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2-22-2008 12:49 PM463 views
BobbyRutan says:
Sounding like "depends on what your definition of is is"

If the leader going into the nomination (whomever it is) gets flipped by seating Michigan or Florida delegates or through superdelagates, I'm not voting in November.
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2-22-2008 2:46 PM
kmcolo
Yes, it does depend on what the definition of is, is. I have no problem with Hillary trying to maximize her delegate count. That is because she wants to win. I would expect the same from Obama if he were in the same situation. I hope that she does not succeed though, but that she will try? Well she should.
2-22-2008 4:55 PM
bignosemousie
The media loves to publish unflattering pics of Hillary. She really looks like Mr. Burns in this photo.

"Excellent."
2-22-2008 5:15 PM
BobbyRutan
km,

I would have to disagree. In every contested primary Obama has done well because he has had a chance to meet with people and get over the name recognition obstacle. I am curious why other Democratic candidates pulled their names from the Michigan ballot and Hillary did not.

If Hillary wanted to make the argument that a contested primary in those two states should be counted I would be open to primaries held towards the end of the campaign. But I cannot agree with seating delegates where there was not a contested campaign.

I would tend to think that uncontested elections (unless no other person had filed) do not fall under the definition of democratically held elections.
3-6-2008 10:54 PM
masbury
And they unfairly favor Hillary, who has vastly higher name recognition. She - incumbent-like - wins in states without campaigns.
3-7-2008 12:07 PM
BobbyRutan
And in campaigns she ends up behind Barack Obama in delegates, popular vote, states won, and cash raised.

It's time for Hillary to quit her naked ambition and drop out for the good of the party. She is the weaker candidate against McCain.

Excellent point Masbury.
3-7-2008 5:31 PM
BobbyRutan
And you chose not to answer it.

You really need to go back and examine statements you have made. I use the words naked ambition and you are outraged.

In the meantime you have called others cultists, backbiters, called websites whores.

You're really something. Feigned indignation.
3-7-2008 8:28 PM
BobbyRutan
Use whatever term you want over-the-top ambition. Your very silly both men and women can be naked.

Have you ever heard of formatting for readability?

Thus you are ridiculous.
3-7-2008 10:30 PM
BobbyRutan
Back to topic. The DNC has asked states to come up with a plan to allow voters to be represented at the Democratic convention.

Florida wants to have another primary. The Hillary campaign wants nothing to do with it.

Michigan wants to have a caucus. The Hillary campaign will take them to court.

The Hillary campaign demands to seat the delegates in violation of the party rules which Hillary belongs to.

Why can't Hillary be a good Democrat and abide by the rules of the party she belongs to?
3-7-2008 11:06 PM
ratilfar
She wants to win at all cost.
3-8-2008 5:31 AM
BobbyRutan
Someone has to keep you on topic otherwise you are just a rant devoid of content or logic.

Sneer? Sad? You really need to get out an play more.
3-8-2008 5:55 AM
BobbyRutan
So yance why does Hillary want to have it only her way in the debate about redoing Michigan and Florida?

Is she afraid of competition? Is she a control freak? It seems like she should let the people do what they want to do?

Will your vote for McCain in your state make a difference in the general election against Obama? I mean is your state competitive in that regard?
3-8-2008 2:02 PM
BobbyRutan
Well you've stated known history. The other historical facts are that the states were told they could not seat their delegates if they did not move back their primaries. And holding to his words and his ethics Howard Dean maintained the DNC's position and the rules.

Hillary wants delegates from states where there wasn't a campaign. Taking those delegates violates principles of democratic elections. It's nice to see you have selected the unethical candidate. Thanks for opening up a window for us to see your core ethics and principles.
3-8-2008 5:20 PM
BobbyRutan
Once again you have a very poor logical process.

In every election primary or caucus this year Democrats have participated in significantly great number than Republican with one exception. Florida

A substantial part of the voters stayed at hope because they new the delegates would not be seated. Thus it is hardly a democratically representative primary

Elections where a campaign is not allowed to take place would never be recognized in another country by the U.S. The same holds true here.

Leave it to Hillary to make a the republicans look like the reasonable party. Governor Crist of Florida is more than willing to hold another primary in Florida because it will extend the election proc...
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