I can tell.
6-19-2008 9:42 AM
ratilfar
Who where the bulk of the victims in Katrina: Black.

Iowa: White

Saying that some are the "real" Americans means that the "other" are not. You got to read between the line, it is the only way to spot the dog whistle politics here.

As for relaying on the goverment. They where trapped inside the city and when many tried to flee, they where barred by cops from nearby parishes. No different than the folks in California that lost their homes in the wildfires last year. They also depended on the goverment for just about everything.
6-19-2008 11:27 AM
papananook
"but he sure didn't make racial implications as far as I can tell."...
JEEBUS, Joness, have you ever listened to His Lardness? (i like that) He does this all the time--using oh-so-subtle racism and not-so-subtle bigotry to appeal to his base audience of ignorant 'Murricans who just lap this crap up, 'cuz it appeals to their own sordid racism and lower instincts. Then he wraps it in the flag and calls it highly intelligent (Duh..Ditto!)and makes his audience all proud and feeling smart. What a propaganda master but a despicable subhuman douche bag. His Lardness...hahahaha!
6-19-2008 11:42 AM
ratilfar
My moral outrage meter is at it's all time high, which means my powers of sarcasm are unstoppable.
6-19-2008 1:29 PM
masbury
Indeed, the cops were gone, the neighbors were gone, the food was gone, there was no help but government and government didn't deliver. If my grandma was drowning in a nursing home, I'd be screaming. If my baby didn't have formula, and there was no way to get to an open store, I'd be looting. If the cops were gone and my family was threatened, I'd get out the shotgun. Wouldn't you? And we'd call it normal, maybe even heroic.

But if a black man does it, it's different.

For if there is one thing most of white America cannot abide, ever, it is an angry black man.
6-19-2008 2:09 PM
Socratoad
Very well said masbury.
Thank you
6-19-2008 3:30 PM
jmjoness
Hmm, you're probably right about Limbaugh. Everyone seems to be saying the same thing about him. To be honest I've never really listened to him much, so I couldn't tell personally. As for the comparison masbury made, if a white man went around raping and pillaging and killing people, I would personally find it just as offensive as I would a black man doing it. Now, if you're trying to feed your family the best way you can, and you're trying to defend yourself, that's obviously a different story. Honestly, New Orleans was scary in my opinion, because it shows what would happen around America if a widespread disaster hit. Chaos.
6-19-2008 7:08 PM
sillysam
Libs bring race into everything. Jeesh. It is not about race. It is about people being able to fend for themselves. Since when did we become a Governent with people, instead of a people with a government?
6-19-2008 7:09 PM
sillysam
Righthand, did you actually say that if Americans don't vote for Obama the socialist that they are still racists? Wow. Gotta love the libs. Don't agree with them you must be a bigot.
6-19-2008 7:16 PM
masbury
But, ss, New Orleans people had no way to fend for themselves! They were immobilized, no way to get anywhere, without food and water.
Limbaugh's comment is a classic case of ethnocentric blindness - as if to say, "Surely their situation is not so different from mine that they could have done something like I would do. Why don't they act like me?"
6-19-2008 9:21 PM
jmjoness
Masbury, it's understandable that they were immobilized. It's understandable that they were without means of fending for themselves. WHAT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE IS RAPE, MURDER, STEALING AND GENERAL DEPRAVITY. The Government can be blamed because they were corrupt, but don't blame the "poor victims", they had nothing to do with it. Right.
6-19-2008 9:24 PM
ratilfar
Wait, how many people did that, in a city of hundreds of thousands? I would also argue that many of those reports where exaggerated due to their shocking nature. I remember during Hugo (1989) that nearby stores and shopping centers were looted, but nobody in my neighborhood did or anyone I knew ended up with a new TV set.
6-19-2008 10:29 PM
masbury
jm, of course you're right, and of course, I agree. But
1) indeed, those stories were greatly exaggerated. The stories of rapes and murder from the Dome all proved to be untrue, every single one.
2) N.O. is a city of half a million people with an historically complex crime problem. When Katrina hit, the police force disappeared, and many of them never returned. Now guess what, a city with a crime problem, minus its police, minus much of its neighborhood population, is still going to be a city with a crime problem. How many people does it take to make murder headlines? Only a handful. How many murderers were there before? Probably more. What an insult it is to the good people of that city...
6-20-2008 1:40 AM
jmjoness
Agreed.
6-20-2008 4:07 PM
BitDrifter
Ah modern racism at its best. The article writer just assumed that Rush was talking about Black people vs White people. The article writer obviously thinks only black people "[wave] guns at helicopters... [run around] shooting cops... [and rape] people on the street."

The modern racist sees race where ever he/she looks, and typically they look down on those races, not with hate but pity, they see them as little more than wounded animals that they need to save because they can't save themselves. They subscribe to race related stereotypes and apply them everywhere. Further the modern racist has absolutely no idea they are a racist, they actually believe they are combating it, but in truth th...
6-20-2008 4:23 PM
ratilfar
Nice flip, but it won't work. Rush knew exactly what he was saying and we know what he was saying. Don't try to dump it on those who see it for what it is and try to combat it. Your argument is completely illogical.
6-20-2008 4:52 PM
BitDrifter
we know what he was saying.
Of course you do...
6-20-2008 5:19 PM
jmjoness
The modern racist sees race where ever he/she looks, and typically they look down on those races, not with hate but pity, they see them as little more than wounded animals that they need to save because they can't save themselves. They subscribe to race related stereotypes and apply them everywhere. Further the modern racist has absolutely no idea they are a racist, they actually believe they are combating it, but in truth they are perpetuating it with their racist assumptions.
THANKYOU. People completely forget the fact, too, that there were poor white victims in New Orleans as well (I know some). You would have to be looking for racism to find it in Limbaugh's speech, but ev...
6-20-2008 5:32 PM
ratilfar
Then why make the comparison at all and denigrate the people of NOLA that way. The vast majority of the victims where black, and all the images that we saw of the disasters showed that. Talking about the obvious, that this race bating at it's veiled worse does not make one racist.
6-20-2008 7:54 PM
jmjoness
Personally I agree that the comparison was a mistake. Why couldn't he just say "Good job Iowa and Illinois, keep it goin'!". He certainly didn't need to make a comparison to Katrina to do that.
6-20-2008 8:07 PM
ratilfar
We can at least agree on that. For the record jmjones, if I sound like I'm trying to sweep the room with a shotgun, thats just my way of expressing myself. I've grown some in this forum. Not your fault, nothing to do with you, just saying.

And I can see where your coming from.
6-21-2008 5:03 AM
jmjoness
Iowa/illinois=white and NOLA = black. That's the logic I'm seeing put forward here.
6-21-2008 12:27 PM
pokkets
righthand:
"On the other hand. This ignoramus could win the presidency for OBAMA!!! Americas would be forced to declare themselves still to be RACISTS or vote for Obama."
the media."
Look at the U.S. Economy.
Do the Republicans really want to be holding the reins when it crashes?
That's a job for the Democrats.
Look at the advantages in this scenario.
The Republicans can lose the Presidency, and still pull strings. They have the money and the connections.
Obama is elected.
The economy hits the point of no return, due to account reconciliation, tension with China when they suggest calling in their loans, due to an unspecified as yet 'incident' and manipulation of the financial market by cor...
6-21-2008 1:02 PM
pokkets
The effect on public opinion of every statement made by politicians this election year is part of the overall program of public manipulation through the media, and false information. Limbaugh is subtly using the politics of fear. he's just can't realize who he's working for.
Fear can have it's place, It can provoke us into action. It can pump the adrenaline to help us escape or repel a genuine threat, but when it makes us deaf to our conscience, it is our worst enemy. Death is an instant. Fear can choke us for a lifetime.
The problem with the philosophy
'The one that dies with the most toys wins,'
is that there are too many people who will be happy with nothing less than all of the toys
Wa...
6-21-2008 10:23 PM
masbury
Smoke: You can't compare flood victims in New Orleans to flood victims in Iowa without comparing black people to white people. For instance, in N.O.'s 121 public schools, 90.3% of the students are black. And black people are, as a group, poorer that the white people there, which means black people were concentrated in the poorest districts. In most waterside towns, the poorest neighborhoods are the ones on the lowest ground - certainly the case in N.O.

In Iowa, by contrast, black people comprise less than 3% of the population.
6-21-2008 11:09 PM
jmjoness
What about Illinois? Anywho, who really knows what he was doing when he made that comparison. Liberals will obviously assume that it was race baiting, personally I feel it's a run of the PC madness again, but maybe that's just me.
6-21-2008 11:11 PM
jmjoness
Overall I really don't think he was putting as much thought into his comment as we are, I don't think speakers should have to go over every word they say with a toothpick to make sure there isn't anything that could possibly be construed as racist.
6-24-2008 4:35 PM
masbury
But here's the beef: Perhaps the most common characteristic of ethnocentrism is refusing to cut any slack to people who are of a different culture than you. In holding up Katrina survivors as a bad example, he speaks without personal knowledge of what they're going through, he ignores how much very much more critical the Katrina survivor's situation was than the Iowans', and he stereotypes a population by the news accounts about a few.
If it isn't racism, it shares so much of the same whiny stereotyping as to be indistinguishable.
6-24-2008 7:07 PM
jmjoness
Masbury everyone in this country stereotypes. It doesn't matter if you're liberal, conservative, enviromentalist, republican democrat whatever. Everyone stereotypes and generalizes. I don't agree with it, I think it's terribly wrong, and a major fault in our society. At the same time, however, it is NOT racism. You should see this article that sillysam clipped last night, it had to do with Obama and his supporters turning everything in to a race nightmare. I thought it had a lot of merit to it.
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