@willhelm - You don't know what the hell you're talking about...and you're rather rude about it as well.

Since you seem to think you're smarter than anybody else in the room, or in the audience you might have an inkling of the idea that people with real brains don't have to win arguments by calling everyone else dumb.

You,sir. Are a dumb ass.

Go 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 @#$ yourself.

P.S. -- oh yea. Obama is a really good, decent and smart man.

I see his political ID as being a populist and reformer, who believes in considering all other opinions and views and seeks to work towards consensus.

He also is a great admirer of Lincoln (who also sought other views, having Republicans in his Cabinet, et...

@willhelm - You don't know what the hell you're talking about...and you're rather rude about it as well.

Since you seem to think you're smarter than anybody else in the room, or in the audience you might have an inkling of the idea that people with real brains don't have to win arguments by calling everyone else dumb.

You,sir. Are a dumb ass.

Go 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 @#$ yourself.

P.S. -- oh yea. Obama is a really good, decent and smart man.

I see his political ID as being a populist and reformer, who believes in considering all other opinions and views and seeks to work towards consensus.

He also is a great admirer of Lincoln (who also sought other views, having Republicans in his Cabinet, etc.),
a believer in the high ideals and hopes our our county and a person who honors and respects the laws of our Constitution.

The difference between Bush and Obama is like the difference between day and night. Bush is corrupt and does evil; Obama is good and wants to see things made better, 2/3,2/3,2/3 4sure.

A bit of an apology to other posters....but when I read smug lines like:

"[Obama] understands the ignorance of his audience and the enormity of his myth. "

...there is a smugness behind such words is sickens me.

Also, to talk of Obama having "fascist tendencies," is so removed from reality and observations but also so much in denial of the real road to fascism that Bush put us on (approving torture, indefinite detention in Gitmo, widespread spying on all citizens with no reasons necessary, private armies like Blackwater, etc.) -- so these ugly realities start us in the face and some jerk wants to distract us? or take away support from Obama? but accusations that, at best, can only be p...

A bit of an apology to other posters....but when I read smug lines like:

"[Obama] understands the ignorance of his audience and the enormity of his myth. "

...there is a smugness behind such words is sickens me.

Also, to talk of Obama having "fascist tendencies," is so removed from reality and observations but also so much in denial of the real road to fascism that Bush put us on (approving torture, indefinite detention in Gitmo, widespread spying on all citizens with no reasons necessary, private armies like Blackwater, etc.) -- so these ugly realities start us in the face and some jerk wants to distract us? or take away support from Obama? but accusations that, at best, can only be paranoid fears (since Obama has not yet taken office)

And when this muckraker talks about "[Obama needs to take] a more conservative and hawkish stance toward issues of preserving liberty, continuing the fronts in Iraq...etc.'] The big lie here is to think of false wars started for false reasons (Iraq) have anything to do with preserving liberty.

My liberty is doing just fine, thank you; and the biggest threat to it was George Bush, his neo-con cohorts, zionist-extremist, oil companies, the military and weapons dealers, etc.

Bush did not use the excuse of 9/11 and the deliberately fabricated lies of WMD's to start a pre-emptive war to 'preserve our liberties,' to to grab Oil and serve the interest of Israel.

We need to get real about these things.

Unfortunately just because Obama is elected doesn't mean these warmongers have suddenly disappeared and he can't wave a magic wand and change everything overnight -- even if he wanted to.

For example: Bush and the warmongers have pushed the Russians too far; too far is putting nuclear missiles on the Russian border, (in Poland).

Like the Cuban missile crisis -- no major power can let it's enemies put nuclear missiles on it's border (or nearby, like in Cuba). When the Russians did that JFK got on TV and said is any of these missi

(cont.)...got on TV and said is any of these missiles were used there would be a full-scale nuclear attack against Russia.

That's heavy duty; that's about as heavy-duty as it gets.

We didn't accept nuclear missiles on our shores, in Cuba. the Russians will not accept us putting nuclear missiles on their border; and the stakes are high.

So, what does Obama do?

Does he start his first day as President by backing down to the Russians?
(even thought the Russians are totally acting in self-defense to USA actions that are tantamount, almost, to an act of war...you know, sticking a gun in your face)

Get this, btw; there is a joke here: Bush White House neocons and their cohorts claim

1. The...

(cont.)...got on TV and said is any of these missiles were used there would be a full-scale nuclear attack against Russia.

That's heavy duty; that's about as heavy-duty as it gets.

We didn't accept nuclear missiles on our shores, in Cuba. the Russians will not accept us putting nuclear missiles on their border; and the stakes are high.

So, what does Obama do?

Does he start his first day as President by backing down to the Russians?
(even thought the Russians are totally acting in self-defense to USA actions that are tantamount, almost, to an act of war...you know, sticking a gun in your face)

Get this, btw; there is a joke here: Bush White House neocons and their cohorts claim

1. The missile are there for protection from Iran.

?? Does that make any sense to you?

Do you think it's credible to the Russians?

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The other USA claim is that they will not be nuclear missiles and will only be for defense (you know, from any missile attacks from Iran).

Sure, we're at war all over the world, we have now started a policy of pre-emptive attacks, we're liars, and the big gun pointed at the Russian's head, they are told, is nothing to worry about.

Note: They have stopped listening to us. They don't believe us. They are moving their own, real nukes to their border with Poland. They have targeted nuke missiles against cities in Europe.

They have said this clearly, many times, over the period of the last two years.

And now we say the Russian move is 'aggressive.'

Well...I think a European city will go up in smoke (probably in Poland). Then the Russians will be ready and alert and wait to see what we do.

What do we do then?

Their military intent is as clear as when they pushed back the attack from Georgia; and as real.

Bush, these warmongers of use have truly put us deep into the shit-house -- with the economy too.

When Obama says he needs help, he ain't kidding.

** My idea (I just got) is to try and awaken Europe to the real danger here; there are already ma