a very damaging claim being enthusiastically pushed by the wingnuts and the more extreme Obama-haters among the Hillaryites.damaging? - Yes, if true. If not true, why would it be damaging? enthusiasticlly pushed? - No one is "enthusiastic" about the racism of Obama's grandmother. I guess it does not serve the writer's point to assume people are genuinely outraged at the petty and cowardly tactic, thus 'enthusiasticlly pushed' gives him some a false point on which to spew his own hatred. wingnuts and the more extreme Obama-haters among the Hillaryites.Haters? wing-nuts? extreme? Perhaps they are ignorant. If so, make the case. These words make the entire point ... A clear example of the clip above. ...to suggest that those who will not vote for Obama are to emotionally immature to understand Obama's speech. I would be in hysterical laughter if this were not so typically vindictive and hateful. I have gone over the Obama quotation here. I think the record shows that much of the criticism of Obama's speech is unfounded and strains credulity, including the argument that Obama was slamming his grandmother. The argument that Obama was slamming whites when he referred to his grandmother as a "typical white person" is especially disingenuous, one that relies on selective quotation and memory. People who argue this hope you do not remember that Obama said his grandmother loved him and sacrificed for him, but was susceptible to the racial prejudices of the era she grew up in. A typical white person--vuln... the argument that Obama was slamming his grandmother.There is no such argument. The point is that he uses his grandmother's racism to turn the tables away from criticsm of his and his preacher's racism to white on black racism. Then he goes on to cite (after his speech on unity and national healing mind you) his grandmother's views are typical of white people. The argument is that he is avoiding the issue by using his grandmother to change the subject and his refusal to denounce his preacher without qualification and clarify that he, himself, is not racist. @ yanceducat * sigh * read the clip. "slamming" and "throwing under the bus" mean completely different things. When you throw someone under the bus it means you are highlighting faults in others in order to avoid answering for your own faults. He used his grandmother to avoid the issue of his refusal to address his pastor's racism earlier. I don't see how that's possible, given that evidence of Obama's racism is nonexistent (unless you apply Willhelm's bizarro logic that says that racism is transmitted like germs). The evidence for Wright's racism is pretty threadbare too I must say. (unless you apply Willhelm's bizarro logic that says that racism is transmitted like germs).That was funny, JK. I got a kick out of that. We've been through this before and I highly suspect you are being disingenuous at best, or lying. Readers can read this clip to see where Willhelm argues that anyone who likes anyone who likes James Hal Cone, who wrote a paragraph that said nasty things about white people, is a racist. You can judge the logic for yourself. Here is the clip where JK and I fleshed this out. I think it shows he is being dishonest. Oh good you beat me to the punch. Hopefully clippers will actually read. The clip even got a discussion POP by the way. I do not think the fact JK lies is anything new, however. By the way, JK., tell us again what your argument was on that clip. Something about Jefferson raped his slaves? Misrepresenting others' views? ad hominem? I forgot. I missed even hearing that Jefferson raped his slaves.Uhh...there's fairly strong evidence that Jefferson fathered children with Sally Hemings. And I don't see how consensual sex is possible in such a situation. Then it's against you to make a claim of him raping Blacks and then foolishly say the Constitution is not a racist Document when in fact it is just that. It's a lot of good things as well, but allowing slavery and Blacks counting as less than a whole person seems a tad racist to me!If you follow Willhelm's logic, anyone who endorses the Constitution or the Declaration of Independent is automatically a racist, just as anyone who likes James Hal Con... JK, I really do not think much of your clarity, but your comments on this thread are to an entirely different level of delusion. Reading the thread of the linked clip will prove you wrong to any rational person. There is no way I claim the simplistic crap you say I claim. It is beyond reproach. It is utterly confused and disingenuous. It can only be that you are a foolish liar trying to manipulate the discussion. Yance, this is what JK does. Notice, the discussion is not about Obama's racism, it is about a totally unrelated issue now. By the way, I remember now what JK's argument was. Obama is not a racist because Haggee supports Israel. Is that close? |
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