 tabsey says: Seems strange that the son can enlist. Anyone can die for America, but not everyone can live there. Everyone should read this thanks for posting it! So the very Mexicans that Bush so adores to hate are the ones fighting his war. Thats just too much Irony for me this weekend. Hopefully people will awaken to the reality that no matter how high we build the fence, the line between mexico and the us has long since be blurred. It also more shockingly points to the problems of recruiting campaigns - not only is the military targeting youth, but short cuts in legalities appear to also be a practice. I imagine he was born in America and is therefore a citizen but that they wouldn't raise issue over his parents until now is ... interesting. Lets face it the French Foreign Legion treats people better than the US military. Sorry but a child born to ILLEGAL immigrants is an ILLEGAL birth and should not be granted citizenship. The also should not be fighting as US citizens. The should be made citizens or deported. Is your view so black and white ? So if you are not white Anglo Saxon American, you cannot be a patriot to your country of choice. Marszal is right the French Foreign Legion is a better outfit. America has a long history of using recent immigrants in her wars. The federal government used Irish immigrants fresh off the boats to fight in the civil war. And even if your a white born and bred citizen who fights for this country. You will not get the benefits they promised. I know that from personal experience. And you will be a second class citizen in their eye`s. I also have experience with that. Skwirl How can a person, a human being be illegal? And besides have you read the Constitution, anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen, period, regardless of who his parents are or their citizen status. Whats the matter with you? As I stated earlier - I have a headache today Obviously the constitution isn't that important to anyone anymore. Give everyone a gun and tell them to shoot the cause of their problems and see if there are any suicides. Give everyone a gun and tell them to shoot the cause of their problems and see if there are any suicides.Good point. shameful. what the hell is an illegal birth? If the parents were in the country illegally then everything they do is illegal. Including giving birth. How come you can't see that? If they are not in the country illegally then they are: a. In the country legally b. Not in the country I agree that my wording is off kilter a bit today but so what- you either get my drift or you don't. Its not that important- after all its only my opinion and one person's opinion is easy to shred. Skwirlinator I appreciate you making a go at debate against the odds but...is there really a debate here? Like I think if I may be so presumptuous (or obnoxiously diplomatic/patronizing) that Skwirlinator here can agree there is injustice in the double standard of deporting the parents of a soldier who died for America's War (and not even very clearly justified war at that). Excuse me if I've misinterpreted the following: "The[y] also should not be fighting as US citizens. The[y] should be made citizens or deported." I would like to think we all (and by that I mean everyone outside of the bush admin) can agree that something with that is WACK. You don't both allow them to enroll and deport ... By being in the country illegally everything they do in the country is illegal. If they did it in their own country it would be legal but since they are not supposed to be here in the first place everything is illegal once they get here. A soldier should be able to win citizenship for their immediate family. That could be one way people could legally enter our country. Mandatory full -time military service. 6 years for immediate family only. Set a limit on the number of family members for a number of service years. If you get KIA then the contract is considered completed and the prenamed family members get their green cards. If it is illegal to drive without insurance and you have an accid... creating stateless babiesWe didn't create them, their parents did. Why should the US have to be responsible for the family decisions of a couple of squatters that won't pay taxes, speak our language, attend our schools or abide by our laws? Why not send them back where they came from and let their own nation deal with them- Because they see it as a means to beat the system. They have many caring citizens duped with childrens faces. Its pretty sad. So if you rob a bank, everything that you after that is illegal, if you drink and drive once, every time you drive is illegal, jaywalking, etc. People can not be illegal, if they where well then you have to resurrect the old definition of outlaw, that is to be outside the law and not human, and liable to immediate death. Is that what your proposing? Modern law doe snot work that way, because if it did nobody could function in society. Again, the parents may have entered the U.S. without proper papers, (and that only applies to certain types of people, others get a free pass), but the Constitution made it so that if your born in the U.S. you can become a citizen. Its not the kids fault. I never peg you as such a nativist, go figure... Well, something you gotta understand - I frickin wierd! You spell it We fight wars to "save people" in distant countries from "tyrants" but we don't want to save helpless poor sitting in our own back yard ... ... ... wait do I smell a conflict in conservative 'non-ideology' - no no what is that smell oh yeah xenophobia oops. Article XIV. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "Without due process" is what the forefathers wrote down. One born in the USA is a citizen. No? Indeed.... I think if a person is willing to serve in the military and does serve, they deserve citizenship for doing so. If they serve during an active war, their family should be give at least a green card during this time. They are giving to the country when their son is serving during an active war. They are really giving if the son is killed in action and should be given immediate citizenship if he is killed in action. (or daughter) Hear Hear. I agree entirely. |
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