 enbar says: UK intelligence sources report in the Times (London) that there will likely be a wave of resignations among high-level staff officers should the Bush administration decide to launch a military operation against Iran. Is this the same UK intelligence that Bush referenced when he talked about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Africa? Ah, no, it's not. Did you read the article? I read it. Like this part here, "a source with close ties to British intelligence said." I didn't see anywhere that it isn't the same British intelligence that claims Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa. Because that so-called "British intelligence" actually turned out to have been plagiarized off a student website, remember? No, it wasn't, but that is one of the popular myths. During the run up to Bush "The Bunglers" invasion of Iraq, British and international reporting was far more accurate than the cowed corporate media of the US. You're right, n2sooners, it was a student paper, not a website. The British government officially apologized for the plagiarism in February 2003. http://snurl.com/1b9k0 http://snipurl.com/1b9k4 But that still has nothing to do with their source for Saddam attempting to buy uranium from Africa. That source hasn't been made public. But that is beside the point, either way it is the same British intelligence which you refuse to believe when they say something you don't want to hear, but quote them as gospel when they say something you like. I didn't say I believed them "as gospel," but let's let that one go. The fact is, the difference between the two cases is pretty obvious. On the one hand you have an official intelligence report supplied by British services to the US that just happens, coincidentally, to support a plan that the Bush administration very badly wanted to put into action. Turns out the "official" intelligence was garbage. Fits with the overall picture of the Bush administration uncritically swallowing bad information when it supports their agenda. Here, on the other hand, you have an unsanctioned leak from inside UK intelligence services repeating something on the order of insider "conventional wisdom" about s... War with Iran is being planned and will happen. Get all the little kids some more of those plastic rifles, and guns.....so they can train properly for their future. Welcome to the 21st century bullshit......thank you Bush and Neocons! Okay, whatever you want to believe is fine by me. We were all wrong about Saddam and he sent one of his top people to Niger to negotiate trading oil for goats. BTW, my inside sources tell me that if a democratic is elected president, both military moral and reenlistment rates will go down. You got the old "democratic" wrong again!..... It goes like this.....a "democrat" will be elected president.....for the "democratic" party, and then we will see some progressive ideas and movement for the great nation! I'm not sure what your hangup is about the military and strong military leadership, but I kind of remember that FDR lead us through the second world war, and I kind of remember that he was a "democrat". Truth is, if there are elements in the military who are only willing to serve when one party is in power than they shouldn't be serving. It's the US Marine Corp not the Republican Marine Corp. n2sooners ... are you saying you actually think Saddam was building a nuclear bomb, and three years after the invasion we still haven't found the evidence? n2sooners seems to be a fan of Hannity's waiving the crumpled piece of paper, even though the official ISG report found nothing (never mind what Gaffen said the other day, he lied through his teeth). You see, if the foundations for the war are "faulty" then the whole enterprise is faulty and GASP! in Iraq maybe "wrong" and that is something that people like n2sooners do not want to face, it means that their beloved leaders made a mistake or worse lied to get the country to a war, and that is simply unacceptable! Don't you know that winning is a moral imperative, regardless of what your going to "win"? Victory or DEATH! They never said he actually made the purchase (although we did find a couple tons of partially enriched uranium we didn't know he had). They said he was TRYING to buy uranium from Africa. Fact is, he had delegates visit a number of countries in Africa more than a dozen of which produce uranium. And they suspect it was actually the Congo followed by South Africa that were his most likely targets for the purchase of uranium. Of course, the left would rather pretend this didn't happen and that Saddam was just a harmless, lovable, little furball who meant no one any harm and it was the big bad evil Bush who is to blame for anything and everything. Where did you find those tons of uranium? I would like to know, where they next to those old buried cans of forgotten industrial cleaner/chemicals weapons from before the 1991 war? As for Saddam, sure was a swell guy when he was gassing his own people with American and Soviet money. Harmless to his own folks no, to the U.S. yes. A monster for sure, but his sin was not the wanton murder of thousands (at least in the eyes of Washington), but in bitting the hand that fed him. If his acts where so offensive, why didn't Washington put a stop to Operation Condor, murder of thousands by Pinochet and the Argentinians military juntas, the Columbian Paramilitaries Guatemalan death squads and the Shah... There you go again n2sooners with the cute little images ("lovable furball"?). Anyone who questions the motivations of those in power is a treasonous bastard who is in love with the enemy. How much of an idiot do you have to be to think this way? The fact that I pointed out that some of the intelligence on which our decision to go to war was bad, and it was, and that some of the decision makers knew it was bad, which they probably did, doesn't mean I think Saddam was harmless. It doesn't take a whole lot of subtlety to see the difference, but apparently it's beyond you. |
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