In countries such as France and Turkey, where there are legal curbs on religious dress, it becomes a matter of women's human rights to wear what they want.Actually, it becomes (some) women's "voluntarily enslavement" instrument. I agree Invictus.... thanks for the quote & insights  I've often wondered when I see a Muslim woman covering up to such degree if it is her choice or not. Especially when I see them here in Canada on the bus or downtown... I have given up on this issue as "women issue" I honestly do not understand the reasons behind it. I also think men will never understand this properly and those men who force their women to cover completely, are simply uneducated and naive. inviticus, voluntary inslavement in your eyes but in her eyes Freedom from fashion dictates. Because she can wear what she wants when she wants, without people and fashion having an effect on her. ie she no longer is a slave to fashion. She is a slave to the Creator of all things, big and small. And only to Him. Men have no say on her because she only acts according to the Creator of men and all other things. Do you see why she feels free. As for those who do things by force and without knowledge, then they are in ignorance. Remember Kemal Ataturk. Yep, he is dead for sure ! LoL, he also helped kill the last caliph.... It must be coming I assumed, right Ali? I would like to see a scientific poll on how many women in the world wears these veils out of choice. At this moment, I am going to guess that they are not many compared to those who are forced to wear one. It doesnt matter arif. If the poll says most wear due to force it just means Muslims havent yet come out of darkness fully yet. But the process of revival is definitly progressing. Sooner or later those who use force will be challenged. But from my experience the veil today is worn by custom and not by force. So again it is fashion that is ruling not individual choice. Its sad when something meaningful loses its meaning and becomes tradition. As for the caliphate , it is definitly on its way and the US is helping to bring it about ! I have been tolerating Bush as a world caliph for so many years, are you telling me there's someone else coming after him?  Good allways comes after Evil. Dont worry it wont be another Bush. Jesus peace be upon him is also on his way, and he will work with the Just caliph. load of crap, live in this country abide by our laws, easy to understand is it not. Ali, that is NBC who wants you to believe all that, they want the highest ranking of their next drama in the making, you watching too much TV?  Its part of Islam man. Mind you I do watch too much TV. stretch9. Its not your country. It belongs to the Creator. Easy to understand is it not? Yep, he is dead for sure !I'd like to learn what you mean with this. As a mortal man, he certainly died 70 years ago. But his views and principles still lives and will live forever. Especially his firm standing about secularism and his clear approach and reaction to Islamic fundamentalism. Ataturk for Turks, is like George Washington or Ben Franklin for the Americans. I don't tolerate any unrespecful word on him. Do you worship him inviticus? You are right his ideas still with us today, as are the ideas of those like him. But with the islamic revival upon us, even in Turkey (check out www.HarunYahya.com), even these ideas are dieing. Because they make no sense. To worship man instead of worshipping the Creator of man.? Do you see? By the way the website author is Turkish and has huge global following. See what he says about kemal attaturk Inviticus do you realise that before ataturk, Turkey was the capital of the most dominant superpower on earth. And after him, or due to him, it became nothing. Just another third world state that keeps begging the Europeans to enter it into their union. Do you call that an achievement? First, that Harun Yahya is a lunatic jerk, Ali. nobody takes him serious here except a handful of dark minded people. His real name is Adnan Oktar and he's famous with his loathsome intrigues: He deceives young people from wealthy families who are in a psychological depression and uses them for his own benefits. He is known by trapping young girls craftily, forcing them make sex to his "disciples", then using their recorded sex videos against them. A pretty impressing Muslim. Several court files are on him and he was sentenced for disgusting crimes in the past. You are embracing wrong man, I'm afraid. Second, it is obvious that you have very few info on Turkey and Turkish history. The Ottom... What is the source of your information regarding ottoman empire and the facts you stated? By the way inviticus , it is natural for an anti Islam state like Turkey to try to defame and spread lies about people who have become famous in spread Islam around the world. So I would not be surprised of lots of allegations being made about this person in order to try to discredit him. And it is a sign of weakness of secularism that they have to resort to this kind of character assissination techniques. Has the man actaully been imprisoned for any of these 'foul' actions? if not they why not? Can you show any evidence that these allegations were actaully truthful? This is a challenge to you. What about his followers, have they all stuck to him or have splits occurrred? Normally when such... Regarding what you said about Turkey allways wanting to be part of Europe, this is a very demeaning thought. It actually demeans the Turks instead of lifts them up. Like telling your son to allways just copy these people, and not think for yourself and have your own independant thought. And what is it so great that the Europeans have? They dont know why they exist, what will happen to them after death, whether there is a Creator or not? And all they do is just live thier life for enjoyment and thats it. They had the first world war, and the second in which millions of thier people were killed. They dont follow guidance from their Creator. They had dark ages while in Islam people had enlighte... What about Islam on the Turks. They adopted it and became the head of the superpower state that went to spread it world wide, globally. They succeeded in spreading into Europe, and constantinople was the part of Roman Empire that they liberated from darkness and opened to the light of Islam. And you say they wanted to be Europeans. You are so wrong in your understanding of history. The sultan at the time was the one who was praised in the saying of the prophet. And his opening of constantinople was a military plan of genius proportions. And they knew their Creator and did not worship men. It's useless trying to cope with your ignorance and narrow minded bigotry. Farewell Ali; keep on living in the 7th century. I am glad that you could not answer back invictus. It shows that what you stated is not based on anything. I challenged you on evidence for Harun Yahya being convicted of anything and you did not reply on anything. I challenged you on your view of the Turks and you could not reply with anything. Instead you make a common remark just to redicule others whom you cannot answer. What does this show invictus? Who is the one who is ignorant and bigotted? Me or you? Its funny how when those people who are ignorant are challenged, they simply run away. Is this your eternal strategy invictus? Runing away whenever you cannot answer back? Does this make you a proud person? Ali, just in case if you may ever wonder why I AM running away, so know, it is because of this : By the way inviticus , it is natural for an anti Islam state like Turkey to try to defameYou are turning out to be a real ignorant and close minded, there is no doubt. Wow, you turned out to insult people as well arif. I didnt expect this from you given the nice things you had in your profile. Run away then. Ali, you insulted the whole country by calling them anti-islam, and you're worried about my insult? Are you okay? Spend some time and watch this, you might be enlightened. You silly person arif. I was praising Harun Yahya is Turkesh and spreading islam in Tureky. And I praised the old Turks because they adopted Islam whereas inviticus had no respect for them. And you call me insulting the state. I am against the government and not the people. The people want islam but the state is militant in the way it persecutes those who want to adopt and spread. The people want islam but the state is militant in the way it persecutes those who want to adopt and spread.  You really have no idea about Turkey and the Turks. Oh, btw, ask your beloved Harun Yahya (a.k.a "Adnan Hodja") why he's hiding; why he's using pseudo names; how's it going with young girls and boys in jacuzee+ecstasy parties nowadays; the recent news from "blackmailing wealthy people" business; and maybe WHO is financing his valuable works. Did you know that some ten years ago he defended himself at the court claiming he was an "Ataturk fan" and the defender of "secularism"? These are allegations , do you have any evidence that they are true. Do you have any links? Has he been improsoned ? Has there been a split in his followers? Its easy for the state to make false accusations against people they dont like. People who attack the basis upon which the state is built, namely secularism and disbelief in the Creator. Harun Yahya is not the first. Checkout http://www.risale-inur.com.tr/rnk/eng/tarihce/bsn.htm regarding a man called Bediuzzaman Said Nursi. He was so persecuted by the Turkish state that when he died they buried him in a secret place because he had such a large following and the state was so scared of that. I think to be honest it is you who is in the dark about Turkey, not me. Holland just banned veils. Turkey already bans the headscarf, nevermind the veil. They have to prove to the europeans they are more anti Islam than the West. So that they can grovel to them to have entry into the european eunion. Thinking that this will make them higher forms of human. This shows how the secular Turks have such low confidence and pride in themselves. They feel they can only be complete once some other humans accept them. Whereas the Islamic Turks have such pride in themselves that they care nothing about acceptance by humans and everything about acceptance by the Creator of humans. Harun Yahya's response to allegations against him: from: http://www.harunyahya.com/faq/faq_author07.php How realistic are the negative reports about you in the press? Why are so many false allegations made about the author? Is there really nothing to them? Why doesn't the author issue any rebuttals to the negative reports about him on the television or in the press? Being exposed to unfounded allegations is something that has happened to devout Muslims throughout history. When we read the verses of the Qur'an we see that many slanders have been made against the prophets. The fact that someone is slandered does not, therefore, mean that he is a bad person. In fact, the sland... |
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