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2-13-2009 8:54 PM
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2-14-2009 11:14 AM
tommy2balmy
HOPE???? HOPE??? You are claiming hope as a value to be lived by? Without faith? It clearly states hope on the list (not hope with faith)

Here is a list of just some of the negative remarks you have made about hope on one clip-
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/E4AC2854-0499-4A96-8361-123B768DBDD2/

If anything, "hope" is the cause of our problems. You are an inactive participant in hope. Hope is outside of yourself, a wish or a dream. Hope is for lotteries.

The fact is that hope is childish fantasy

Hope requires nothing of you.


With "hope" you surrender any accountability. Of course, those who hate are surely comfortable with tha...
2-14-2009 11:19 AM
tommy2balmy
BTW,
The patience which you need to deal with the many,many fellow clippers you have declared to be intellectually inferior to you, is that a display of you "living" the value of humility?
2-14-2009 11:28 AM
jatfla
In Christian theology, 'hope' is defined as ""favorable and confident expectation", "full assurance of what God has promised".

Anyway...those are some pretty good values to strive for and instill in our personal lives. I would add 'integrity' and 'kindness'.
2-14-2009 1:20 PM
willhelm
Good points, tommy. However, knowing the source of the list, it is a given that "hope" is a part of faith. I agree with you that there is glaring omission of reality in the list and to the discriminating eye, such as the one you possess, it is a big mistake not to point out the very important distinction on a rational and semantic level. One cannot be fully accountable for every mis-step in the course casual conversation. However, when the discussion is about the distinction itself, then there are more precise rules one must follow. Here, perhaps, is an attampt to reach out. Maybe, I don't know. I do know this for a fact. When Beck is speaking about 'hope', faith is a given. When a materialist speaks about 'hope', that is not the case.
2-14-2009 2:42 PM
tommy2balmy
Point taken, thank you for clarifying.
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