What you fail to realize is 1. Factcheck.org is a propaganda outfit started by an Obama associated group. 2. Most of the things you consider "lies" are advocated by the ideologues behind the bill. Have you heard or read their opinions about the "New Lives System" or the realities that exist in nations with government run healthcare. 3. Obama has revealed his intentions regarding healthcare, so have his associates. It's all out in the open. Everything listed as a lie is tied to the words of the administration. 4. You're right some of the framework is NOT in the healthcare bill. Much of it has already been passed in the Stimulus Bill.
You sure have an affinity for propaganda, lies, hate, and ...

What you fail to realize is 1. Factcheck.org is a propaganda outfit started by an Obama associated group. 2. Most of the things you consider "lies" are advocated by the ideologues behind the bill. Have you heard or read their opinions about the "New Lives System" or the realities that exist in nations with government run healthcare. 3. Obama has revealed his intentions regarding healthcare, so have his associates. It's all out in the open. Everything listed as a lie is tied to the words of the administration. 4. You're right some of the framework is NOT in the healthcare bill. Much of it has already been passed in the Stimulus Bill.
You sure have an affinity for propaganda, lies, hate, and ridicule. You seem like such a sweet person otherwise. lol

and just between u and me willhelm..........(lol) am not reall gaga over- well am not real happy with alot of the things obama's doing either..........so i just more or less question politics- etc. in general- it isn;t a left and right thing with me............my ex went right over the edge though with his little comment bout my maybe being a terrorist- because i feel that government should be accountable to it's citizens- and things of that nature......for example my frustration over not being able to replace my social security card- because my identification is expired- well...........that is thanks to the patriot act- grrrr.....you know - i may be on the road to getting the last piece of ...

and just between u and me willhelm..........(lol) am not reall gaga over- well am not real happy with alot of the things obama's doing either..........so i just more or less question politics- etc. in general- it isn;t a left and right thing with me............my ex went right over the edge though with his little comment bout my maybe being a terrorist- because i feel that government should be accountable to it's citizens- and things of that nature......for example my frustration over not being able to replace my social security card- because my identification is expired- well...........that is thanks to the patriot act- grrrr.....you know - i may be on the road to getting the last piece of paper work i need from alaska.........they will have to make an exception in my case- they said they might- they refused to listen to me last year around this time though........
anyways- big politics- boiling down to personal levels....and points inbetween..........lol- and clipping things of interest along the way........

and just between u and me willhelm..........(lol) am not reall gaga
over- well am not real happy with alot of the things obama's doing
either..........

It is not a Left or Right issue. It is not even a Republican vs Democrat issue. The issues regarding this administration are Libertarian/Constitution/Decency VS Authoritarian/anti-Constitution/Materialist evil. More Democrats are waking up every day. I see them in my own life. Strong, America loving Dems, who have rarely if ever voted Republican waking up to the fact that there is true evil and anti-Americanism in this administration. They praise Chavez and bash decent Americans fighting for Liberty. They involve themselves a...

and just between u and me willhelm..........(lol) am not reall gaga
over- well am not real happy with alot of the things obama's doing
either..........

It is not a Left or Right issue. It is not even a Republican vs Democrat issue. The issues regarding this administration are Libertarian/Constitution/Decency VS Authoritarian/anti-Constitution/Materialist evil. More Democrats are waking up every day. I see them in my own life. Strong, America loving Dems, who have rarely if ever voted Republican waking up to the fact that there is true evil and anti-Americanism in this administration. They praise Chavez and bash decent Americans fighting for Liberty. They involve themselves and support fascist dictatorships in South America, and refuse to stand on the side of Iranina citizens fighting the fascist regime in their country. It is about liberty, truth, and decency.

Ah yes, the old Ayers connection. Debunked but still useful.

See, doodleicious? This is why we need to either live or die, metaphorically speaking, on the hill of whether the issue matters or not. If it doesn't matter, then when the truth is proven you will resolve to remaining ignorant or boldface lies to try to protect your emotional well-being - like we see in respect to Ratbrain. It is why you should carefully respond to evidence and hold to the truth no matter what it is.
If you care about truth and decency, then the vile nature of the controlling idiots is all the more glaring.
Bill Ayers was a Charter member of the Weathermen. He was a terrorist. Obama was aware o...

Ah yes, the old Ayers connection. Debunked but still useful.

See, doodleicious? This is why we need to either live or die, metaphorically speaking, on the hill of whether the issue matters or not. If it doesn't matter, then when the truth is proven you will resolve to remaining ignorant or boldface lies to try to protect your emotional well-being - like we see in respect to Ratbrain. It is why you should carefully respond to evidence and hold to the truth no matter what it is.
If you care about truth and decency, then the vile nature of the controlling idiots is all the more glaring.
Bill Ayers was a Charter member of the Weathermen. He was a terrorist. Obama was aware of his connections with the weathermen. There is quite a bit of evidence Ayers authored Obama's book, 'Dreams From My Father'. BUT! That's not all. One of the other founding members of the Weathermen, Jeff Jones, had his hands in the Stimulus Bill, and serves as an Obama envoy to businesses on how to acquire Federal funds.

How many Weathermen founding members are you close to?

Thank-you for that insane raving, Wilhelm the Chickenhearted. Of course, you're dead wrong. Factcheck.org is a NON-PARTISAN, NON-PROFIT (yes, I know you're a demented little capitalist, and anything that doesn't turn a profit is, by definition, evil) orgasnization. It debunks the lies of EVERYONE in the political arena. The fact that there are more Right-Wing lies than Left-Wing lies is just due to the nature of the Right-Wing Beast. The Right-Wing is based on delusion and deception (things that you are a master of, Wilhelm the Chickenhearted), while the Left-Wing is based on Truth and Clarity.

If you support the Right Wing, you cannot help but be a liar, ...

Thank-you for that insane raving, Wilhelm the Chickenhearted. Of course, you're dead wrong. Factcheck.org is a NON-PARTISAN, NON-PROFIT (yes, I know you're a demented little capitalist, and anything that doesn't turn a profit is, by definition, evil) orgasnization. It debunks the lies of EVERYONE in the political arena. The fact that there are more Right-Wing lies than Left-Wing lies is just due to the nature of the Right-Wing Beast. The Right-Wing is based on delusion and deception (things that you are a master of, Wilhelm the Chickenhearted), while the Left-Wing is based on Truth and Clarity.

If you support the Right Wing, you cannot help but be a liar, because the entire conservative movement is about inventing a make-believe world, and trying to convince the world that world is real; all while denying the existence of the real world. The Right Wing are storytellers and masters of legerdemain and chicanery.

Anyone who thinks that FactCheck.Org is a Left-Wing organization is an idiot.

good to see "fact check" run down the true false comments made on health care revision...
however greater emphasis should have been brought to claim 317, that doctors can not make investments in affiliated pavilions of "money fountains"...
in the case of hospitals for profit which have become the mainstay of care.
theses institutions are truly based upon a "condo-office"
base whereby the doctors share in profit from the facility as well as reaping rewards for their services rendered.
one of the main problems of over-cost care being the
split in procedures to facets....such as x-ray plus the use of the room that the apparatus is setup in. absurd. people do not inquire on billing or procedu...

good to see "fact check" run down the true false comments made on health care revision...
however greater emphasis should have been brought to claim 317, that doctors can not make investments in affiliated pavilions of "money fountains"...
in the case of hospitals for profit which have become the mainstay of care.
theses institutions are truly based upon a "condo-office"
base whereby the doctors share in profit from the facility as well as reaping rewards for their services rendered.
one of the main problems of over-cost care being the
split in procedures to facets....such as x-ray plus the use of the room that the apparatus is setup in. absurd. people do not inquire on billing or procedure.
reason HCA was fined 146 million on over billing medicare...and that was a settlement of 5 cent on the dollar...plus the worst false claim that your personal doctor makes the decisions. false...the insurance companies make health decisions on a profit based quota system..how on earth does health care become situated in the political arena..? contributions & inside trading by the very people who are making determination of what health care should be. the real question is...why should their coverage be any different from the people that elect them...they are employees...constitutionally, we are the employers who are led and chased as lemmings to the sea.