Torture is not about getting information. It is to satisfy the sick lust for control of a human being. The weakest people in society are the ones who do this. It gives them a sense of power. Putting the ethical debate aside. The CIA disagrees with the FBI on this as your source indicates, as does my clip on it. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the CIA has quite a bit more experience gathering information using techniques that make one less than comfortable. So for the time being I am going to lend more credibility to the CIA when they say such techniques produced useful result. Further, the source who said it produced useful results was actually speaking out because he came to feel water-boarding was "torture" and shouldn't be used. To me making his statements even more credible, considering he wasn't speaking in support of it, but in fact against. If one were to lie, the lie would be to say it didn't work. In lieu of the torture tapes debacle, I think the CIA's credibility in defending the use of torture is pretty much shot. And if you think about it, the people who engaged in these practices have plenty of incentive to claim it worked regardless of the truth. There's no sense in talking about ethics, the CIA is involved. Who is going to interrogate the CIA? No-one? They have nothing to worry about..... besides their secrets. Take them away, and they'd feel naked. And if you think about it, the people who engaged in these practices have plenty of incentive to claim it worked regardless of the truth.Hmm, so someone who is coming out against waterboarding calling it torture and that the CIA should not use it has plently of incentive to claim it worked regardless of the truth? Forgive me if I don't agree. In lieu of the torture tapes debacle, I think the CIA's credibility in defending the use of torture is pretty much shot. And if you think about it, the people who engaged in these practices have plenty of incentive to claim it worked regardless of the truth. Agreed. And now see it from the other side. Unless al-Quade intended that ALL its operatives would commit suicide, then being captured for torture was a likely option. Just like the Americans, they would have practised for being tortured. Give up the information too early, and it would not be believed but would endanger lives of other members. So waterboarding would not have been new to them. The best US intelligence was discovered 'a... Everyone is justifying torture on "utilitarian" grounds; "because it worked." So it's entirely reasonable to check to see if it did. And those tapes would have provided absolute proof of that, as well as providing a visceral answer to the question as to whether waterboarding is torture or not. It's reasonable to presume that they contained nothing the CIA considered to be, shall we say, exculpatory. . It is to satisfy the sick lust for control of a human being.  Yuueah! Gudamit! I know it's true cuz that's what I think of when I want to control somebody. I know. The fact that you find this funny shows who you really are. |
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