I've refrained from commenting on my service because I know how you ignoramuses respond (see above). I know with a certainty that none of the above idiotic comments are accurate, and those posting same have never had the honor or courage to serve their country. You loathsome people take advantage of the freedoms your brothers and sisters are dying to preserve.

I actually pity you, as you will never know the satisfaction and sweetness of going in harm's way with your brothers, and will never know the deep pride of having served a country you love. You seem to resemble the little brown blobs that hang around ships at anchor when there is no tide running. You will bob your way through th...

I've refrained from commenting on my service because I know how you ignoramuses respond (see above). I know with a certainty that none of the above idiotic comments are accurate, and those posting same have never had the honor or courage to serve their country. You loathsome people take advantage of the freedoms your brothers and sisters are dying to preserve.

I actually pity you, as you will never know the satisfaction and sweetness of going in harm's way with your brothers, and will never know the deep pride of having served a country you love. You seem to resemble the little brown blobs that hang around ships at anchor when there is no tide running. You will bob your way through the waters of life with no direction and no meaning until you disintegrate, having had no useful purpose in the great scheme of things, other than feeding a few bottom feeders.

Cptenaud, it is incomprehensible how a jar head with combat experience can have the attitude you do. I suspect you support that bag of wind Murtha too. The only thing I can think of is you must have been a draftee, but I didn't think the Marines drafted during VN.

Just curious. Did you know a Randy Smith from Toledo OH? He served two tours in Nam and was my high school bud. He came home and died by a drug overdose, and when I knew him the strongest drug he ever did was beer. Randy had a black belt in Judo when I knew him in Toledo.

Finally, I respect you because you obviously walked through fire whether you volunteered for it or not. Thank you for your service.

I was a grad of the ...

Cptenaud, it is incomprehensible how a jar head with combat experience can have the attitude you do. I suspect you support that bag of wind Murtha too. The only thing I can think of is you must have been a draftee, but I didn't think the Marines drafted during VN.

Just curious. Did you know a Randy Smith from Toledo OH? He served two tours in Nam and was my high school bud. He came home and died by a drug overdose, and when I knew him the strongest drug he ever did was beer. Randy had a black belt in Judo when I knew him in Toledo.

Finally, I respect you because you obviously walked through fire whether you volunteered for it or not. Thank you for your service.

I was a grad of the Navy School of Underwater Swimmers in Key West before shipping out to WestPac. I was the ship's diver and the squadren EOD diver.

If you're a jarhead, you'll know what that means.

It is not hard to understand you PK. Most non combatants who wore a uniform and never saw the
reality of war. Talk big like John Wayne. He also was
a non combatant. He was also known to be gay.
Surprising what huff and puff people, really are hiding
from.

And I know you are a fraud and can prove it. Like most liars, they come up with stories that can not be backed up with the reality. You have made such a mistake.
pkronfield18
USS Brownson DD-868 1968

Mafish hagga mish mumpkin. Ente kelb.

Your statement made by you on this very clip. Now
the proof you are a liar. This taken from Navy records
on the ship you claim to have been on in 1968.

She continued to operate along the East Coast a...

It is not hard to understand you PK. Most non combatants who wore a uniform and never saw the
reality of war. Talk big like John Wayne. He also was
a non combatant. He was also known to be gay.
Surprising what huff and puff people, really are hiding
from.

And I know you are a fraud and can prove it. Like most liars, they come up with stories that can not be backed up with the reality. You have made such a mistake.
pkronfield18
USS Brownson DD-868 1968

Mafish hagga mish mumpkin. Ente kelb.

Your statement made by you on this very clip. Now
the proof you are a liar. This taken from Navy records
on the ship you claim to have been on in 1968.

She continued to operate along the East Coast and deploying to the Mediterranean with the 6th Fleet. Returning to Boston in 1967 for overhaul. Departing in June of 1968 for Guantanamo Bay, Cuba ending the year out in Newport, R.I.

http://www.south-pole.com/brownson.htm

Bye Bye pretend warrior.

When you're 60, pal, you forget dates, especially when they are over 30 years ago.

1967

September 1966 found the Brownson preparing for deployment to the Far East with Destroyer Squadron 20. From October 1966 until April 1967, she took part in a seven month cruise around the world. While on this trip, the Brownson proudly participated in the Combat Zone off the coast of Viet Nam while operating with the 7th Fleet. She provided naval gunfire support for allied ground operations, and also provided plane guard escort duty for carrier operation in the Gulf of Tonkin. The ship spent the first 20 days of February 1967 on the "Gunline" off the coast of South Viet Nam. She fired over 3200 rounds o...

When you're 60, pal, you forget dates, especially when they are over 30 years ago.

1967

September 1966 found the Brownson preparing for deployment to the Far East with Destroyer Squadron 20. From October 1966 until April 1967, she took part in a seven month cruise around the world. While on this trip, the Brownson proudly participated in the Combat Zone off the coast of Viet Nam while operating with the 7th Fleet. She provided naval gunfire support for allied ground operations, and also provided plane guard escort duty for carrier operation in the Gulf of Tonkin. The ship spent the first 20 days of February 1967 on the "Gunline" off the coast of South Viet Nam. She fired over 3200 rounds of ammunition in support of allied troops and the harassment of the enemy, in the area around the mouth of the Saigon River.

Ports of call on this cruise were: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii; Kaohsiung, Taiwan; Hong Kong; Subic Bay, Philippines; Singapore; Cochin, India; and Aden, in the Red Sea.

PK is a....Centurion:

Centurion tries to gain tactical advantage in battle by asserting that he is, or was at one time, in the military. He affects the brusque demeanor and clipped style of a drill sergeant, and intimidates opponents by sprinkling his messages with military verbiage and obscure acronyms. He reinforces weak arguments by constantly reminding other Warriors that he has “done his duty”, or “served his country”. Sometimes Centurion may even post pictures of military hardware or images of himself in fatigues brandishing a weapon. Centurion may actually have a military background, or he may just be a nut ...

PK is a....Centurion:

Centurion tries to gain tactical advantage in battle by asserting that he is, or was at one time, in the military. He affects the brusque demeanor and clipped style of a drill sergeant, and intimidates opponents by sprinkling his messages with military verbiage and obscure acronyms. He reinforces weak arguments by constantly reminding other Warriors that he has “done his duty”, or “served his country”. Sometimes Centurion may even post pictures of military hardware or images of himself in fatigues brandishing a weapon. Centurion may actually have a military background, or he may just be a nut case - no one really knows. Centurion loathes and is loathed by Weenie, Artiste and Fragile Femme. His natural ally is Troglodyte.

But if you have such a comment. Then I believe it is,
because you also have something to hide.

My biggest problem with filling out the request for the newsletter is because I keep my screen name separate from my real name. I do this because I am job hunting and I don't want my history to come up and bite me in the ass. I hope you can appreciate that and if you can't I am sorry for you.

I am not defending anyone. I don't care that much. If someone wants to pretend he is a soldier I don't care. If you want to pretend to 'know' people from their comments I don't care either. Consider this: Someones validity is proportional to the amount of sway they have on your opinions. What ...

But if you have such a comment. Then I believe it is,
because you also have something to hide.

My biggest problem with filling out the request for the newsletter is because I keep my screen name separate from my real name. I do this because I am job hunting and I don't want my history to come up and bite me in the ass. I hope you can appreciate that and if you can't I am sorry for you.

I am not defending anyone. I don't care that much. If someone wants to pretend he is a soldier I don't care. If you want to pretend to 'know' people from their comments I don't care either. Consider this: Someones validity is proportional to the amount of sway they have on your opinions. What words can change the nature of someone that doesn't wish to change?

Something about you, cptenaud, still strikes me as phony. No jarhead who saw action would talk like you and have the far left viewpoints (except maybe Lee Harvey Oswald or that fatass Murtha). I don't think you were ever a Marine. You may have been in the army, and you may have served in Nam, but your whine about your lost buddies (with no mention of how many gooks you killed as payback) tells me you were probably army and probably drafted.

I think it is you who fills the "Centurian" profile. I have never demanded proof from anyone about their service. Either they have done the honorable thing and served, or they didn't.

So... with all that battle, did you come out with a service ...

Something about you, cptenaud, still strikes me as phony. No jarhead who saw action would talk like you and have the far left viewpoints (except maybe Lee Harvey Oswald or that fatass Murtha). I don't think you were ever a Marine. You may have been in the army, and you may have served in Nam, but your whine about your lost buddies (with no mention of how many gooks you killed as payback) tells me you were probably army and probably drafted.

I think it is you who fills the "Centurian" profile. I have never demanded proof from anyone about their service. Either they have done the honorable thing and served, or they didn't.

So... with all that battle, did you come out with a service connected disability? Even 10% (like mine)? If so, describe your new VA ID card. I am a member of the VFW, and you should be too, as you are (presumably) a veteran of foreign wars. Describe your membership card and what post do you belong to.

Now, war hero, can you ID a buddy you fought with who can back up the veracity of your supposed combat duty?

You're so big on asking us to prove. Now how about you, big man?

Hey Rambo, my DAV card is silver, Life Member, TX 9 Chapter, member number 42009100816, seal of Disabled American Veterans on the upper left.

I did begin to register on your Veterans for America website quite some time ago, but quickly realized it was a leftist anti war scam and signed off. It's probably funded by MoveOn.

Now a little quiz on your M-16 with which, hopefully, you greased some gooks with before you started your whine. Your bolt can be field stripped down to how many components? What tool is commonly used for cleaning the gas discharge orifaces in said bolt? What happens if you fire the weapon without the retaining pin in the bolt? What is the function of green tip amm...

Hey Rambo, my DAV card is silver, Life Member, TX 9 Chapter, member number 42009100816, seal of Disabled American Veterans on the upper left.

I did begin to register on your Veterans for America website quite some time ago, but quickly realized it was a leftist anti war scam and signed off. It's probably funded by MoveOn.

Now a little quiz on your M-16 with which, hopefully, you greased some gooks with before you started your whine. Your bolt can be field stripped down to how many components? What tool is commonly used for cleaning the gas discharge orifaces in said bolt? What happens if you fire the weapon without the retaining pin in the bolt? What is the function of green tip ammo for this weapon? How many clicks of elevation on the standard M-16 sight equate with an 800 yd range? What is the USMC designation for your standard fragmentation grenade? Where did you go to boot camp, and what year/month? Who was your DI?

If you are so brilliant with your military dates as you claim to be, you will have no trouble answering this, Einstein.

And finally, you must have taken R&R in Bangkok. Name the number one favorite street in Bangkok favored by our troops on R&R from Nam, and for a very special recognition, name the bar there frequented by our Air America chums in the CIA.

All your questions are ridicules. Anyone can Google and get them. Plus I didn't have an M16. I was a sniper. But if you want that answer go to any of these sources.

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=M-16&btnG=Google+Search

As for R&R you had a choice of where to go. Japan was the top choice. I never made it because I spent my time in Danang getting fixed up from three separate wounds. I don't think you got R&R because you only did 20 days offshore in Vietnam.

If you really want proof. And proof is a two way street here. Then you and I can go to our VSOs in our area. Tell them the problem we have. And they can verify all we ...

All your questions are ridicules. Anyone can Google and get them. Plus I didn't have an M16. I was a sniper. But if you want that answer go to any of these sources.

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=M-16&btnG=Google+Search

As for R&R you had a choice of where to go. Japan was the top choice. I never made it because I spent my time in Danang getting fixed up from three separate wounds. I don't think you got R&R because you only did 20 days offshore in Vietnam.

If you really want proof. And proof is a two way street here. Then you and I can go to our VSOs in our area. Tell them the problem we have. And they can verify all we want to know about each other. You do trust your locale VA VSO don't you?

The other way is the DAV VSO. Were both life members. So they would be more then happy to help us out. And again , they are a very trust worthy Organization.

Choose your poison. I can go either way.

But don't try the VFA, or American legion bull. They do not have Veteran only status. That is why I don't join their groups. They are just beer hounds and bullshitters bragging about a war they never fought in.
Your better off joining the Moose lodge. Same shit different toilet.

So as Bush would say " Bring it on ".

The VFW is very strict - they demand a DD-214 proving service in a foreign war - before you can join. You still seem to disparage "20 days offshore Vietnam".

There lies the difference between us. 1) I am not embittered about my service. 2) I honor all servicemen and women, even the support jocks who never saw combat, and even the Air National Guard pilots who risked their lives each time they strapped on a Starfighter, 3) I respect and honor our elected President, and especially support him and the administration during this global conflict.

I disparage those who deserted the armed forces both during Nam and the present conflict. I disparage those who avoided the draft in Nam, and mos...

The VFW is very strict - they demand a DD-214 proving service in a foreign war - before you can join. You still seem to disparage "20 days offshore Vietnam".

There lies the difference between us. 1) I am not embittered about my service. 2) I honor all servicemen and women, even the support jocks who never saw combat, and even the Air National Guard pilots who risked their lives each time they strapped on a Starfighter, 3) I respect and honor our elected President, and especially support him and the administration during this global conflict.

I disparage those who deserted the armed forces both during Nam and the present conflict. I disparage those who avoided the draft in Nam, and most particularly those who fled to Canada.

And you claim to have been a sniper, but you were still trained on the M-16 in basic. The fact that you can't or won't answer those very simple questions on the M-16 keeps me doubting you, but they may be unfair questions as I have an AR-15 and use it regularly at my ranch. I wonder if you could have swam alone and at night into a minefield to disable a corridor for some of our buddies on an extraction mission? You see, we both have our dangers that just being in the service face. We basically lived and slept on top of many tons of high explosive, and regularly handled same as well as nuclear weapons. Maybe those years of close proximity to nukes prevented me from having kids? I dunno, but I don't whine about it. The common bond is we served, and we knew the danger and hardship in our teens and early 20's. The experience made us better men for it. I don't rue my service as you do. And your corrupted politics are a mystery to me.

This whole conversation seems pointless. We can all sit around and shoot the shit, throw a litttle testosterone around and bask in the glory of our days days in the service. In the end however it is still just shit. In the end we have all joined the ranks of the American armchair warrior. The difference would be in perception, how we perceive the war. I perceive it as a total waste of human life. No matter what we do or how long we stay Iraq will eventually fall apart. If you argue the point that a pull out would disrespect harm the moral our soldiers then I would argue that Serving multiple tours of duty, death and no real goals are already having the greatest affect on those two f...

This whole conversation seems pointless. We can all sit around and shoot the shit, throw a litttle testosterone around and bask in the glory of our days days in the service. In the end however it is still just shit. In the end we have all joined the ranks of the American armchair warrior. The difference would be in perception, how we perceive the war. I perceive it as a total waste of human life. No matter what we do or how long we stay Iraq will eventually fall apart. If you argue the point that a pull out would disrespect harm the moral our soldiers then I would argue that Serving multiple tours of duty, death and no real goals are already having the greatest affect on those two factors.
If you are worried that a pull-out would harm our image in the eyes of the rest of the world, then you are sad and pathetic in far to many ways to mention here.

It is also sad that a Viet Nam vet would so totally disrespectful of his fellow soldiers opinions. So you would have us all believe that every vet or service man in these organizations is disgruntled?
Did you enjoy your experiences so much that you would the wish same upon a new generation?

LOL, Geshizar I agree. Its all so petty.
My contributions to this thread were because I couldn't stand all the call-outs being made.
I served my country and did what I was told to do even tho I didn't understand or agree with the commands. I've seen death and destruction, Smelled the Decay in the streets and witnessed the deaths of masses of people.
Does that make me a warrior, no. Did I serve my country, yes. For 7 years.
Am I entitled to my opinion, of coarse.
Have I lied about my service? No. I had adventures and hum-drum days but those experiences have made me who I am.
Do I believe anyone else has served our country? I don't care. If you say you did I will take you at your word. I...

LOL, Geshizar I agree. Its all so petty.
My contributions to this thread were because I couldn't stand all the call-outs being made.
I served my country and did what I was told to do even tho I didn't understand or agree with the commands. I've seen death and destruction, Smelled the Decay in the streets and witnessed the deaths of masses of people.
Does that make me a warrior, no. Did I serve my country, yes. For 7 years.
Am I entitled to my opinion, of coarse.
Have I lied about my service? No. I had adventures and hum-drum days but those experiences have made me who I am.
Do I believe anyone else has served our country? I don't care. If you say you did I will take you at your word. I know I have experienced some unbelievable shit in my day. I'm sure others have too.
What we are doing in Irag and Afghanistan is not war. There are no war strategies that I recognize from the sources I have seen. Looks more like a hostile takeover to me. It is a waste of our resources and destructive to our image. It is creating more trouble than it is worth. I just hope everyone comes to their senses...soon!

Is this clip indicative about your feelings for gays Willhelm?

No, It is what I think about those gays their actions. It was disrespectful and hateful. I do not apologize for my disrespect to them.

does that clip and your comments truly indicate how you feel about us gays?

No, It is what I think about those gays their actions. It was
disrespectful and hateful. I do not apologize for my disrespect to them.

I really DO want to know how you feel about gay people.

I feel about gay people the same as I do about all peope.

That is the difference in me and Debbyski. She feels differently about gay people. She's the one drawing distinctions. She i...

Is this clip indicative about your feelings for gays Willhelm?

No, It is what I think about those gays their actions. It was disrespectful and hateful. I do not apologize for my disrespect to them.

does that clip and your comments truly indicate how you feel about us gays?

No, It is what I think about those gays their actions. It was
disrespectful and hateful. I do not apologize for my disrespect to them.

I really DO want to know how you feel about gay people.

I feel about gay people the same as I do about all peope.

That is the difference in me and Debbyski. She feels differently about gay people. She's the one drawing distinctions. She is the one with the declarations of 'gay bar' exploits as if she is going to the zoo. She is the one with constant pandering regarding 'gayness'.
There is one thing for sure, zasal. I do not mind telling anyone what I think about anything. I will discuss issues without the politically correct template. I will not pull punches. I will not pander to seek approval. I will offer fair criticism and I will apologize when I feel I spoke inappropriately, as I did in a clip to you many moons ago where you did not even question me.
Now, if I felt animosity toward gays, would I have given you an unsolitied apology about the possibility of you misunderstanding a irreverent quip. Not likely.

The fact is, I do not have a bigoted bone in my body and that is why I do not mind saying what I please, regardless of what bigots think and that includes debbyski. She is an obvious poser.

Let me ask you.

San Francisco will host the Folsom Street Fair, perhaps the most hedonistic event held in public in America. The fair is the San Francisco homosexual community’s annual celebration of promiscuity, sadomasochism and debauchery. The ad for this year’s fair mocks Da Vinci’s The Last Supper, with a half-naked beefcake Christ and disciples bedecked in all manner of leather and chains. The bread and wine of The Last Supper are replaced with sex toys.

Is that what you think of gay people?

I don't. I think that is activist, leftist, intolerant, hateful, anti-religious-bigoted, gay people.

I do not think that is what YOU think of gay people. However, Debbyski's refer...

Let me ask you.

San Francisco will host the Folsom Street Fair, perhaps the most hedonistic event held in public in America. The fair is the San Francisco homosexual community’s annual celebration of promiscuity, sadomasochism and debauchery. The ad for this year’s fair mocks Da Vinci’s The Last Supper, with a half-naked beefcake Christ and disciples bedecked in all manner of leather and chains. The bread and wine of The Last Supper are replaced with sex toys.

Is that what you think of gay people?

I don't. I think that is activist, leftist, intolerant, hateful, anti-religious-bigoted, gay people.

I do not think that is what YOU think of gay people. However, Debbyski's reference to that clip as a point of clarity on this matter shows blatantly that is what SHE thinks of gay people.

Think about that.

cptenaud said: - The ignorant ones can only spew hate , and they show how uneducated they are. That is why I like them to speak. Because they show their ignorant ways through their hate speech. The majority of people in this country have common sense and can see their ugliness.

And if you have followed some of my clips. You have seen how I flush out the cowards. I just let them speak and they make fools of themselves.

cptenaud - I followed your link back to this old clip and read some of the comments. You were asked about where you had received basic training and your response was Camp Pendleton. I know that Marine recruits receive basic training at either MCRD San Di...

cptenaud said: - The ignorant ones can only spew hate , and they show how uneducated they are. That is why I like them to speak. Because they show their ignorant ways through their hate speech. The majority of people in this country have common sense and can see their ugliness.

And if you have followed some of my clips. You have seen how I flush out the cowards. I just let them speak and they make fools of themselves.

cptenaud - I followed your link back to this old clip and read some of the comments. You were asked about where you had received basic training and your response was Camp Pendleton. I know that Marine recruits receive basic training at either MCRD San Diego or MCRD Parris Island, not Pendleton or Lejeune. After basic those Marines from San Diego went to Pendleton for ITR not basic.


You said during Nam the Marines received basic training at both Pendleton and Camp Lejeun. I knew this also to be wrong but I checked with a former Marine friend who received basic at MCRD San Diego in the 1960's. I informed him of what you stated and he immidiately said you're a liar. He said that recruit training has never taken place at Pendleton, ever.

So who's wrong here? My friend who I know served in the Marines or you? Based on your own comments it does not appear you telling the truth about being a former Marine, no ones going to forget where they went for basic, no one.

You supplied nothing that anyone couldn't have looked up on the net. I checked the links you supplied, no proof whatsoever.

I don't stick up for PK due to his lenght of service simply for his service, and now I suspect he was in harm's way longer than you. I went through the comments and I have no doubts about his service, your answers were totally out of the norm. You simply do not fit the mold of a Marine, except maybe in your mind.

Simply challenging someone to a duel doesn't make you a marksman, calling PK an imposter does not make your statements true or validates your claims of being a vet. More than ever I'm convinced you were never in the Marines.

I'm too stupid? Well...

You supplied nothing that anyone couldn't have looked up on the net. I checked the links you supplied, no proof whatsoever.

I don't stick up for PK due to his lenght of service simply for his service, and now I suspect he was in harm's way longer than you. I went through the comments and I have no doubts about his service, your answers were totally out of the norm. You simply do not fit the mold of a Marine, except maybe in your mind.

Simply challenging someone to a duel doesn't make you a marksman, calling PK an imposter does not make your statements true or validates your claims of being a vet. More than ever I'm convinced you were never in the Marines.

I'm too stupid? Well Einstein, you gave a name, maybe correct, maybe not. The name matches a post on the net, that's no proof it's you or that the actual post is valid. I could say I'm General Van Riperou also, does my saying it actually make it so? BTW you never answered PK, where did you take BASIC TRAINING?

I am finding it hard to believe that this discussion has been going on since at least September. It is very apparent that it is going nowhere, and serving no purpose but to cast insults and aspersions back and forth ad infinitum. May I suggest that we all just end it here? Can't we just assume everyone has served his/her country in the way they state and not try to prove anyone more or less patriotic or courageous. In the course of things, no one is ever going to prove anything, and it really serves no purpose to keep this hostility boiling. If no one, with whatever evidence they felt was convincing, was able to settle whether George W. Bush completed his service as he claims he has, how...

I am finding it hard to believe that this discussion has been going on since at least September. It is very apparent that it is going nowhere, and serving no purpose but to cast insults and aspersions back and forth ad infinitum. May I suggest that we all just end it here? Can't we just assume everyone has served his/her country in the way they state and not try to prove anyone more or less patriotic or courageous. In the course of things, no one is ever going to prove anything, and it really serves no purpose to keep this hostility boiling. If no one, with whatever evidence they felt was convincing, was able to settle whether George W. Bush completed his service as he claims he has, how the heck can we hope to do it in this format with each other. Let's just move on and enjoy the holiday season.

This is just my suggestion, not a personal criticism of any one person involved.