 davboz says: Going more on general "feeling" and a lack of research on my own part, I "sense"(?), hope(?) that Obama does turn out to be more of a real-world, moderate with common-sense, goodwill, and strength when necessary, than some have declared him to be. Not a good basis for my decision is it? I know. Still, after McCain's disgusting display of dishonesty in the debates (smearing Romney) on one hand,...and the distasteful (putting it mildly) notion of the Clintons on the other, there is a lot to like about Barack Obama. Here is his chance to show what his stuff is. Most troublesome,however, are some of the aides and advisors, not to mention the radical leftists of the population who could over-react with a disproportionate sense of inflated power and grandeur, were he to be elected. At this, for me still, somewhat ignore-ant point in my insight into the man, I have found myself hoping Barak Obama survives the process, and comes through CLEANLY. One huge measure is how he responds to Obama attended this church for over 20 years and received a steady dose of this garbage. It is hard for me to imagine he would continue attending this church after one Sunday if he did not feel some affinity with the atmosphere, philosophy, and hatred of this "preacher". Yet we will be bombarded by the ridiculous assertion that Hagee's endorsement of McCain is the same thing as a McCain endorsement of Hagee. Obama is a far-Left radical. Most every time partisan legislation was being worked out, Obama was on the cynical, anti-libertarian fringes with Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. Up until this revelation, Obama has been flying under the radar, but now that he's been smoked out by this expose' on Rev. Wright and his anti-American vitriolic speeches at his church, I think there's a lot more tough questions ahead for Obama. I now think he's just the garden-variety "shuck-n-jive" politician on the radical left of his party. Instead of listening to willhelm's tirade why don't people just listen to Barack's own commentary regarding the issue on Fox News Obama Makes Rare FOX NEWS Appearance... Willhelm didn't make any tirade. You should be ashamed of your constant name calling and distortion Bobby. You are over the line! Perhaps you could deal with facts for a change instead of constantly trying to impute vile motives to everyone who doesn't agree with you! Perhaps you could quit being a troll and get a life instead of following me all over clipmarks. I can call 'steady dose of garbage" and "bombarded by ridiculous assertions" a tirade if I damn well please. And if I am over the line, what the hell do you plan to do about it chump. And if I am over the line, what the hell do you plan to do about it chump.Looks like what I'm doing is working fine!  The truism is still true: You're known by the company you keep. Sorry, but his entire family has been committed to this *church* (and I use that word loosely) more most of his adult life. You don't stay in a place that makes you uncomfortable or with people who you consider a crazy 'uncle'. I really thought race-relations had improved over these last 25-30 yrs. Boy, was I naive. And to think I never really believed they hated us so much. There may very well be a time for a black *American* President, but this man is not him. He apparently is a smooth-talking, dignified, polished version of his *pastor*. Well jatfla you are naive. In my state, one night, a white man approached a pickup truck where a black man and a white woman were sitting. The white man was their landlord. The landlord thought...... thought.... he detected a handgun in the vest of the black man. He was so threatened he was able to walk...... I repeat walk....... over to his own pickup, retrieve a rifle and shoot the black man sitting in his own truck, killing him. The object in the black man's vest was a coke can. The white man was tried and judged by an entirely white jury and was totally acquitted not even manslaughter or a misdemeanor. Why would any black person perceive that there is not equal justice in the United States of America? Yes and a mostly Black jury acquitted OJ Simpson of murder. You don't prove that reverse racism is right by citing one example or many examples! Oh yance, you have so much to learn about this world. I think we should rename you bubble boy. Yes, don't take my one example. Simply take the overall conviction and incarceration rate of all blacks compared to whites and my point is proven a 1,000 times over. Yes, don't take my one example. Simply take the overall conviction and incarceration rate of all blacks compared to whites and my point is proven a 1,000 times over. Did you ever consider that maybe they do commit the crimes? Oh, one can whine that the crack laws hurt them more, but that would be a rationalization because there is no law that says they can't stop using crack. If I said or implied that nearly all Blacks are criminals you would be up in arms. Yet you have not the slightest qualm at telling a one off story designed to portray most Whites as the most racist and unethical of races willing to let deliberately murdering Whites off because the White killed a Black person. I bet... Your interpretation is grossly incorrect. I gave an example of why blacks might feel that there is not equal justice in a court of law. It is not a stereotype, it is fact that blacks are convicted at higher rates than whites for the same offenses. To suggest that blacks are more guilty of the same crimes, especially at lopsided rates defies logical explanation and statistical principles. But when have I expected logic from you anyway. To suggest that blacks are more guilty of the same crimes, especially at lopsided rates defies logical explanation and statistical principles.Where do you get your facts? It's an obvious and unremarkable fact that discrimination will occur and that any race will discriminate. By the very logic of your above claim, you are saying that Whites only discriminate more because they have more opprotunities to so, and if another race were in charge, they would be doing the same thing! Since this is true, why are you so intent on beating up on Whites? I see your playing stupid again, looks like you are winning too. You are asking me to accept discrimination because, as you assert there will always be disproportionate amounts of ethnicities in any society, so...... just live with it? Well you tell me what you are going to do? Aside from attack Whites I mean, as a way to distract from Pastor Wrights own racist problems which are Obama's racist problems? I am going to vote for people who don't pander to fear. Personally I believe a lot of people are members of churches for many varied reasons, some of them the least is being in step with every word that comes out of a pastor's mouth. I am going to vote for people who don't pander to fear.But all you do besides claim that Obama is more electable (which is the fear Hillary is not electable) and your unsupported belief that Obama stands for change, is to pander constantly to the fear that Hillary is not playing fair, or the fear that she thinks better of herself than you think she should, or the fear that poor Martin Luther King has been diminished and so on. Fear is real Bobby. Fear is good as well as bad Bobby. So when you say pandering to fear, it would be good to know what you really mean. Say you claim someone is pandering to race fear. Well I don't know about you, but in the real world I live in that... Who said I don't acknowledge fear exists. Obviously fear must exist for Hillary to resort to pandering to fear. Obviously Hillary is fearful of losing what she believed was her divine right so she stooped to gutter politics. Duh. Yes you are right Bobby. Duh indeed. That's the point. Everyone has fears. So why are you making such a big hysterical fit about it all the time? Because you are trying to exploit fear. Simple yes! Duh as you say!  There is rational fear and there is irrational fear. Knowing people have irrational fear and pandering to the worst instincts of humans are not equals. How in the world do you get that they are equals? I could say, who gets to decide which is which, or I could say, you are right and your fear that 30 seconds of video could hurt the Obama campaign is irrational in the extreme or I could say, yes, Bobby that's exactly why you need to do more than continuously pronouncing the formula 'pandering to fear' without ever saying exactly what is so horrible. You see the way you play the game, you are your own little God. You get to decide which is which. After all there are very few significant switches that are absolutely clear cut. Was the Willy Horten ad pandering? Well liberals would say it was and conservatives would say it wasn't. And both can make a good argument. The only time you have cle... Hey, while I am looking something up. Would you care to comment on why you are so protective of willhelm? I mean, do you know how rabid his distaste is for Hillary? How can you two be so chummy? Check out this willhelm clip (and I will be watching to see if you passionately engage him in commentary). Democrats ( the Clintons particularly) are so freakin' sleazy To suggest that blacks are more guilty of the same crimes, especially at lopsided rates defies logical explanation and statistical principles.Where do you get your facts? So we have 100 Blacks and a 100 Whites charged with armed robbery. And 76 Blacks get convicted and only 53 Whites do. Is that your story? It has nothing to do with the election, but it would be nice to have the data if it exists. * Weapons. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, in 2001 whites and African Americans reported similar rates of carrying a weapon (whites 17.9%, African Americans 15.2%), and similar rates of carrying a gun (whites 5.5%, and African Americans, 6.5%). [10] African American youth represent 32% of all weapons arrests, and were arrested for weapons offenses at a rate twice that of whites (69 per 100,000, versus 30 per 100,000). [11] * Assault. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, African Americans report being in a physical fight at a similar rate (36.5%, versus 32.5% for whites), but were arrested for aggrava... yance, there is a great tool - it's called Google scholar. You can use it to find academic peer reviewed studies. You said that you work for a school so the library should provide a treasure trove of information for you. This is an unestablished area of research and is not controversial in the facts I have presented. Now it is time for you to do some work, quit being lazy asking people to provide information for you that is easily accessible. Educate yourself. Would you care to comment on why you are so protective of willhelm? I mean, do you know how rabid his distaste is for Hillary? How can you two be so chummy? Check out this willhelm clip (and I will be watching to see if you passionately engage him in commentary). Democrats ( the Clintons particularly) are so freakin' sleazy Bobby, Bobby, there is something called the Internet and libraries and even detectives if it comes to that, so now is the time for you to do a little work and find out for yourself why I am so chummy with Willhelm or if that is even the case really. But you should do the work for sure. For unlike you, I didn't claim to be chummy but you did claim to know a certain fact yet you reveal exhibit shyness about revealing the source of it. One would think if your fact was true, Obama could have fitted it into 'the speech' glory glory hallelujah! and people would forget all about the Wright Reverend! Justice Policy Institue - you can copy and paste any part of the information and find it on the web if you are not too lazy. Polling has shown that people do not believe Pastor Wright's views reflect Obama's views. Only 24% do, which is about the same percentage of core bush supporters. You are in good company yance. Gallup polling shows Obama in front of Hillary once again. Glory Glory - He has arisen. Weapons. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, in 2001 whites and African Americans reported similar rates of carrying a weapon (whites 17.9%, African Americans 15.2%), and similar rates of carrying a gun (whites 5.5%, and African Amer.... etc.Well I didn't see this before but I don't see any real significance to it. It has nothing to do with what I thought you were talking about. There are many different explanations for differences theorized based upon SELF REPORTING by each group, but I can give you a bottom line on it. It would only prove IF it were accurate, that MAYBE more Whites should be arrested, but it would NOT show that any Blacks were incorrectly arrested! Justice Policy Institue - you can copy and paste any part of the information and find it on the web if you are not too lazy. Polling has shown that people do not believe Pastor Wright's views reflect Obama's views. Only 24% do, which is about the same percentage of core bush supporters. You are in good company yance. Gallup polling shows Obama in front of Hillary once again. Glory Glory - He has arisen. |
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