<<However, if you cannot see both sides of the argument, then you are making a case for intolerance.>>

Willhelm, you are correct. We need to see both sides and I do understand how a parent might feel when their child comes home one day and, while grabbing a coke, says "Oh Mrs. LadyTeacher told us about masturbation today!" That would be a jolt for a parent who had not approached that particular subject with their child;I can appreciate the knee jerk reaction.

Where my southern blood turns to tabasco is when this group of parents goes 'Mob Crazy' and demands "Criminal Charges"!

I can just see a group of protesters all waving signs while chanting "We don't Jerk-Off! We don't Jerk-off" in ...

<<However, if you cannot see both sides of the argument, then you are making a case for intolerance.>>

Willhelm, you are correct. We need to see both sides and I do understand how a parent might feel when their child comes home one day and, while grabbing a coke, says "Oh Mrs. LadyTeacher told us about masturbation today!" That would be a jolt for a parent who had not approached that particular subject with their child;I can appreciate the knee jerk reaction.

Where my southern blood turns to tabasco is when this group of parents goes 'Mob Crazy' and demands "Criminal Charges"!

I can just see a group of protesters all waving signs while chanting "We don't Jerk-Off! We don't Jerk-off" in unison.

Look, I love my country; born and raised in Louisiana. But what message, what deep subconscious message, are we sending to young adults when we show them that 'some' sexual acts are state approved and others are serious enough to warrant criminal charges brought against a Sex-Ed teacher for even discussing it; IN SEX ED!

Think about the message...oral sex, homosexuality and masturbation - the mere discussion of it - will land a person of authority in jail if parents have their way!

Now ask yourself...which sexual subjects over the last 10 years have been pushed into the mainstream via celebrities, Magazines, Movies and other sources of information?

Masturbation
Oral Sex
and Homosexuality

So its OK for celebs to endorse these...just fine for any magazine to boast on their cover "Blow his $%$! and Blow His Mind!" But let a Sex-Ed teacher try to approach the subject from an intellectual point of view and?

---Evil! Potential Pedophile! Crucify her! Burn Her!---

No wonder our teens are running around dealing with guilt complexes and identity crisis.

Yes...I'm ranting. I apologize. ;o) I was raised in a Christian home with a brother who is a minister so I know the damage that sexual guilt and confusion can have on someone.

Blah....now I need some Malox.

Damien

I agree completely, Digital - for example, I grew up in a very conservative, Christian home (Southern baptist then Non-Denominational/'Spirit-Filled') and I was taught from the get-go that masturbation was evil and a sin that you could go to hell over (that was when it was even mentioned at all!) Due to some family issues (2 step-fathers & a step-brother) in my home, I learned about the 'darker side' of sex and masturbation at the very young age of 3 - after that it was like a light bulb went on and I was awakened to my own sexuality. I can remember finding myself and feeling pleasure as early as 5 (in the bathtub, no less - my mother walked in on me and went NUTS and told me how dirty and s...

I agree completely, Digital - for example, I grew up in a very conservative, Christian home (Southern baptist then Non-Denominational/'Spirit-Filled') and I was taught from the get-go that masturbation was evil and a sin that you could go to hell over (that was when it was even mentioned at all!) Due to some family issues (2 step-fathers & a step-brother) in my home, I learned about the 'darker side' of sex and masturbation at the very young age of 3 - after that it was like a light bulb went on and I was awakened to my own sexuality. I can remember finding myself and feeling pleasure as early as 5 (in the bathtub, no less - my mother walked in on me and went NUTS and told me how dirty and sick that was...so I learned from then on to do it in private behind locked doors). Anyway, I spent my entire childhood and youth feeling so utterly dirty and guilty and it only made my emerging sexuality more confusing and harder to deal with. I developed a fear of intimacy, connection, commitment, physical attention and affection - I even panicked if I was given a gift or trinket from a boy (I usually broke up with them shortly after!) I can't tell you how many church meetings I would sit in the back in fear and panic, in utter terror that the pastor/preacher/visiting evangelist would call me out and say "YOU - in the back! You are going to hell! You are dirty and sick and disgusting! You MASTURBATE! How could you!!!" I just KNEW it was only a matter of time before my secret was out and I would be ostracized and humiliated for my sins. And the sad thing is that I was just maybe 12 or 13.

No one told me it was normal, or okay, or that maybe my tainted views and hang-ups relating to love, sex and my own self esteem stemmed from something as 'small' and simple as not being told the truth about my body - all in the name of religion or morality or some stupid way my culture and even my family thought I needed to be 'raised'.... (continued below)

....and now that I am 30 and have been in a wonderful (and completely committed) relationship for over 13 years (and we plan on having children of our own very soon), my ideas have changed and grown (thankfully!) My soul mate helped me get past my hang-ups and issues with love, patience, understanding & an uncommon strength that is hard to find these days - but I was a lucky one.

So many other millions of people go through their lives in fear, confusion, frustration, guilt and anger and never find a way out. They aren't lucky enough to connect with the few out there who are comfortable in their sexuality & can help them become comfortable with their own. And in turn, they marry someone who...

....and now that I am 30 and have been in a wonderful (and completely committed) relationship for over 13 years (and we plan on having children of our own very soon), my ideas have changed and grown (thankfully!) My soul mate helped me get past my hang-ups and issues with love, patience, understanding & an uncommon strength that is hard to find these days - but I was a lucky one.

So many other millions of people go through their lives in fear, confusion, frustration, guilt and anger and never find a way out. They aren't lucky enough to connect with the few out there who are comfortable in their sexuality & can help them become comfortable with their own. And in turn, they marry someone who is as screwed up, confused and dysfunctional sexually and emotionally, & either they get divorced (which only adds *another* brick in the wall) or they have kids and pass on (usually unknowingly) the same traits - the same fears, guilt, lies, bitterness, anger, self-hatred, low self esteem and confusion about their bodies - that they themselves have. And the cycle keeps going.

And those parents in the article above are doing just that. In their own fear, guilt and confusion to confront their own issues that they have lived with for decades, they force it onto their children (no one likes to be miserable alone, right? Who can stand being around someone happy when you feel like shit-on-a-stick?)

So they do what they only know how to do - pass it on. Continue the cycle of shame. It worked for them, so why won't it work for their kids? Besides, to allow their children to become someone comfortable with their own sexuality & their own bodies would mean that the adults are the ones in the wrong and they would either have to change & evolve or be confronted and reminded on a daily basis of their own misery, shame & the confusion & guilt from a lifetime of self-denial, hiding, or just never finding comfort & peace with their own bodies. Never knowing acceptance. What a waste.

<<This is why it is impossible to communicate with the narcissistic, intellectually trapped Left.>>

Willhelm, I completely respect your opinion, but honestly, when is an 'issue' ever really about that issue, and that issue alone? Everything is connected, one way or another. Everything leads to everything - in one big circle. Cause and Effect - plain and simple. Call it the Butterfly Effect or the Domino Effect, but what starts small gains speed and motion and soon snowballs and encompasses everything.

As far as parental rights - I completely agree that parents should have the right to decide what their children learn and are taught. Now, where I make my point is that what if a parent decid...

<<This is why it is impossible to communicate with the narcissistic, intellectually trapped Left.>>

Willhelm, I completely respect your opinion, but honestly, when is an 'issue' ever really about that issue, and that issue alone? Everything is connected, one way or another. Everything leads to everything - in one big circle. Cause and Effect - plain and simple. Call it the Butterfly Effect or the Domino Effect, but what starts small gains speed and motion and soon snowballs and encompasses everything.

As far as parental rights - I completely agree that parents should have the right to decide what their children learn and are taught. Now, where I make my point is that what if a parent decides their child should no longer live on this planet. They have a right to take a child that they brought into the world and remove them, right? I mean, it was no one else's decision to bring the child into this world....but we would all (or mostly all) agree that that is not an option - you don't kill your kid because you have the right to bring them in so you can take them out.

That's a radical example but my point is that where do you draw the line between a parent's right to do what they want or think is best for their child and what is a faulty or flawed way of thinking on the parent's part?

Does this make any sense? I guess what I'm saying is that while I'm all gung-ho on parental rights, I'm also gung-ho on the child's rights - the freedom to think for themselves, to believe what they choose to believe, to learn and experience what they want to learn and experience.

Why should a teacher be condemned for answering questions that the children are asking? Are they not asking these questions because they WANT to know - they NEED to know - and no one is telling them the truth. The truth is not "you're too young - I'll tell you when you get older..." or "because I say so, that's why!" How does that help a child grown and learn and think for themselves?

Are not the children holding up signs saying - "hey wait! WE asked the questions!!!"

LISTEN to our kids - they are trying to tell us something! We wonder where the youth of this world is headed and what went wrong - and they are standing here in front us trying with all their might to tell us! To ask us, to trust us to tell them the truth or confirm what they already feel inside. And when our guilt, religion, shame, fear - whatever - gets in the way, we only push them further away from us and down the same road we ourselves went.

As for this not being connected to parents' rights - how could it not be? How can you separate one from the other. Does a parent have the right to teach their chi...

Are not the children holding up signs saying - "hey wait! WE asked the questions!!!"

LISTEN to our kids - they are trying to tell us something! We wonder where the youth of this world is headed and what went wrong - and they are standing here in front us trying with all their might to tell us! To ask us, to trust us to tell them the truth or confirm what they already feel inside. And when our guilt, religion, shame, fear - whatever - gets in the way, we only push them further away from us and down the same road we ourselves went.

As for this not being connected to parents' rights - how could it not be? How can you separate one from the other. Does a parent have the right to teach their child to hate? Technically yes. They do it all the time. Is it the best thing for the parent to do? No. Does it benefit the child? No. Does it benefit our society? No.

How is that any different than discussing masturbation and sexuality in relation to what parents' are 'allowing' their child to learn or be exposed to?

By the way - I am not left, nor right. I am not a democrat nor am I a republican. I stand for freedom, honesty and truth - as noble and as grandiose as that may make me sound, my point is that my views and perceptions don't point left or right - for one party or the other. I think everyone has their own right to teach their children what they see fit, but I also say in the same breath that we as parents and as a society need to wake up and realize that we do not always (actually, rarely) teach the pure and honest truth as it is - stripped of all 'morality' - of all politics, religion, and rose-colored views. And when we question what has happened to the youth of the world today, we have no one but ourselves to blame. If we want the right to teach our children, then stand up and do it the right way - what's best for them - not you. If parents have the right, then they also accept the blame. It's a two-way street, people.

digitalsistere. I basically agree with your initial comment on an intellectual level. Where I do not agree is taking the next step of being the intolerance you seem to object to.

First, fearbased mentality? That is your subjective opinion of those taking issue. There are many things I think you and I would both object to having our children indoctrinated by. So do not begrudge someone else for their view.

Second, You have no clue whether the parents objecting were the parents of the kids asking the specific questions in question. You do not know whether the parents you claim are irresponsible are the ones of the children left with these questions.

Third, you do not know the specific nat...

digitalsistere. I basically agree with your initial comment on an intellectual level. Where I do not agree is taking the next step of being the intolerance you seem to object to.

First, fearbased mentality? That is your subjective opinion of those taking issue. There are many things I think you and I would both object to having our children indoctrinated by. So do not begrudge someone else for their view.

Second, You have no clue whether the parents objecting were the parents of the kids asking the specific questions in question. You do not know whether the parents you claim are irresponsible are the ones of the children left with these questions.

Third, you do not know the specific nature of the entirety of the discussion. Perhaps there were some things discussed in a classroom setting that were inappropriate for some. Seeing as how you understand that maturity and intellect differ among a specific poplulation.

Fourth, views on masturbation are irrelevent to the discussion. This should be about the views of the nature and responsibility of educators. I suggest when educators master the abilitry of teaching children how to read, write, and subtract, then they can move on to the heady stuff.

Fifth, There is no such thing as tolerance, just different targets. The comments here prove that.

Sixth, Do you know what this particular school's or district's policy is on sex education? I don't either. Maybe there were some blatant violations. If that is the case, then perhaps some action against the teacher is warranted.

Seven, Why do you care that the State assume the role of this responsibility when it is not the State's responsibility. Are you a fascist?

Eight, This clip is not about sex or maturbation when you get right down to it. It is about parents being able to exercise full authority in the rearing and moral clarity of their children.

Nine,

"Oh my! What has happened to our youth? Where have we gone wrong?"

You do not fix things by making p

.>>First, fearbased mentality? That is your subjective opinion of those taking issue.<<

Willhelm,
Off course it's a fear based mentality, you don't think that is self evident? What was the core motivational driver behind these parents responses? Anger? Betrayal? Name any negative emotion and it will be an extension of fear.

Anger that my child was told something I do not approve of: Is it anger or fear of what may come from your child knowing something you as a parent, do not approve of? Fear of where the knowledge made lead. If there were not a core of fear we would not see such potent reactions. These parents reacted so strongly, because they were afraid of what this could mean or do t...

.>>First, fearbased mentality? That is your subjective opinion of those taking issue.<<

Willhelm,
Off course it's a fear based mentality, you don't think that is self evident? What was the core motivational driver behind these parents responses? Anger? Betrayal? Name any negative emotion and it will be an extension of fear.

Anger that my child was told something I do not approve of: Is it anger or fear of what may come from your child knowing something you as a parent, do not approve of? Fear of where the knowledge made lead. If there were not a core of fear we would not see such potent reactions. These parents reacted so strongly, because they were afraid of what this could mean or do to their preferred way of life. I am not saying this in and of itself is wrong, it's natural to protect that which you love. What I am responding to, is HOW they are wanting to handle this situation. Which is to push 'criminal charges' against the teacher.

Let's say that you are the child and I the state approved teacher whose job it is to educate to the best of my ability. If I approached you and instigated a sexual conversation without permission from you and your parents, then I would be abusing my role as authority figure and temporary guardian. I would be invading and influencing your life without prior invitation.

On the other hand ---

If you approached me and asked a sexual related question, within the context of let's say Sex-Ed class...then wouldn't I be failing in my role as an authority figure and teacher by 'not' answering your question, seeing that I am charged with the responsibility to teach you to the best of my ability? Is masturbation sexual? Is homosexuality sexual? Is oral sex, sexual? If so, then where better to address said subjects than Sex-Ed class?

More responses on the way.
DS

Of course it's a fear based mentality, you don't think that is self evident?

OK. Well at least we are the root of our difference. And in what is the fear based?

Name any negative emotion and it will be an extension of fear.

That is blantantly manipulative. But taken to it's logical conclusion I can only assume you are admitting your own fear. Negative emotions exist outside of fear. Most fear is irrational, true enough, but not unnecessary. I would not want a school to train my child to strap bombs to themselves and blow-up innocent people. Fear has nothing to do wiht that position. It is value-based. And the list goes on...

It seems to me , then, that you ...

Of course it's a fear based mentality, you don't think that is self evident?

OK. Well at least we are the root of our difference. And in what is the fear based?

Name any negative emotion and it will be an extension of fear.

That is blantantly manipulative. But taken to it's logical conclusion I can only assume you are admitting your own fear. Negative emotions exist outside of fear. Most fear is irrational, true enough, but not unnecessary. I would not want a school to train my child to strap bombs to themselves and blow-up innocent people. Fear has nothing to do wiht that position. It is value-based. And the list goes on...

It seems to me , then, that you are the one expressing fear. If there are parents concerned about this issue then it is probably due to the fact that their value-systems have been violated. That is a point of being offended. These are moral grounds. Is there a fear that you have about people having a moral grounding?

If you approached me and asked a sexual related question, within the context of let's say Sex-Ed class...then wouldn't I be failing in my role as an authority figure and teacher by 'not' answering your question, seeing that I am charged with the responsibility to teach you to the best of my ability? Is masturbation sexual? Is homosexuality sexual? Is oral sex, sexual? If so, then where better to address said subjects than Sex-Ed class?

That's really not for you to say. The school board clearly has some rules on the issue. It's called liberty and democracy. If you have an issue, then you should take it up with the board. I'm sure the teacher was aware of the rules.

Anyway, It ...

If you approached me and asked a sexual related question, within the context of let's say Sex-Ed class...then wouldn't I be failing in my role as an authority figure and teacher by 'not' answering your question, seeing that I am charged with the responsibility to teach you to the best of my ability? Is masturbation sexual? Is homosexuality sexual? Is oral sex, sexual? If so, then where better to address said subjects than Sex-Ed class?

That's really not for you to say. The school board clearly has some rules on the issue. It's called liberty and democracy. If you have an issue, then you should take it up with the board. I'm sure the teacher was aware of the rules.

Anyway, It is clear to me now where we differ and it is not my intent to change your mind, or anyone's mind for that matter. The more important thing is knowing how and why we differ.

I trust individuals, parents, and families. You trust committees, teachers, and the status quo.

I see people protecting their rights and values, you see authority placed in the state.

I see a moral issue, you see a cultural issue.

I see parental rights, you apparently support subjugation.

I see a protection of values, you see fear.

I see an issue of rights, you see an issue of sex.

I see an issue about liberty, you see one of social control .

That is blantantly manipulative. But taken to it's logical conclusion I
can only assume you are admitting your own fear. Negative emotions
exist outside of fear. Most fear is irrational, true enough, but not
unnecessary. I would not want a school to train my child to strap bombs
to themselves and blow-up innocent people. Fear has nothing to do wiht
that position. It is value-based. And the list goes on...

Blantantly manipulative? How so? I am completely lost as to how you find what I said manipulative.

As far as admitting my own fear...of course I am. I have a lot of fears. Are you saying you don't?

I trust individuals, parents, and families. You trust committees, te...

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That is blantantly manipulative. But taken to it's logical conclusion I
can only assume you are admitting your own fear. Negative emotions
exist outside of fear. Most fear is irrational, true enough, but not
unnecessary. I would not want a school to train my child to strap bombs
to themselves and blow-up innocent people. Fear has nothing to do wiht
that position. It is value-based. And the list goes on...

Blantantly manipulative? How so? I am completely lost as to how you find what I said manipulative.

As far as admitting my own fear...of course I am. I have a lot of fears. Are you saying you don't?

I trust individuals, parents, and families. You trust committees, teachers, and the status quo.

Actually, it's the opposite Willhelm. I have a natural distrust for any
organized group who tries to create social limitations and control.
Again, how did you draw this conclusion except that it is easier to
place me in a box, draw your protective line in the sand, and not have
to actually answer a legitimate question with a legitimate answer.

Each time I have asked you a
question that might require some internal reflection to answer...you
have resorted to labeling me. I am curious as to why that is? Afraid of something?

I see people protecting their rights and values, you see authority placed in the state.

Again, I am confused. It's possible that during our discussion I might have worded something incorrectly. But in such a way as to entice you to this opinion? I don't think so. Funny thing, is I am 'so' anti state and government control. I offered an example situation whereby we could observe this discussion from different points of view. You apparently took this as an indication of my total world view and belief structure. Similar the parents we are discussing.

Notice how you attempted to label me 'fascist' when I merely offered a friendly challenge to your statements? Why?

Notice how you attempted to label me 'fascist' when I merely offered a friendly challenge to your statements? Why?

I've not done that, but you cleverly have. Bravo. I'm just attempting to find how and why we differ and suggesting how that is. You are the one drawing the earth-shattering conclusions.

you are clearly in circles here. I did not lable you a fascist. I asked if you if you were one. That is one who is a progressive and believes ultimately that the individual should by tied to the State in every regard.

Again, I am confused.

I agree. I think I have made my position on this matter crystal clear. I have even suggested how we might differ, but you ...

Notice how you attempted to label me 'fascist' when I merely offered a friendly challenge to your statements? Why?

I've not done that, but you cleverly have. Bravo. I'm just attempting to find how and why we differ and suggesting how that is. You are the one drawing the earth-shattering conclusions.

you are clearly in circles here. I did not lable you a fascist. I asked if you if you were one. That is one who is a progressive and believes ultimately that the individual should by tied to the State in every regard.

Again, I am confused.

I agree. I think I have made my position on this matter crystal clear. I have even suggested how we might differ, but you see to stilll suggest I am trying to convince you of somethig.

Are you saying that young adults don't have a right to ask a sexually
related question in Sex-ed class and also have the right to expect an
answer?

No! But they are not young adults. Hell, most 30 year olds are not even adults.

Anyway, enough here, I've done nothing but express my view. You are clearly an intolerant statist. You say I place you in a box? Poor, pitiful you. This is what I mean about a dialogue with Leftists. If you feel trapped in a box, or that I a have placed you in one, then perhaps you are.

Anyway, good clip, interesting and important issue, and one that should be discussed more. I just think it should be discussed wihtout bigotry and intolerance.

And just to restate my thoughts since this has turned into a willhelm bash. Apperanty because I think this:

digitalsistere. I
basically agree with your initial comment on an intellectual level.
Where I do not agree is taking the next step of being the intolerance
you seem to object to.

First, fearbased mentality? That is
your subjective opinion of those taking issue. There are many things I
think you and I would both object to having our children indoctrinated
by. So do not begrudge someone else for their view.

Second,
You have no clue whether the parents objecting were the parents of the
kids asking the specific questions in question. You do not know whether
the parents you claim are ...

And just to restate my thoughts since this has turned into a willhelm bash. Apperanty because I think this:

digitalsistere. I
basically agree with your initial comment on an intellectual level.
Where I do not agree is taking the next step of being the intolerance
you seem to object to.

First, fearbased mentality? That is
your subjective opinion of those taking issue. There are many things I
think you and I would both object to having our children indoctrinated
by. So do not begrudge someone else for their view.

Second,
You have no clue whether the parents objecting were the parents of the
kids asking the specific questions in question. You do not know whether
the parents you claim are irresponsible are the ones of the children
left with these questions.

Third, you do not know the specific nat... read more»
digitalsistere. I basically agree with your initial comment on an
intellectual level. Where I do not agree is taking the next step of
being the intolerance you seem to object to.

First, fearbased
mentality? That is your subjective opinion of those taking issue. There
are many things I think you and I would both object to having our
children indoctrinated by. So do not begrudge someone else for their
view.

Second, You have no clue whether the parents objecting
were the parents of the kids asking the specific questions in question.
You do not know whether the parents you claim are irresponsible are the
ones of the children left with these questions.

Third, you do
not know the specific nature of the entirety of the discussion. Perhaps
there were some things discussed in a classroom setting that were
inappropriate for some. Seeing as how you understand that maturity and
intellect differ among a specific poplulation.

Fourth, views on masturbation are irrelevent to the discussion. This should be about the views of the nature and responsibility of educators. I suggest when educators master the abilitry of teaching children how to read, write, and subtract, then they can move on to the heady stuff.

Fifth, There is no such thing as tolerance, just different targets. The comments here prove that.

Sixth, Do you know what this particular school's or district's policy is on sex education? I don't either. Maybe there were some blatant violations. If that is the case, then perhaps some action against the teacher is warranted.

Seven, Why do you care that the State assume the role of this responsibility when it i...

Fourth, views on masturbation are irrelevent to the discussion. This should be about the views of the nature and responsibility of educators. I suggest when educators master the abilitry of teaching children how to read, write, and subtract, then they can move on to the heady stuff.

Fifth, There is no such thing as tolerance, just different targets. The comments here prove that.

Sixth, Do you know what this particular school's or district's policy is on sex education? I don't either. Maybe there were some blatant violations. If that is the case, then perhaps some action against the teacher is warranted.

Seven, Why do you care that the State assume the role of this responsibility when it is not the State's responsibility. Are you a fascist?

Eight, This clip is not about sex or maturbation when you get right down to it. It is about parents being able to exercise full authority in the rearing and moral clarity of their children.

The only thing I agree with digitalsisters is the comment about parents not talking to their children about these things. I think it's sad that a parent is too shy to talk to their own child about something that could affect them for the rest of their life. It's not like they have to explain it in graphic detail with pictures to aid their imagination! Just explain to them what it is and why it's extremely dangerous to abuse. Parents should wake up and realize that if they don't tell their children, their children's own curiosity will lead them to someone else who will tell them. I personally would have preferred to have learned these things from my parents, with a proper explanation of them,...

The only thing I agree with digitalsisters is the comment about parents not talking to their children about these things. I think it's sad that a parent is too shy to talk to their own child about something that could affect them for the rest of their life. It's not like they have to explain it in graphic detail with pictures to aid their imagination! Just explain to them what it is and why it's extremely dangerous to abuse. Parents should wake up and realize that if they don't tell their children, their children's own curiosity will lead them to someone else who will tell them. I personally would have preferred to have learned these things from my parents, with a proper explanation of them, rather then from immature peers. I do not, however, agree with her on the rest of the subject. First of all it was this teacher's responsibilty to know what she could, and could not, tell her students. I think she knew exactly what she was doing, and she knew it was wrong. It's not like these kids wouldn't have learned it from someone else, or that they didn't already know. It's the fact that she was an authority figure, and she was supposed to be the example. She failed. Secondly, if it was against state law, then these parents have every right to press criminal charges. Breaking the law is breaking the law, period. Thirdly I DETEST the remark made about homeschooling. I personally was homeschooled K-12, and I'm here to tell you that it's the best thing my parents ever did for me. I am well educated, I grew up without all the peer pressure garbage, among other things, that other kids had to deal with in public school. I especially appreciate it considering the fact the the only public school in my small town is ranked as one of the worse schools in my state. I was not "brain washed", which I believe is a rediculous notion in it's own right, and I certainly wasn't locked in a church basement. I think that was a completely ignorant and naive comment to make.
Jon

Will:
I see an issue of rights, you see an issue of sex.
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Digital:
Are you saying that young adults don't have a right to ask a sexually related question in Sex-ed class and also have the right to expect an answer? Even if the answer challenged their parents belief system, this would at least give a young adult a more comprehensive bundle of knowledge by which to form their OWN beliefs.

Unless you're advocating that children should not be offered any knowledge other than what their parents approve of?

Then why have sex-ed in the first place?

It seems that in this case, a right to sex education was challenged. Where do you see the separation...

Will:
I see an issue of rights, you see an issue of sex.
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Digital:
Are you saying that young adults don't have a right to ask a sexually related question in Sex-ed class and also have the right to expect an answer? Even if the answer challenged their parents belief system, this would at least give a young adult a more comprehensive bundle of knowledge by which to form their OWN beliefs.

Unless you're advocating that children should not be offered any knowledge other than what their parents approve of?

Then why have sex-ed in the first place?

It seems that in this case, a right to sex education was challenged. Where do you see the separation of the two?
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I know this debate has already ended but I thought I would comment on this remark made by digital. I find so many things disturbing about this comment I hardly know where to begin. First of all, I would like to point out the fact that this teacher was a seventh and eighth grade teacher. These "young adults" are barely teenagers. Some 13 and 14 year olds can be extremely mature for their age, and others can be extremely immature as well. I've seen some that could be classified as a young adult, and I've seen some that are definitely still children. Secondly I would like to point out that minors DO NOT have a legal right to ask ANYONE any type of question and expect an answer, let alone ask a SEXUAL

question from another adult who is not their parent. ESPECIALLY IF THAT ADULT IS THEIR TEACHER. You made it sound like they were being denied a basic human right or something. I don't think your personal opinions about sex education and over bearing parents have any room in this discussion. Another thing that completely blows my mind away is the fact that you missed the whole point of this article. She very possibly BROKE THE LAW by answering these kids' question, does that mean anything to you?? not to mention the fact that she deviated from the core curriculum, so she knew that what she was doing was wrong.

-Unless you're advocation that children should not be offered any knowledge othe...

question from another adult who is not their parent. ESPECIALLY IF THAT ADULT IS THEIR TEACHER. You made it sound like they were being denied a basic human right or something. I don't think your personal opinions about sex education and over bearing parents have any room in this discussion. Another thing that completely blows my mind away is the fact that you missed the whole point of this article. She very possibly BROKE THE LAW by answering these kids' question, does that mean anything to you?? not to mention the fact that she deviated from the core curriculum, so she knew that what she was doing was wrong.

-Unless you're advocation that children should not be offered any knowledge other than what their parents approve on.

You totally brought this completely out of the context of the debate. We're supposed to be talking about the knowledge that a CHILD is recieving from their TEACHER, not ALL the knowledge that is offered to a child. I would certainly advocate the position that a parent has every right, indeed a very legal right, to control the information that is offered to their children by other adults. ESPECIALLY ADULTS THAT ARE AUTHORITY FIGURES.

-Then why have sex-ed in the first place?

I would agree. Why are modern parents allowing other people, people that could very possibly be complete strangers, teach their children about sex? This used to be something that a father would teach his son on a one to one basis, or something a mother would talk to her daughter about. Now parents are so disconnected from their children's lives they expect other people to do this, truly said in my opinion. But this is just my opinion, everyone has the right to do as they will.

-It seems in this case, a right to sex education was challenged. Where do you see the seperation of the two?

Again, I would wonder where you see the union of the two. I would assume by "case" you're once again referring to the article. Again you miss the entire point of the

article, which is not only was she completely out of line by teaching them something that was outside of the core curriculum, but also IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW. Also, what are you implying when you say this? They weren't denied anything, if she had stuck to the core curriculum there wouldn't have been a problem! It seems that you're implying that the curriculum put together by the schools, state and local laws is somehow inadequate. And something else is really bothering me too, what exactly do you mean by "right? What on earth are you talking about when you say "a right to sex education"? What "right"??? Are you talking about a legal right??? or are you talking about how YOU think children sh...

article, which is not only was she completely out of line by teaching them something that was outside of the core curriculum, but also IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW. Also, what are you implying when you say this? They weren't denied anything, if she had stuck to the core curriculum there wouldn't have been a problem! It seems that you're implying that the curriculum put together by the schools, state and local laws is somehow inadequate. And something else is really bothering me too, what exactly do you mean by "right? What on earth are you talking about when you say "a right to sex education"? What "right"??? Are you talking about a legal right??? or are you talking about how YOU think children should be taught??
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I would also like to make this personal comment. I personally believe that it is sad that people think a child needs to be this concerned with sex. I think children so go back to being children. More and more I see kids, and not just teens and pre teens, but 7 and 8 year olds, talking about blowjobs and homosexuals. Why on earth does a 8 year old know about these things? But it's not just children either, it's adults too. The fact is, sex is over rated. It's not what people make it out to be. People let themselves become enslaved by it, some people even define themselves by it. Stop making sex a bigger issue than it needs to be.

I think it's sad that a parent is too shy to talk to their own child
about something that could affect them for the rest of their life. It's
not like they have to explain it in graphic detail with pictures to aid
their imagination! Just explain to them what it is and why it's
extremely dangerous to abuse. Parents should wake up and realize that
if they don't tell their children, their children's own curiosity will
lead them to someone else who will tell them. I personally would have
preferred to have learned these things from my parents, with a proper
explanation of them

In my opinion this is one of the best statements any of us have made so far. I to wish that I had learned ...

I think it's sad that a parent is too shy to talk to their own child
about something that could affect them for the rest of their life. It's
not like they have to explain it in graphic detail with pictures to aid
their imagination! Just explain to them what it is and why it's
extremely dangerous to abuse. Parents should wake up and realize that
if they don't tell their children, their children's own curiosity will
lead them to someone else who will tell them. I personally would have
preferred to have learned these things from my parents, with a proper
explanation of them

In my opinion this is one of the best statements any of us have made so far. I to wish that I had learned from my parents the vast world of sexuality. But, they were to shy to talk to me about. So I learned on my own.

I personally was homeschooled K-12, and I'm here to tell you that it's the best thing my parents ever did for me.

Another gift I wish I had been given. Unfortunately my parents didn't have the right education to legally offer homeschool. A gift we are giving our children. You are very blessed to have parents that have both the intellect and insight to make such a learning environment available to you.

I think that was a completely ignorant and naive comment to make.

Perhaps. I'm sure many would agree with you and many would disagree with you. Depends on a lot of factors. For me personally, it was a metaphor meant for a very specific context and situation; not a universal judgment. Which I obviously dropped the ball and should have clarified the context. For that, my apologies to everyone.

These "young adults" are barely teenagers. Some 13 and 14 year olds can
be extremely mature for their age, and others can be extremely immature
as well.

Quite true. But this does not change the fact that social and mental maturity plays anything other than a minor role in sexual awareness. Maturity is being able to use wisdom and good judgment in making decisions for yourself, not the level of awareness you have regarding your body chemistry.

For a moment, lets toss opinions aside. It's a common, easy to research fact that sexual awareness (being aware of pleasure in the genital area) begins during the first few years following birth. No, it's not as dominant in the awarene...

These "young adults" are barely teenagers. Some 13 and 14 year olds can
be extremely mature for their age, and others can be extremely immature
as well.

Quite true. But this does not change the fact that social and mental maturity plays anything other than a minor role in sexual awareness. Maturity is being able to use wisdom and good judgment in making decisions for yourself, not the level of awareness you have regarding your body chemistry.

For a moment, lets toss opinions aside. It's a common, easy to research fact that sexual awareness (being aware of pleasure in the genital area) begins during the first few years following birth. No, it's not as dominant in the awareness as it is when a child goes through puberty, but it is there. This is not an opinion.

Unfortunately for most, brain/body chemistry doesn't check in with the maturity levels of an individual and get the OK, before it kicks in. So when you assume that because a young adult doesn't act their age in social contexts, that their body hormones aren't raging - is denial.

Secondly I would like to point out that minors DO NOT have a legal
right to ask ANYONE any type of question and expect an answer, let
alone ask a SEXUAL

Scary. So if a child is lost...he or she has no right to ask for help?
No right to ask directions, because they aren't....what? Eighteen? So
children are to wait until their told it's ok before they can have any
free thought and curiosity about their world and bodies.

She very possibly BROKE THE LAW by answering these kids' question, does
that mean anything to you?? not to mention the fact that she deviated
from the core curriculum, so she knew that what she was doing was wrong.

Which part? That she broke the law or answered their questions?

And life...real life, the kind we all are participating in 'right now' is not curriculum based. Structure, yes. No practical curriculum. So how can one learn to live in a world with no curriculum,

I think you have it right, Digtalsistere, chilren need to be listened to and have their questions answered. If that's against the law, then the law is wrong and should be repealed.
And at the risk of name calling--don't listen to that troglodyte Willie. He just likes to see his own words in print and this is the only place he can call everybody "lefty's" and think he's smarter than the average fool. Our fellow clipper, Ratlifar (I hope it's OK to share R) showed me some very revealing things about our brother Wilhelm here:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/troglodyte.htm
Look in the flame warrior roster under Troglodyte, Ferrous Cranus and Profundus Maximus.
Willie picks more nit...

I think you have it right, Digtalsistere, chilren need to be listened to and have their questions answered. If that's against the law, then the law is wrong and should be repealed.
And at the risk of name calling--don't listen to that troglodyte Willie. He just likes to see his own words in print and this is the only place he can call everybody "lefty's" and think he's smarter than the average fool. Our fellow clipper, Ratlifar (I hope it's OK to share R) showed me some very revealing things about our brother Wilhelm here:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/troglodyte.htm
Look in the flame warrior roster under Troglodyte, Ferrous Cranus and Profundus Maximus.
Willie picks more nits than a monkey on speed in a flea circus every time he comments, confusing the issue more than clarifying anything.

And, for the third time, what are those comments everyone has a problem with?

Willhelm, can you not clearly see that the problem is not with your comments or ideas, but with your treatment of anyone disagreeing with you. If we didn't welcome differences of opinion, why in the hell would we be here? I personally have three businesses to run and national MMA competition to train for...If I didn't have a sincere interest in connecting with new people and discussing real issues I could easily be doing other things. But I make that sacrifice in order to make myself available to learn from new people...with new ideas.

Look back from the very first post on this topic...who was the f...

And, for the third time, what are those comments everyone has a problem with?

Willhelm, can you not clearly see that the problem is not with your comments or ideas, but with your treatment of anyone disagreeing with you. If we didn't welcome differences of opinion, why in the hell would we be here? I personally have three businesses to run and national MMA competition to train for...If I didn't have a sincere interest in connecting with new people and discussing real issues I could easily be doing other things. But I make that sacrifice in order to make myself available to learn from new people...with new ideas.

Look back from the very first post on this topic...who was the first person to resort to name calling? Who was the first person to get defensive? If you can't answer that question honestly or if you respond with another finger pointing attack...save your time. I won't bother reading a single post of yours from now on. I will accept that you are wasting my time and attention when I could be investing those in other people on here that have a true desire to learn and share what they know.

Willhelm, can you not clearly see that the problem is not with your
comments or ideas, but with your treatment of anyone disagreeing with
you.

And please point out that "treatment". Other than my comment to booty, who clearly has some comprehension problems, who is really mistreating who for their disagreement? Remember, everyone up to jmjones agrees with you, as did I. And to my earlier point about the sticking to the issue. Who made the issue Me? I was making the issue clarity and I was perfectly fine to accept our differences on an intellectual level, but then you say our differences are not clear. So, there must be some underlying agenda, or perhaps even bigotry, behind y...

Willhelm, can you not clearly see that the problem is not with your
comments or ideas, but with your treatment of anyone disagreeing with
you.

And please point out that "treatment". Other than my comment to booty, who clearly has some comprehension problems, who is really mistreating who for their disagreement? Remember, everyone up to jmjones agrees with you, as did I. And to my earlier point about the sticking to the issue. Who made the issue Me? I was making the issue clarity and I was perfectly fine to accept our differences on an intellectual level, but then you say our differences are not clear. So, there must be some underlying agenda, or perhaps even bigotry, behind your views since we can not maintain an intellectual disagreement without yours and everyone else's personal attacks. But then again, I am used to it. The Clipmarks agenda of the tyranny of opinion in action. Try removing your over-engaged sensativity. There is nothing more ugly than Leftists feeling intellectually inferior.

Try re-reading the thread.
Remove your personal bias and overly-sensitive reception.
Read objectively.

Now, what is the freakin' problem?

Willie, can you spell "obtuse"?

I'm sorry, what was that?

Who was the first person to get defensive?

Your perception. This entire thread is about everyone, but me, getting defensive. Laugher!

Troglodyte Will-asleep-at-the-helm

Hmmm?

Yup, I recognized Willy immediately.

I know. My good looks are hard to miss.

don't listen to that troglodyte Willie. He just likes to see his own
words in print and this is the only place he can call everybody
"lefty's" and think he's smarter than the average fool.

That must mak me an above average fool. L-O-L!

This mentality may have functioned in another century, but not t...

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Willie, can you spell "obtuse"?

I'm sorry, what was that?

Who was the first person to get defensive?

Your perception. This entire thread is about everyone, but me, getting defensive. Laugher!

Troglodyte Will-asleep-at-the-helm

Hmmm?

Yup, I recognized Willy immediately.

I know. My good looks are hard to miss.

don't listen to that troglodyte Willie. He just likes to see his own
words in print and this is the only place he can call everybody
"lefty's" and think he's smarter than the average fool.

That must mak me an above average fool. L-O-L!

This mentality may have functioned in another century, but not this one

It is interesting this attack did not accompany a response to my comment.

Lets get back on track and just ignore Will. Let that sad sack go and derail another thread.

Examples please? It seems the talk moves along just fine when engaged in by the right clippers who share kleenex.

you might want to change your handle if you want to be taken seriously.

Huh?

You are getting bashed because youre a prick. It's not hard.

Double whammy. Good one!

You are so obvious with what you are willy. I wonder what little insecure remarks you will have next.

Insecurity is such a tragedy. It is "fear-based" ya know.

A person can't be offended if they don't take others seriously.

It is inhumane not to take people seriously in the appropriate context. But we all know that doesn't apply in this context. Right?

Of course you can't fathom reading anything psychological Willy, it's because you talk out of your arse.

I did try it once.

Willy, why are you the only mate on here that has resorted to name
calling? You sound like a child thats had a brother make him look daft
and the best you can do is call your mate a booger.

I'm rollong!

Ah, and the labels continue. Ok, w

I don't know how they decide who participates in a sex ed class in the
location mentioned in the clip but when my children were in school a
permission slip was sent home. I had the opportinity to check over the
curiculum and then decide whether it was OK. If I felt the answers
given to the children was not age appropriate or the teacher was not
relaying the information in an appropriate manner I could remove my
children from the class.

I like this concept. I feel that this is a good compromise. This gives the parents a chance to see exactly what is being taught and opens a door for them to deal with special subjects in a way that is congruent with their beliefs and family str...

I don't know how they decide who participates in a sex ed class in the
location mentioned in the clip but when my children were in school a
permission slip was sent home. I had the opportinity to check over the
curiculum and then decide whether it was OK. If I felt the answers
given to the children was not age appropriate or the teacher was not
relaying the information in an appropriate manner I could remove my
children from the class.

I like this concept. I feel that this is a good compromise. This gives the parents a chance to see exactly what is being taught and opens a door for them to deal with special subjects in a way that is congruent with their beliefs and family structure while not attempting to shield their children from aspects of life that are not going away.

I think if a child is old enough to ask a
question, they are old enough to hear the answer.

Sounds like a good, practical approach. Children aren't nerve dead robots that go through life void of all mental and physical stimulation. They will be curious and they will ask questions. Some of those questions will be easy to deal with, others will hit our fears and confusion buttons. This is especially true as with each passing year the social and mental gap between parent and child tends to widen.

digital:
Quite true. But this does not change the fact that social and mental maturity plays anything other than a minor role in sexual awareness. Maturity is being able to use wisdom and good judgment in making decisions for yourself, not the level of awareness you have regarding your body chemistry.

For a moment, lets toss opinions aside. It's a common, easy to research fact that sexual awareness (being aware of pleasure in the genital area) begins during the first few years following birth. No, it's not as dominant in the awareness as it is when a child goes through puberty, but it is there. This is not an opinion.

Unfortunately for most, brain/body chemistry doesn't check in with the m...

digital:
Quite true. But this does not change the fact that social and mental maturity plays anything other than a minor role in sexual awareness. Maturity is being able to use wisdom and good judgment in making decisions for yourself, not the level of awareness you have regarding your body chemistry.

For a moment, lets toss opinions aside. It's a common, easy to research fact that sexual awareness (being aware of pleasure in the genital area) begins during the first few years following birth. No, it's not as dominant in the awareness as it is when a child goes through puberty, but it is there. This is not an opinion.

Unfortunately for most, brain/body chemistry doesn't check in with the maturity levels of an individual and get the OK, before it kicks in. So when you assume that because a young adult doesn't act their age in social contexts, that their body hormones aren't raging - is denial.
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I agree with you that children are aware of sexuality at a very young age, it's impossible not to be in this culture unless you're a hermit. I agree that maturity is the ability to make good and wise judgment for yourself. Children do not have this ability, which is why they need a guardian to protect them until they do have that ability. That's what being a parent is supposed to be about. This is ideal. This is not always the case in our imperfect world.

These "young adults" are barely teenagers. Some 13 and 14 year olds can
be extremely mature for their age, and others can be extremely immature
as well.

I would like to point out that you took this comment completely out of context. If you put the comment back into context you will notice that I was pointing out that you kept referring to these students as young adults. We need to remember that these were not high school students, they were seventh and eighth graders. Some of the students in that class could have been as young as twelve, not to mention that these students could have had friends as young as ten. We need to keep in mind that students at this age are extremely vunerable, they ...

These "young adults" are barely teenagers. Some 13 and 14 year olds can
be extremely mature for their age, and others can be extremely immature
as well.

I would like to point out that you took this comment completely out of context. If you put the comment back into context you will notice that I was pointing out that you kept referring to these students as young adults. We need to remember that these were not high school students, they were seventh and eighth graders. Some of the students in that class could have been as young as twelve, not to mention that these students could have had friends as young as ten. We need to keep in mind that students at this age are extremely vunerable, they are making their first transitions into adulthood. Changes are happening physically, emotionally, socially, and spiritually. Events that take place during this time can very much determine the type of person they will become

Setting boundaries? Do you really, truly believe that because you don't want them to know about something...makes it so? Set all the boundaries you want...they will only be in your mind. Another humans body chemistry and development couldn't care less about what makes you comfortable or not. This mentality may have functioned in another century, but not this one. Not when images and songs that stimulate sexual awareness fill our daily lives.
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I want to clarify before I say this that I'm not trying to be offensive in any way, this is my opinion toward your attitude and is not meant to be taken personally. I find your way of thinking extremely dist...

Setting boundaries? Do you really, truly believe that because you don't want them to know about something...makes it so? Set all the boundaries you want...they will only be in your mind. Another humans body chemistry and development couldn't care less about what makes you comfortable or not. This mentality may have functioned in another century, but not this one. Not when images and songs that stimulate sexual awareness fill our daily lives.
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I want to clarify before I say this that I'm not trying to be offensive in any way, this is my opinion toward your attitude and is not meant to be taken personally. I find your way of thinking extremely disturbing, at least within the context that I'm interpreting it. First of all I don't like the fact that you keep mixing science with social issues. Science and social issues mix like oil and water. You keep using statistics, and what scientists say about the human body to come to your conclusions. Children, well human beings in general for that matter, are not a statistic. We are not numbers, and we are not computers that simply lack the right programming. You also seem to think that all children have horrible, power hungry tyrants for parents that want to lock them up in a padded cell for the rest of their lives. Maybe the parents mentioned in this article did explain to their children what they felt they should know about these issues. Maybe they felt they were still too young to handle the truth of these issues, maybe they didn't want to steal their childhood from them by placing to heavy a burden on them. This teacher in question completely disregarded what these parents might have thought about this subject. If she felt that this was something the students should learn, she should have had a meeting with the parents and explained to them what the problem was. She shouldn't have abused her authority as a teacher.

Also, should parents really just throw away all the boundaries that they set for their children just because they assume that they will break them?? Of course a child's curiosity is going to move them to cross boundaries that parents set for them, their human. That's why that boundary is there! It's like a line in the sand that says "Don't step any further, you'll get hurt if you do!". If the child does step over the boundary, and get hurt, they understand why that boundary was put there, and then maybe they'll be less likely to do it again in the future. I mean think about the kind of world we would live in if we had this mentality you seem so fond of! Let's just forget about all of our law...

Also, should parents really just throw away all the boundaries that they set for their children just because they assume that they will break them?? Of course a child's curiosity is going to move them to cross boundaries that parents set for them, their human. That's why that boundary is there! It's like a line in the sand that says "Don't step any further, you'll get hurt if you do!". If the child does step over the boundary, and get hurt, they understand why that boundary was put there, and then maybe they'll be less likely to do it again in the future. I mean think about the kind of world we would live in if we had this mentality you seem so fond of! Let's just forget about all of our laws, people are going to break them anyway. Let's forget about punishing murderers, thieves, rapists, and pedophiles, people are just going to do it anyway! so why try? If all had this mentality the world would have no order, it would be utter chaos.

Another humans body chemistry and development couldn't care less about what makes you comfortable or not.

Again I may be taking what you're saying out of context, so I apoligize in advance if I am. You seem to think that there's something wrong with a parent finding the subject of sex an inappropriate, or in your words "uncomfortable", topic for their children. Yes parents do need to explain to them what these things are, and they do need to talk to their kids, but obviously parents are going to be uncomfortable with it! I would think that it's just natural for a parent to be uncomfortable about this subject. Actually I think it would be kind of creepy if a paren...

Another humans body chemistry and development couldn't care less about what makes you comfortable or not.

Again I may be taking what you're saying out of context, so I apoligize in advance if I am. You seem to think that there's something wrong with a parent finding the subject of sex an inappropriate, or in your words "uncomfortable", topic for their children. Yes parents do need to explain to them what these things are, and they do need to talk to their kids, but obviously parents are going to be uncomfortable with it! I would think that it's just natural for a parent to be uncomfortable about this subject. Actually I think it would be kind of creepy if a parent wasn't uncomfortable, or at least extremely careful, about the subject

I don't know how they decide who participates in a sex ed class in the location mentioned in the clip but when my children were in school a permission slip was sent home. I had the opportinity to check over the curiculum and then decide whether it was OK. If I felt the answers given to the children was not age appropriate or the teacher was not relaying the information in an appropriate manner I could remove my children from the class.

Now this is what I'm talking about!!! A parent taking an active part in their child's life and determining what would be appropriate, and what would not be appropriate, for their child to learn. In my opinion this is what the teacher in question ...

I don't know how they decide who participates in a sex ed class in the location mentioned in the clip but when my children were in school a permission slip was sent home. I had the opportinity to check over the curiculum and then decide whether it was OK. If I felt the answers given to the children was not age appropriate or the teacher was not relaying the information in an appropriate manner I could remove my children from the class.

Now this is what I'm talking about!!! A parent taking an active part in their child's life and determining what would be appropriate, and what would not be appropriate, for their child to learn. In my opinion this is what the teacher in question should have done before she answered those questions, but local laws and customs are different, so it all depends.

I think if a child is old enough to ask a question, they are old enough to hear the answer.

Ok, I'm going to take a deep breath and try extremely hard not to take this out of context. Here it goes. I would certainly hope that you do not hold this as a universal principal. I would think that this depends entirely on the individual child in question. Kept within the context of this article, and depending on the individual, you could be right. Taken outside of the context of this article, however, this would be the most rediculous notion I've ever heard in my entire life!

Example: (and this is a perfect example because this is my own personal experience)

A child is playing in a playground with his sibling and mother. Child climbs to a secluded area behind a structure and sees graffiti on the wall. Curious, he starts reading what the graffiti says. He sees certain sexual terms, such as 'blowjob'. Child asks the parent later what on earth 'blowjob' means.

Are you telling me you're going to answer that question just because it was asked?!

A child is playing in a playground with his sibling and mother. Child
climbs to a secluded area behind a structure and sees graffiti on the
wall. Curious, he starts reading what the graffiti says. He sees
certain sexual terms, such as 'blowjob'. Child asks the parent later
what on earth 'blowjob' means.

Are you telling me you're going to answer that question just because it was asked?!

I personally think you could answer that in a way that is truthful without being explicit. Something along the lines of 'It's something that two people do together that might be a little confusing for you right now. So you want some Pizza?"

With something like this you ...

A child is playing in a playground with his sibling and mother. Child
climbs to a secluded area behind a structure and sees graffiti on the
wall. Curious, he starts reading what the graffiti says. He sees
certain sexual terms, such as 'blowjob'. Child asks the parent later
what on earth 'blowjob' means.

Are you telling me you're going to answer that question just because it was asked?!

I personally think you could answer that in a way that is truthful without being explicit. Something along the lines of 'It's something that two people do together that might be a little confusing for you right now. So you want some Pizza?"

With something like this you don't dodge the question but you aren't frying their little circuts either. Just my opinion.

I've been around kids - They ask the darndest things. If they were in a sex ed class (Which I allowed my children to take - but we discussed it at home too) then I would expect all questions asked to be answered. It is called SEX EDUCATION right?
The age of the children should not be the issue. The issue is why are such young children questioning such concepts in the first place.

article said:

by responding to questions from students about topics beyond the core curriculum, including homosexual sex, oral sex and masturbation.

Since the 'core' curriculum didn't address the concepts the children had questions about the subject that prevails in their world around them. To NOT answer...

I've been around kids - They ask the darndest things. If they were in a sex ed class (Which I allowed my children to take - but we discussed it at home too) then I would expect all questions asked to be answered. It is called SEX EDUCATION right?
The age of the children should not be the issue. The issue is why are such young children questioning such concepts in the first place.

article said:

by responding to questions from students about topics beyond the core curriculum, including homosexual sex, oral sex and masturbation.

Since the 'core' curriculum didn't address the concepts the children had questions about the subject that prevails in their world around them. To NOT answer their questions would be alienating and deceptive. Since the core subject matter wasn't realistic to them they had questions. They had questions. I'll bet they have even more questions they didn't ask yet.
For or against homosexuality, oral sex or masturbation they need answers to their questions. They will get them somewhere - Most likely by experimentation.
Are sex toys and stimulation techniques taught?
How about the Kama Sutra?
Do they teach what love thru sex is all about?
Is the core curriculum based on zygotes and sperm and egg? That should be biology not sex ed.

That was an attack in response to an emotion about willhelm's comment stream. It was a way of expressing themselves to cause distress to willhelm that won't work because like me willhelm says what he thinks and really doesn't care what anyone else thinks. He can be brutal but thats why I like him - The world is brutal, it doesn't care about you and your little life. It has been here long before you and will be here long after you are dust.
To read some peoples responses is like watching a predictable movie. When it is all over and done with the actors go home and are completely different people. The ideals stay awhile longer but they fade away too, eventualy the film rots in a dark room for...

That was an attack in response to an emotion about willhelm's comment stream. It was a way of expressing themselves to cause distress to willhelm that won't work because like me willhelm says what he thinks and really doesn't care what anyone else thinks. He can be brutal but thats why I like him - The world is brutal, it doesn't care about you and your little life. It has been here long before you and will be here long after you are dust.
To read some peoples responses is like watching a predictable movie. When it is all over and done with the actors go home and are completely different people. The ideals stay awhile longer but they fade away too, eventualy the film rots in a dark room forgotten on a shelf by new ideals and fresh actors. After awhile it all blurs into a repeated knockoff that was once something fresh and new.
We are little feeble minds with delusions of grandure and noone can tell they are effected. It's all actually quite funny!

I certainly hope that the person who made this comment doesn't think an
individual shouldn't have his own set of beliefs, that we should all
just 'go with the flow'. I seem to recall that happening when a mad man
named Adolph Hitler decided the German race was surperior and murdered
six million Jews.

For cryin' out loud, jmjoness, that is nothing new in a comment directed at me. You seem to have missed all the rest of the personal attacks. Yet, no one tells me how my being "out of step" has resulted in me issuing personal attacks that I documented toward me. Clipmarks is a haven for the tyranny of opinion. Discussion is only valid if you don't make others feel ignoran or point ...

I certainly hope that the person who made this comment doesn't think an
individual shouldn't have his own set of beliefs, that we should all
just 'go with the flow'. I seem to recall that happening when a mad man
named Adolph Hitler decided the German race was surperior and murdered
six million Jews.

For cryin' out loud, jmjoness, that is nothing new in a comment directed at me. You seem to have missed all the rest of the personal attacks. Yet, no one tells me how my being "out of step" has resulted in me issuing personal attacks that I documented toward me. Clipmarks is a haven for the tyranny of opinion. Discussion is only valid if you don't make others feel ignoran or point out their ignorance.

Besides, you may notice in my comments that my intent is "clarity and understanding" on difference. That should be the goal of every discussion. It seems everyone else's agenda is convincing . Typical narcissism.

Skwirl, Thanks. I do care though. I just care more about understanding than convincing. What I do not care about is how people view me for my views and questions.

I've been around kids - They ask the darndest things. If they were in a
sex ed class (Which I allowed my children to take - but we discussed it
at home too) then I would expect all questions asked to be answered. It
is called SEX EDUCATION right?

I keep seeing this and it seems like a very ill thought out notion to me. First of all, we don't know what the circumstances were in this particular case. We don't know what the local laws were. We don't know what the school board approved. We don't know exactly what questions were asked, and what questions were answered. It seems to me that this particular local community had decided what they believed was appr...

I've been around kids - They ask the darndest things. If they were in a
sex ed class (Which I allowed my children to take - but we discussed it
at home too) then I would expect all questions asked to be answered. It
is called SEX EDUCATION right?

I keep seeing this and it seems like a very ill thought out notion to me. First of all, we don't know what the circumstances were in this particular case. We don't know what the local laws were. We don't know what the school board approved. We don't know exactly what questions were asked, and what questions were answered. It seems to me that this particular local community had decided what they believed was appropriate for their children, and it seems to me that this teacher violated that. It's like I said before, if these kids just really wanted an explanation, and this teacher really thought they needed an answer, she should have discussed it with parent of the students, and the school board, first. Instead she complete disregarded their wishes and abused her authority. She broke the law, and hopefully will be punished for it.

I just care more about understanding than convincing. What I do not care about is how people view me for my views and questions.

Thats what I meant - I care about my opinions too.
I know you care or you wouldn't even try.

the age of a child would play an importan role in the issue!

My point is that 7th and 8th graders are no longer those innocent little zygotes we were. The fact that they even asked the questions amazes me. What ever happened to playing or hiking and shit like that?
Granted - I experimented with my neighbor girl's body under the porch when I was 5 but I am an advanced human. My parents were alcoholics and never around. I grew up fast and hard....

I just care more about understanding than convincing. What I do not care about is how people view me for my views and questions.

Thats what I meant - I care about my opinions too.
I know you care or you wouldn't even try.

the age of a child would play an importan role in the issue!

My point is that 7th and 8th graders are no longer those innocent little zygotes we were. The fact that they even asked the questions amazes me. What ever happened to playing or hiking and shit like that?
Granted - I experimented with my neighbor girl's body under the porch when I was 5 but I am an advanced human. My parents were alcoholics and never around. I grew up fast and hard.
I say take a good hard look at the world your children see and hear and see just how innocent they are.

It seems to me that this particular local community had decided
what they believed was appropriate for their children, and it seems to
me that this teacher violated that

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed this part. To reiterate, I've been saying all along that this is completely opinionated. In fact when you think about it everything is. I specifically stated that it seemed to me that this particular local community had decided (in other words wrote into law) what they believed was appropriate for their children. I seems to me that this is the case since it specifically mentions in the article that the parents are press...

It seems to me that this particular local community had decided
what they believed was appropriate for their children, and it seems to
me that this teacher violated that

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed this part. To reiterate, I've been saying all along that this is completely opinionated. In fact when you think about it everything is. I specifically stated that it seemed to me that this particular local community had decided (in other words wrote into law) what they believed was appropriate for their children. I seems to me that this is the case since it specifically mentions in the article that the parents are pressing charges against the teacher for potentially violating the law. If she didn't violate local law, and she didn't violate the school's policy, and she didn't violate the parent's expressed wishes, then she didn't do anything wrong.

The world is brutal, it doesn't care about you and your little life. It has been here long before you and will be here long after you are dust.

You're right, the world is brutal. It's brutal because the people who believe it to be a horrible place make it that way because that's what they believe! They put themselves on auto pilot and never look for a way out! They've given up, and lost hope.

We are little feeble minds with delusions of grandure and noone can tell they are effected. It's all actually quite funny!

I don't see what you think is funny about all this. I find it be a serious subject matter, maybe it's just me though.

That is unless it was on...

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The world is brutal, it doesn't care about you and your little life. It has been here long before you and will be here long after you are dust.

You're right, the world is brutal. It's brutal because the people who believe it to be a horrible place make it that way because that's what they believe! They put themselves on auto pilot and never look for a way out! They've given up, and lost hope.

We are little feeble minds with delusions of grandure and noone can tell they are effected. It's all actually quite funny!

I don't see what you think is funny about all this. I find it be a serious subject matter, maybe it's just me though.

That is unless it was one of our little snowflakes and out local school district in our little fugged up community.

You keep referring to things as being 'fugged up'. Maybe you should try doing your part in your community and life so that it isn't that way anymore.

But we see this shit and identify with the possibility it "COULD BE" our fugged up little zygote. Then we get to spout off how we would react.

I must say that I find your attitude toward children is extremely disturbing. I thought you were referring to other people's attitude, but obviously I was wrong about that. I don't consider children to be "snowflakes' or 'fugged up zygotes'. No wonder our children are so lost if that's how they're parents feel about them.

Pretty Kool Eh?

No, not reall, I don't find anything 'cool' about this.

My parents were alcoholics and never around. I grew up fast and hard. I say take a good hard look at the world your children see and hear and see just how innocent they are.

Well I can certainly symphathise with you there. My dad was an alchoholic growing up. He wasn't the worse dad in the world, but he could have done a lot better. I would just hope that as a parent you're trying to be better than yours were, otherwise you're no better than they were. That's wh

She tried to TEACH

She TRIED to answer questions about the subject she was teaching.

Did she sign a contract stating she would only teach certain things? If she did and she violated that contract then she is liable for what she taught. We all know that in today's world people who think outside the box are often rewarded. Perhaps she was thinking outside the box? Who really knows but her?

Yes she tried to teach. Yes she answered legitimate questions being asked by the children. Yes it was part of the over all subject matter, though not part of the core curriculum. These are all the reasons why I dont agree with parents allowing complete strangers to t...

She tried to TEACH

She TRIED to answer questions about the subject she was teaching.

Did she sign a contract stating she would only teach certain things? If she did and she violated that contract then she is liable for what she taught. We all know that in today's world people who think outside the box are often rewarded. Perhaps she was thinking outside the box? Who really knows but her?

Yes she tried to teach. Yes she answered legitimate questions being asked by the children. Yes it was part of the over all subject matter, though not part of the core curriculum. These are all the reasons why I dont agree with parents allowing complete strangers to teach their children something that they should be teaching them. But that is my opinion. it seems to me that there were established rules and laws guarding what she could and could not teach these children. I've already gone over all of this, I'm not going to reiterate everything. I have done my best to draw the line between opinion and what the law is, like I said above I don't believe one's opinion has anything to do with wether or not the teacher should be punished for what she did. It all hinges on wether or not she broke the law.

You're right, the world is brutal. It's brutal because the people who believe it to be a horrible place make it that way because that's what they believe! They put themselves on auto pilot and never look for a way out! They've given up, and lost hope.

Yup, thats me, I had dreams once. Come live in my nightmare.

I don't see what you think is funny about all this. I find it be a serious subject matter, maybe it's just me though.

FUNNY, Its the saddest thing. Its likely the foremost destructive thing we can do to ourselves.

Maybe you should try doing your part in your community and life so that it isn't that way anymore.

I dont want to be part of the co...

You're right, the world is brutal. It's brutal because the people who believe it to be a horrible place make it that way because that's what they believe! They put themselves on auto pilot and never look for a way out! They've given up, and lost hope.

Yup, thats me, I had dreams once. Come live in my nightmare.

I don't see what you think is funny about all this. I find it be a serious subject matter, maybe it's just me though.

FUNNY, Its the saddest thing. Its likely the foremost destructive thing we can do to ourselves.

Maybe you should try doing your part in your community and life so that it isn't that way anymore.

I dont want to be part of the community I ma forced to be.

I thought you were referring to other people's attitude, but obviously I was wrong about that. I don't consider children to be "snowflakes' or 'fugged up zygotes'. No wonder our children are so lost if that's how they're parents feel about them.

LOL, I love my kids tremendously - look at my clips- I don't like peoples kids that can't do wrong and are always given the benefit of the doubt. When I was a kid - I sucked

No, not reall, I don't find anything 'cool' about this.

Perhaps someone will wake up. I've tried the direct action and perfect statement - people ignore that - but if you word things just so - it pisses them off and they are forced to examine their own situations.

Well I can certainly symphathise with you there

Sympathy wont bring anything back or rewrite history. I don't desire it nor your understanding. I don't want anything because noone can give me what I really want. As for my parenting skills - read my clips - all 5000 and read my comments and read behind and between the lines. You will see that I hold my truths to be self evident. I am true to myself and ...

No, not reall, I don't find anything 'cool' about this.

Perhaps someone will wake up. I've tried the direct action and perfect statement - people ignore that - but if you word things just so - it pisses them off and they are forced to examine their own situations.

Well I can certainly symphathise with you there

Sympathy wont bring anything back or rewrite history. I don't desire it nor your understanding. I don't want anything because noone can give me what I really want. As for my parenting skills - read my clips - all 5000 and read my comments and read behind and between the lines. You will see that I hold my truths to be self evident. I am true to myself and I understand that nobody really, truly understands me.

We are little feeble minds with delusions of grandure and noone can tell they are effected. It's all actually quite funny!

FUNNY, Its the saddest thing. Its likely the foremost destructive thing we can do to ourselves.

These two comments were both made by you. Maybe I'm an ignorant fool and utterly devoid of human reasoning, but I tend to have more faith in myself than that. You seem to be contadicting yourself here, or maybe you're retracting what you said in the first comment? It seems to me like you're saying that people are just deluding themselves by trying to improve the world around them. That a good life is 'grandure dilusion'. I guess it w...

We are little feeble minds with delusions of grandure and noone can tell they are effected. It's all actually quite funny!

FUNNY, Its the saddest thing. Its likely the foremost destructive thing we can do to ourselves.

These two comments were both made by you. Maybe I'm an ignorant fool and utterly devoid of human reasoning, but I tend to have more faith in myself than that. You seem to be contadicting yourself here, or maybe you're retracting what you said in the first comment? It seems to me like you're saying that people are just deluding themselves by trying to improve the world around them. That a good life is 'grandure dilusion'. I guess it would be if you live life with that attitude. Life is whatever you make it out to be, you have the power to choose your destiny. If it hasn't met your expectations maybe you should improve it so that it will.

Maybe I'm an ignorant fool and utterly devoid of human reasoning

That would be your opinion only, not mine - I don't think like that.

you have the power to choose your destiny

STOP
NO YOU DON'T.

My statements were meant to be facetious. I was trying to illicit a response and it worked. Try thinking three levels deeper, put a backwards spin on it and you will get it. Its a flaw I learned long ago- I don't believe the general public can handle the truth - clipmarks is general public.

If it hasn't met your expectations maybe you should improve it so that it will.

Work hard, be dedicated, choose the path
Guess what - been there done that. X10 You spe...

Maybe I'm an ignorant fool and utterly devoid of human reasoning

That would be your opinion only, not mine - I don't think like that.

you have the power to choose your destiny

STOP
NO YOU DON'T.

My statements were meant to be facetious. I was trying to illicit a response and it worked. Try thinking three levels deeper, put a backwards spin on it and you will get it. Its a flaw I learned long ago- I don't believe the general public can handle the truth - clipmarks is general public.

If it hasn't met your expectations maybe you should improve it so that it will.

Work hard, be dedicated, choose the path
Guess what - been there done that. X10 You speak on a life that is not your own, Your words are hollow and tinted. My life is not what you think life is. You CANNOT know.

This is about a teacher acting upon her own judgement at the spur of the moment to keep a class interesting.

Who cares what happens - besides those directly involved

To explain why I think I would care about what happens in a class room I would like to pull a comment that I made earlier to digital.

Some of the students in that class could have been as young as twelve, not to mention that these students could have had friends as young as ten. We need to keep in mind that students at this age are extremely vunerable, they are making their first transitions into adulthood. Changes are happening physically, emotionally, socially, and spiritually. Events tha[b]...

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This is about a teacher acting upon her own judgement at the spur of the moment to keep a class interesting.

Who cares what happens - besides those directly involved

To explain why I think I would care about what happens in a class room I would like to pull a comment that I made earlier to digital.

Some of the students in that class could have been as young as twelve, not to mention that these students could have had friends as young as ten. We need to keep in mind that students at this age are extremely vunerable, they are making their first transitions into adulthood. Changes are happening physically, emotionally, socially, and spiritually. Events that take place during this time can very much determine the type of person they will become. Which is why it makes perfect since to me why a parent who has their child's best interest at heart would want to control the information that they are receiving from a school teacher.

Since the events that take place in a classroom, and the things teachers say to their students, have a profound influence on the type of person they could become, I believe that is why I would care. I personally wouldn't want my child to become my reincarnation or something. To me it's the difference between a child being strung out on drugs and living as a prostitute and living a happy life with a good job and a family to love. I personally don't have any children right now, so I certainly am not trying to lecture you or anyone else on how to raise your children, just so you know. I'm actually only 19. I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who is still fairly young.

The difference between us i think is that you are looking at it based on an opinion, and based on emotion. I'm looking at it from the stand point of whether or not she broke the law. The teacher was an authority figure. Authority figures are held to a high standard, and should be. Why do you think politicians are the only ones who get fired for cheating on their wives? If the school and the local community made rules and laws to guide the sex ed class for the protection of the students, it was her duty to abide by those rules and laws. They are there for a reason. In fact, it's probably rules like these that keep teachers from demonstrating it in the class room, as you aptly put it earlier. ...

The difference between us i think is that you are looking at it based on an opinion, and based on emotion. I'm looking at it from the stand point of whether or not she broke the law. The teacher was an authority figure. Authority figures are held to a high standard, and should be. Why do you think politicians are the only ones who get fired for cheating on their wives? If the school and the local community made rules and laws to guide the sex ed class for the protection of the students, it was her duty to abide by those rules and laws. They are there for a reason. In fact, it's probably rules like these that keep teachers from demonstrating it in the class room, as you aptly put it earlier. If you let her get away with this, what's to keep another teacher from molesting a child? I've given my opinion, which is that if parents care about their children so much then why are they letting someone they don't even know teach them about sex?? why aren't they taking that responsibility??

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(BBC) Sick Let me see if I got this right: Hot teacher/young boy is okay. Hot teacher/young girl is rare, but okay. Male teacher/young girl not okay. But where do we stand on male teacher/young boy again? (107)
Thu January 31, 2008: Main (score 1.7366)
(Examiner) Hero Not news: Another teacher has sex with a student News: After student teacher sex teacher drops student off in front of house Fark: Mother chases teacher in car until he crashes (tag is for Mom) (118)
Thu April 03, 2008: Main (score 1.5040)
(Some Guy) Interesting Six-year-old in trouble for saying his teacher is a "hottie," asking if teachers s...

[quote="Fark search on "TEACHER""]Wed September 12, 2007: Main (score 1.7366)
(BBC) Sick Let me see if I got this right: Hot teacher/young boy is okay. Hot teacher/young girl is rare, but okay. Male teacher/young girl not okay. But where do we stand on male teacher/young boy again? (107)
Thu January 31, 2008: Main (score 1.7366)
(Examiner) Hero Not news: Another teacher has sex with a student News: After student teacher sex teacher drops student off in front of house Fark: Mother chases teacher in car until he crashes (tag is for Mom) (118)
Thu April 03, 2008: Main (score 1.5040)
(Some Guy) Interesting Six-year-old in trouble for saying his teacher is a "hottie," asking if teachers slept together, and saying that a classmate of his liked looking at the teacher's "butt." Bonus: he's the son of a preacher man (141)
Mon November 27, 2006: Main (score 1.5040)
(Canada.com) Asinine You post YouTube video of your teacher's screaming outburst. Does the school board a) suspend teacher, b) fire teacher, or c) suspend you, ban cell phones, and get YouTube to yank video. This is Fark, so you know the answer (209)
Sat April 07, 2007: Main (score 1.5040)
(The Sun) Asinine Lesbian teacher wins £20,000 compensation after being told she couldn’t have paternity leave, while a teacher who was raped by a 12-year-old pupil received just £11,000. Good job, National Union of Teachers (116)
Mon August 27, 2007: Main (score 1.5040)
(ABC News) Interesting Teacher upset when student posts YouTube video of her set to "Hot For Teacher" (with pic of said hot teacher) (245)
Tue October 16, 2007: Main (score 1.5040)
(Denver Channel) Strange Student mistypes email address of teacher she's having affair with, recipient calls police, teacher gets arrested, student's parents post teacher's bond

Thu November 15, 2007: Main (score 1.5040)
(WXII12.com) Scary Teacher lives out every other teacher's fantasy; slams the door in the face of one of his students which sparks a fistfight between the two. Bonus: The teacher taught a conflict resolution class (99)
Wed February 27, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(CBS New York) Amusing Girl ignites her science teacher's ponytail, gets herself charged criminally and expelled. Now we can turn our focus to what's really important -- the science teacher was a GUY (248)
Wed February 27, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(Kansas.com) Dumbass Today's teacher on student sex brought to you by Buhler, Kansas. Bonus: she's a foreign exchange student. Doub...

Thu November 15, 2007: Main (score 1.5040)
(WXII12.com) Scary Teacher lives out every other teacher's fantasy; slams the door in the face of one of his students which sparks a fistfight between the two. Bonus: The teacher taught a conflict resolution class (99)
Wed February 27, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(CBS New York) Amusing Girl ignites her science teacher's ponytail, gets herself charged criminally and expelled. Now we can turn our focus to what's really important -- the science teacher was a GUY (248)
Wed February 27, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(Kansas.com) Dumbass Today's teacher on student sex brought to you by Buhler, Kansas. Bonus: she's a foreign exchange student. Double bonus: he's the second Buhler High teacher to be busted this year (with hittable pic) (217)
Wed February 27, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(Breitbart.tv) Spiffy You're a mom whose child is complaining his teacher is mean. You C) Bug your kid's backpack and record the teacher saying "You are all stupid kids" (187)
Sat March 15, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(KNXV) Obvious Attorney for 27-year old female teacher who pleaded guilty to farking a 16-year old boy says "Everyplace she goes, people are touched by her tenderness, love and caring." Her victim agrees (w/hot for teacher photo) (149)
Wed March 26, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(KNBC) Followup Three female teachers arrested for having sex with students. Instant teacher-sex trifecta complete (with pics) (275)
Thu April 24, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(KNBC) Dumbass Old and busted: Hittable teacher sex scandal. New hotness: Hittable teacher cocaine scandal

Thu April 24, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(International Herald Tribune) Sad Teachers strike closes British schools as teachers protest over pay, economy, lack of hot students (42)
Mon April 28, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(ABC Action News) Florida In an unprecedented move, a Florida teacher has completed her own teacher/student sex trifecta in less than a month (219)
Wed April 25, 2001: Main (score 1.2280)
(Detroit Free Press) Obvious Students rally for teacher, takes them to Hooters, teacher gets fired. (27)
Wed January 30, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(The Scotsman) Obvious Teacher in UK sex scandel says back home in Canada, it's common for students to go to teachers' houses fo...

Thu April 24, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(International Herald Tribune) Sad Teachers strike closes British schools as teachers protest over pay, economy, lack of hot students (42)
Mon April 28, 2008: Main (score 1.2280)
(ABC Action News) Florida In an unprecedented move, a Florida teacher has completed her own teacher/student sex trifecta in less than a month (219)
Wed April 25, 2001: Main (score 1.2280)
(Detroit Free Press) Obvious Students rally for teacher, takes them to Hooters, teacher gets fired. (27)
Wed January 30, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(The Scotsman) Obvious Teacher in UK sex scandel says back home in Canada, it's common for students to go to teachers' houses for dinner parties and hot tubs. (102)
Thu March 21, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(via Overlawyered.com) Ironic If zero tolerance is good for students, why isn't it good for teachers? Because the teachers have a stronger union. (64)
Thu July 25, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(sify.com) Amusing Students run for cover as two teachers get into brawl over female teacher (46)
Wed September 18, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(Some cannibal) Unlikely Journalist interviews Nigerian teacher, teacher bites off journalist's eyebrow and swallows it (45)
Thu September 19, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(Canada.com) Hero Teacher sexually assaults student, twenty years later student becomes a cop and busts teacher for molesting her (74)
Tue December 24, 2002: Main (score 1.2280)
(Some Guy) Interesting NASA to send teacher to space next year. Guess she's not a history teacher (69)
Sun June 15, 2003: Main (score 1.2280)
(News.com.au) Weird Kid bites teacher -- teacher bites kid. Parents glad kid didn't soil himself (48)
Wed November 12, 2003: Main (score 1.2280)
(Brenham Banner) Spiffy School teacher, 28, discovered at her residence with lots of beer cans, pornographic material on display, seven minors ranging in ages 14 to 19, and "Hot For Teacher" playing in the background (215)

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