 debbyski says: "A campaign had emerged to promote the idea that the Bible was entirely without error, even in matters of history and science. Some feared that more liberal theological positions were being taught in the convention's seminaries. n August, he visited the White House. In "Our Endangered Values," Carter recalls Smith saying, at the close of their meeting, "We are praying, Mr. President, that you will abandon secular humanism as your religion." HMMMMM . . . where have I heard that before? I thinky maybe here on CM, yes I do. I think I have had that charge leveled on me that I MUST be a secular humanist. God FORBID that I promote peace, I MUST be a pacifist -(even though Jesus was the ultimate pacifist). God FORBID I must be a voice against violence, homophobia, patriarchy, sexism, and racism. I MUST be secular. God wouldn't want those values; the only values God wants are crotch based. God is not crotch based, just American WASP's. Traveling the world and friends across the pond, one only see's this radical behavior in the USA. If Jesus was here physically, from time to time I believe I see his works, he would be on his knee's outside a church weeping and prostating himself saying Father look what they have done with my teachings, they have turned from us for power and greed, look at my poor children living on the street; no heat, food, or water. He will say what have I done. Those who are first will be last, those last will be first. Yes, he would cabanaben yes he would. cabanaben! that was just awesome! hi debs  Hey Alan! It's Friday night and I'd love to go dancing with you and your honey, you guys pick the gay bar (I jog 4 miles a day so I never get breathless) Do you like to dance with bi girls who never hit on you baby? Wanna go to my favorite vice? http://viceversaclub.com/ Cabanaben is gonna get Sooooooo mad at me for saying this in public but he takes me to Vice to make me happy from time to time and he is sooooooooo heterosexual, and such a masculine looking guy so he REALLY gets upset with me when I promise not to leave him alone, drink too much, then leave him alone to go dancing and of course what happens? He gets hit on by guys. I told him to take it as a compliment, tell them I'm married, there is my WIFE people, but he kinda gets a little upset and tends to pull off his pink bracelet  Forgive me baby Please??? I would totally go to viceversa (very very clever name BTW)! Except you're in W. Virginia and I wouldn't be able to make it before the bar closed . I'll dance with girls, you bet!  I have a lot of practice dancing with girls from my younger days!There is a big difference when you dance with a straight girl as opposed to a gay guy, but I should probably save that conversation for another time! cabanaben don't get mad at debbyski, she's crazy nuts about you as I recall many conversation from way back; she brags about out you all the time here! Next time you are in town, we all WILL go! There is a big difference when you dance with a straight girl as opposed to a gay guyDon't I know that! One time I was in Vice and one of my gay guy friends was in there and he is an excellent dancer and I told him he should dance with us and he was wanting another guy who wasn't interested in him to dance, but that guy didn't want to dance with him, and he was mad, (and I find out later that guy was bisexual) and my friends love interest grabs my hand, dances with me on the dance floor in quite a different way from the way a gay man would dance with a straight woman (well, half-straight Drama, drama, drama, Alan! And I'm not interested in all of that. I just like to dance HMMMMM . . . where have I heard that before? I thinky maybe here on CM, yes I do. I think I have had that charge leveled on me that I MUST be a secular humanist. God FORBID that I promote peace, I MUST be a pacifist -(even though Jesus was the ultimate pacifist). God FORBID I must be a voice against violence, homophobia, patriarchy, sexism, and racism. I MUST be secular. God wouldn't want those values; the only values God wants are crotch based.A secular humanist need not defend these values because they are in fact humanist values. They have to do with kindness and fairness to each other. Has nothing to do with any deity. Your dilemma comes when you try to make them ... Oh Aces baby, debby luvs you. But you haven't had the experiences I have had and you don't know what I know. Of course God is on the inside of me, he's been in there ever since I almost died once honey. You can call it brain chemicals or whatever, that doesn't change a thing for me. I know him Aces, I really do. Maybe I am a fool to you Aces; that's ok. But I know what I know and it's my reality. BTW Aces, You know it wasn't you I was speaking of who leveled the secular humanist charge against me don't you? It was somebody who claims to be "religious." But anyway, back to the clip . . . I've been a pastor for twenty years and I just two weeks ago realized John's story tells of Jesus dying on Thursday, while Matthew, Mark, Luke put it on Friday. So much for war over literal perfection. Jesus is up to so much more than that! @Masbury In my personal opinion, if there wasn't such a taboo surrounding religion, the bible would be discarded, as a book of fact, in no time at all. But you haven't had the experiences I have had and you don't know what I know. Of course God is on the inside of me, he's been in there ever since I almost died once honey. You can call it brain chemicals or whatever, that doesn't change a thing for me. I know him Aces, I really do. Maybe I am a fool to you Aces; that's ok. But I know what I know and it's my reality.You've never been a fool to me in any way. And your belief in god has never been an issue. The issue has only been WHICH god. You see... The god in your heart, as best I can tell, couldn't possibly be the god in biblical scripture. Your own morality appears far superior to the morality of scripture. This makes m... Thank you Aces! t's appeals to me like a woman who defends her husband who beats her; but there she is, always defending his actions.But, baby, that is such a horrible analogy to me. *shudder* In addition, Marcus Borg turned my way of seeing things through different lenses. Then I got turned onto Crossan and Greely and the message of the Social Gospel. Your quote above is in distinct parallel to the parable of the vineyard. To me that says we can't understand a love so great as that. It's a very difficult concept to understand, but I try to practice it as much as I can in my limited human capacity. I often fail. Masbury, a book is only as good as the author, the Bible being used as a history book is wrong, an instruction book for a good life, yes, the letters of Paul was written before the Gospels, most people do not know this. As for the day at Golgotha, the Jews sabbath is on Saturday, Sunday is a work day such as our Monday, the day does not matter only the message. During the Sparticus revolt, the Romans crucified 100,000 in one day, they were masters of their trade.One should pick one Gospel to read twice a week, take notes each reading, do this for one month, then compare your notes, one will be surprised how they compromise their own self, it is interesting, it proves that you can not put God... Interesting clip and comments--- Ilove Jimmy Carter for his example of Christian life...He got a raw deal as Prez. But I digress...When people ask me if I believe in God, I answer--Define what God you are talking about---which of course is impossible IMHO because our minds cannot grasp the immense and truly awesome nature of God...When you try to label or define God, you you always fall short....Just feel the Divine Spark and the Grace inside and rejoice in life. It's actually very simple, but people wanna confuse God with their limited concepts and that just fucks it all up, leading to stupid shit like wars and power grabs. Look around at Nature and the Stars and deep inside. THERE is God. And...sorry, Debs...but I'm not too happy about the "washed in the Blood" jazz...When I first met Christ, I was washed in the LIGHT, dear. there's a huge difference. Maybe the Imagery is a bit too bloody. We all suffer and bleed. But why make it a Christian necessity to get washed in the blood? Oh, I agree pappy! That's why I made it the title. I've been a pastor for twenty years and I just two weeks ago realizedThis is the best comment I have ever seen on clipmarks. Thanks for your honesty. |
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