 lifecyce1898 says: Or take marriage. At his Saddleback Church, wifely submission is official doctrine: The church website tells women to defer to their husband's "leadership" even when he's wrong on important issues, such as finances. Never mind if she's an accountant and he flunked long division, or if she wants to beef up the kids' college fund and he wants to buy shares in the Brooklyn Bridge. The godly answer is supposed to be "yes, dear." Is elevating this male chauvinist how President-elect Obama thanks women, who gave him more than half his votes? Obama to women, "Thanks for your vote, here's a kick in the teeth as your reward." Actually the whole wives submit to you husbands thing is straight out of the bible, Ephesians 5:22. So technically ANYONE who claims Christianity as their religion should not have a problem with this as according to christian beliefs the bible is the actual word of god and is therefore infallible. But at the same time the passage is nearly always taken out of context. Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit to your husbands as if to the Lord. For a husband is "head" of the wife as Christ is "head" of the church. He is savior of the "body." Like the church submits to Christ, wives should submit to their husb... Point well taken. I wonder how many self professed christians know exactly what they stand for by making that claim. I would take issue with "its all a beautifully put together work of fiction", I would replace beautifully with horribly. Merely an opinion of Thomas Paine's that I agree with. Rick Warren registers 101% on my Gaydar. Mmmm.....time to recalibrate. I haven't read The Age of Reason (Although one of these days I should), but I have read the Bible in several different interpretations and although by literary standards, it may not be quite coherent and it has a lot of what I guess you would call plot holes, you can't argue with its effectiveness. For me I would say that the overall presentation is quite good and I would tend to judge it on it effectiveness in influencing people regardless of its literary shortcomings. It is one of those books that, even if you don't believe in it's teachings literally, is worth a read if for no other reason than to expand your horizons and to understand where many people derive the driving force in their life. Again simply a MOO. You would judge the book by it's effectiveness, I think it's says more about the reader...or more accurately, professed reader. Chestnut...I'm getting the same reading. 1 more self hating closet dwelling member of the GOP? I said that I had read it, not that I believed it. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Not talking about you. My guess would be that the majority of christians have never read that book. I struggled to get through it early in life and rather than reaffirming, I found it very disturbing. |
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